'Tis cool

All the more reason to get an 89, eh Nick?

Anybody else pissed as hell that they can't use the additional memory? I was really looking forward to being able to put all of the streetfighters on my calculator. I'm not even going to upgrade to this version unless someone gives me a real reason. I'll see if the programs get maimed to work with it or not first.

Heh, streetfighters on ams v2.03? Try to get a 9k version of PONG to work first. Extra memory is useless, nothing to put in it that works.

well, I assumed that the code could be cracked fairly quickly so that the old games would work. It's really horrible that asm can't be larger than 8k. By the way, Has that been confirmed? Ti's site previuosly said that AMS version 2.00 would be released in fall and that it WOULD EXPAND THE USER-DATA ARCHIVE TO 702K OF MEMORY, AS WELL AS THE 188K OF USER-AVAILABLE RAM. Isn't that illegel for them to claim, since it doesn't do that on my hardware version 1 calculator? I'm mad, and I'm gonna send them hundreds of e-mails about that.

actually, if you click on an info link about the 89, you can see that they state that "some calculators" won't achieve full use of the archives

I think It's pretty certain that those "some calculators" are the ones with hardware version 1, as was the case with AMS 2.01.

Damn. My TI-89 HW1 calculator can only use about 50% of the user archive? That sucks...

Actually i tested the archive mem last night and it seems like somewhere around 200k is unusable... Around 25% not used... still what we can use is good enough for me..

I thought HW1 can only use ~384k of the total ~700k user archive? Seems closer to 50% than 25%...

Is there a way I can find out what hardware version I have? if I have 1, what's the cheapest way to upgrade to 2? Make my own parts and put 4MB ROM and 1MB RAM in it with a 480x256-pixel 256-grayscale display? I have a 92+ currently with 1.01 so I can play games. I'm not permanently upgrading until I can run the ASM games on 2.03 or newer.

You can find out your hardware version by looking at the about screen that shows which AMS version you have. If the words "Hardware version v2.00" do not show up, then you have HW1.

But since your TI-92 Plus is AMS 1.01, it must be HW1.

then is there a chance that any programmer might be able to write a work-around so I can use the full 702kB?

Also, I have a couple ideas for fake news items (considering I haven't seen any in a while)

Most likely not, TI will need to fix that problem.

But you can use the full 700kb of memory, you just can't use all of it for data archive. More than half of it must be used for Flash ROM apps ONLY.

If you bought your TI-92+ as a TI-92+ and not as a TI-92 with a plus module upgrade, then I am pretty sure that you have Hardware Version 2. If you have AMS1.01, then perhaps this .01 is to support HW2.
IF I am correct, this is what is up:
AMS1.00 on TI-89 HW1s and TI-92 /w plus module (??)
AMS1.01 on TI-92+ HW2s (?) no TI-89s (??)
AMS1.05 on TI-89 HW2s and can upgrade HW1s and HW2s
AMS2.01 the prerelease thing that "wasn't made by TI." can upgrade HW1 and HW2
AMS2.03 the actual TI release of AMS2. On New TI-89 HW2s and TI-92+ HW2s (presumably) can upgrade all HW1 and HW2s

Somebody please correct me if Im wrong.

I got the 92, then got the plus module later

They lied. It's not illegal.

are you sure it's not illegal? Their post is false advertising for their product. Anyone want to confirm that it actually is the hardware version 1 calculators that don't get the memory, and not just a couple of freak ones?

I have 2 HW 1.00, and 1 HW 2.00 calc, the 1.00 calcs only have the 384k of archive whereas the HW 2 calc has 650K of archive. Of course the HW 2 calc cant play ASM games (the Kernel 0.6 doesn't work) and the grayscale does not work either. TI really pulled a fast one on use "early adopters" of TI-89's by screwing with our memory, and not letting us access that sweet 720k of FlashROM they promised.

Not only did they pull a fast one on the early buyers, but they pulled an even faster one on the new buyers since they can't play games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(

My calculator seems to have 720K. At least, the memory section says so. Can't run any ASM games. Basic games work fine--of course.

Your's is probably hardware v2.00...

It's not really TI's fault that their new OS doesn't run "our" games, which are basically a hack of their OS/ROM.

How are they a hack...85 asm programs are a hack...but 83,86,89 have built-in asm support.

But assembly programs on the TI-89 don't exactly use TI's method. Same thing on the TI-83. It's not a "hack" like the TI-85, but its different than using TI's method, such as the Asm( function on the TI-86.

actually, if you read the BASIC art of ASHELL, it says "ASM(:::::::::" in it, which is basically, repeat, basically the same as typing ASM(. it just uses a shell to do it in, which makes it easier to navigate to find the program you want to run.
And besides that, TI didn't specify a "method" to run ASM program on the 89 except folder\filename().

Exactly, TI has not specified a way to run 89 assembly programs yet. That's what their SDK is for, which isn't out yet. :)

So what's the Exec( command for?

they did NOT sell the calculator as a game machine
they did NOT sell the calculator on the fact that one year later you will be able to upgrade and get more achive memory.
the calculator does everything it said it would when you bought it, so stop your whining.

That's funny, because I returned my HW 1.00 '89 so I could get 2.00. I'm more interested in the calculators future than the current games, and besides, it was built for math wasn't it? It'll just take time. Maybe I'll catch on to m68k faster than z80. Has anyone clock tested the HW 2 calcs? I betcha they really do run @ 12MHz. The m68k can run faster than what TI set them at originally, the z80 could have run @ 14MHz but TI chose to run it slower. Oh well, that's all for now.

Ron!

I don't think it falls under the false advertising thing. This claim wasn't printed on the boxes for the HW1 TI-89's or anything like that. TI simply said that the new AMS would have twice as much memory or whatever. Perhaps they came to some unexpected road-blocks and that prevented them from "fixing" the HW1 calculators. Who knows. The point is, they claimed this fact _before_ AMS 2.x was released. That's totally different. You can claim anything about your product before its released, because you can't get people to buy a false product before its out. But when it actually gets released, then its different I believe.

good. In that case, I'm now selling sponges at my website for a low-low price of $39.95. Within a month, I will release a chemical compