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TI Keyboard: More Information Released
Posted by Eric on 16 June 2002, 08:40 GMT

TI has finally released new information on something that should have come out many years ago, the TI Keyboard. The keyboard, which runs on 3 AAA batteries and contains many nifty features such as compatibility with Microsoft Word, will be available in the fall.

 


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backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
wilson ng  Account Info
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This is off topic, but....

Did anyone get hit with "backdoor.sdbot" trojan horse virus through the (IRC)?

I found 5 of them in my windows/system folder when I did a full system scan with norton yesterday....
Some basic info:
Discovered on: April 30, 2002
Last Updated on: June 12, 2002 10:52:15 AM PDT
Backdoor.Sdbot is a server component (bot) that is distributed by a hacker over IRC channels. It allows a hacker to perform a wide variety of actions on the compromised computer.
The Trojan arrives in the form of a Portable Executable (PE) file. When it is run, it copies itself to the %System% folder as Cnfgldr.exe.
NOTE: %System% is a variable. The Trojan locates the \Windows\System folder (by default this is C:\Windows\System or C:\Winnt\System32), and then copies itself to that location.
Backdoor.Sdbot contains its own Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client. This allows it to connect to an IRC channel that was coded into the Trojan. Using the IRC channel, the Trojan listens for commands from the hacker. The hacker accesses the Trojan by using a password-protected authorization.

     20 June 2002, 23:52 GMT


Re: backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
lsvllhs15

I heard having the MegaMan86 zip file on your computer protects it from all viruses. You should have downloaded it

     21 June 2002, 02:01 GMT

Re: Re: backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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This just confirmed your utter stupidity.

     21 June 2002, 03:55 GMT

Re: Re: Re: backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
lsvllhs15

litc!

     21 June 2002, 04:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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fah q!

     23 June 2002, 20:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
Morgan  Account Info
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Weren't you just correcting that annoying guy on how to properly use the word "You're" and "Your." Check your usage man!

Oh, by the way I am by no way trying to stick up for that rageing idiot... I am sure you all know who I am talking about.

     23 June 2002, 06:47 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
Chickendude  Account Info
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he used them correctly.

     23 June 2002, 14:00 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Um... he did use it correctly.

     23 June 2002, 20:45 GMT


Re: Re: backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
rmohr02 Account Info
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I just downloaded it--if I do get a virus, well, I'll see you in court.

     24 June 2002, 03:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: backdoor.sdbot (IRC)
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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ME TOO!

     24 June 2002, 19:54 GMT

Re: TI Keyboard: More Information Released
wilson ng  Account Info
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This is off topic, but this is for all those TI-86 owners that want to get more games on their calculator.
I have ported 47 asm games to the 86 and they are on pending right now. These games are smaller than the version in the 86/asm/games section by "TWO HUNDRED TO TWO THOUSAND" BYTES!!!

Some famous asm games ported to the TI-86:

Only 629 bytes compared to the other avalanche (1861 bytes)!
Only 3881 bytes compared to the other blockdude (3959 bytes)
Only 732 bytes compared to falldown v2.1 (3939 bytes) and v1.4 (1111 bytes) by aaron curtis!
Only 2500 bytes compared to FrAWgGuts v1.3 (3044 bytes) by sam heald!
Only 2124 bytes compared to subhunt v1.3 (2302 bytes) by sam heald!
Only 6033 bytes compared to tetris atack v1.1 (6260 bytes)!
Only 1491 bytes compared to DStar v1.0 (1525)!
Only 7173 bytes compared to Crates 3D v1.0 (7507 bytes)!
Only 2473 bytes compared to DuckHunt v1.5 (3189 bytes)!
Only 3337 bytes compared to Centipede v1.0 (3460 bytes)!
Only 6598 bytes compared to Elements v1.0 (6730 bytes)!
Only 2115 bytes compared to Insane Game v2.71 Beta 2 (2758 bytes)!
Only 614 bytes compared to Square Fill v1.0 (2156 bytes)!
Only 10276 bytes compared to Lotus Turbo Challenge v1.1 (11410)!
Only 1523 bytes compared to The Mad Bomber v0.0 (2335 bytes)!
Only 2576 bytes compared to Yoshi v0.9 (3309 bytes)!


     21 June 2002, 01:57 GMT

Re: Re: TI Keyboard: More Information Released
lsvllhs15

are any of those games per chance a MegaMan game?

     21 June 2002, 02:39 GMT

Re: Re: Re: TI Keyboard: More Information Released
Chickendude  Account Info
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hehe

     21 June 2002, 17:21 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI Keyboard: More Information Released
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Only if you ƒå®†¡

     23 June 2002, 20:46 GMT


Re: Re: TI Keyboard: More Information Released
Morgan  Account Info
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So, did you just use "lite86" on them or did you actually optimize them by hand?

     23 June 2002, 07:12 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI Keyboard: More Information Released
wilson ng  Account Info
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I used some converter included in the ion86 package by clem vassear. This converter lets you change some of the 83 ion games around into strings for the TI-86 that work on the shell, Ion86 and IShell.

The strings have almost the same size in bytes compared to the 83 ion version.

By the way, I didn't use Lite86.

     24 June 2002, 07:14 GMT

Re: TI Keyboard: More Information Released
lsvllhs15

The ti keyboard is a dumb idea and a waste of money.

     21 June 2002, 04:19 GMT

TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
Big_O  Account Info

I am getting fed up with this community.
TI has not stolen ideas. This is like saying the following.

Two people live on remote islands. One man decides it would be nice to think up the wheel. He builds it and has his wheel. The man on the other island thinks up the wheel and makes his own. After years, the two meet and upon seeing the other man's wheel, claims that the other stole his idea.

Do you not see this?
TI realized that students may want to key in notes. The 92+ had a keyboard, but it was not standard in size and it's keyboard prevented use on exams. Thus, this was developed.

It's not a waste. People DO take notes. Many students know how to type and would find it benefitial to be able to type in their notes. Many people have asked me if I can print them off mine. I used methods with my first 92 to transfer notes to Word and print them. This will make it easier for those who program BASIC directly onto their calculators.

     21 June 2002, 06:15 GMT

Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
benryves Account Info
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Yes,I take notes on my TI-83 Plus (using the Calander app from Detached Solutions).
I think that the keyboard is a good idea indeed.
However, if it were to be integrated with the TI-OS on an 83+, that would be even better. (I know, the 83+ uses tokens for things like 'sin('- but a rewrite of the OS could fix that).

But why does a 92+ and the Voyage200 need another QWERTY keyboard? They've already got one!

     21 June 2002, 08:41 GMT


Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
Torael  Account Info

I use the QWERTY app for note-taking...serious notes, I mean, like in class. I use a different program for quick notes about homework and stuff...

     21 June 2002, 09:15 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
benryves Account Info
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I sometimes use QWERTY, but I do get odd looks from my teacher... (What sort of looks would I get if I used the keyboard in its stand? The ultimate nerd accessory...)

     21 June 2002, 11:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
rmohr02 Account Info
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I disagree--look at the link for more geek accessories.

     23 June 2002, 01:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Like a w00t! T-SHIRT! YEAH!

     23 June 2002, 20:48 GMT

Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
lsvllhs15

ok genious.
1) I didn't say the keyboard was copying anyone. I said it was stupid
2) Thats a terrible example because ti is not isolated from everyone else and could have very easily seen the other keyboards and said "ooh lets make one to!"

     21 June 2002, 17:02 GMT

Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
Torael  Account Info

okay moron, he never SAID that you said the keyboard was copying someone, that was actually Michael Vincent. I think. And you know what? I've got two things. No, make that three. Here's the list.
1. Shut
2. UP!
3. A good solid beating

     21 June 2002, 19:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
lsvllhs15

if he was replying to michael vincent, then why did he reply to my comment?

     21 June 2002, 19:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
Michael Vincent  Account Info
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You don't understand the circumstances, after the initial design for the 86-only was developed, Cullen Logan was contacted by TI because they were interested in his hardware designs...That ended with nothing for him, but we have good reasons to believe that development of the TI Keyboard only began after our driver for the 83+ SE was released...

     22 June 2002, 23:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
rmohr02 Account Info
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But you guys are non-profit and can't afford a patent--so TI has a *right* to steal your idea. I'm sorry--I think you guys should at least get some mention from TI.

     23 June 2002, 01:29 GMT


Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
wilson ng  Account Info
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Screw the keyboards!!!!!

We need external memory cards that work for all calculators!!!!!

Anyway, texas instruments can probably make a bigger profit from selling memory cards instead of those keyboards...

     22 June 2002, 00:50 GMT


Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
rmohr02 Account Info
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Also, the people who first came up with this idea, AND released the idea to the public (I can't think of who they are right now, but I've seen this) didn't patent it, so TI is well within their rights to steal the idea.

     23 June 2002, 01:26 GMT


Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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Legally, TI can use the idea. However, the fact remains that they did not originally come up with the idea, which means that they stole it from the people that first came up with it.

     23 June 2002, 04:02 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
Chickendude  Account Info
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What about th 86+? They didn't come up with the idea, so they would be stealing our ideas.

     23 June 2002, 14:06 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TI IS NOT ripping people's ideas.
rmohr02 Account Info
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A patent is a right to sell a particular invention or implement a particular idea for 20 years without anyone else being able to use that invention or idea w/o paying that owner of the patent royalties. TI probably has a patent on graphing calculators with flash technology. Google has a patent on a search engine that indexes links around the web to produce results. There are many other examples. So, unless DS patented the keyboard idea, it can be stolen from them--legally. In fact, they never really "owned" it.

As for a TI-86+, TI's aforementioned patent would be in effect--patents aren't extremely specific (usually one or two sentences--but if they're too general they get rejected), so the patent that secured the right to make the 73, 83+(SE), 89, 92+, and V200PLT would work for the hypotheticaly 86+.

Note: the preceding paragraph is based on the assumption that TI has a patent on flash technology in calculators. If someone finds that they don't, buy the patent and charge TI royalties until they make an 86+.

Also, patents only last 20 years, so inventions like the telephone can be made by many companies now, not just former Bells.

     24 June 2002, 03:52 GMT


Re: Re: TI Keyboard: More Information Released
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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you smell like p00p!

     23 June 2002, 20:46 GMT

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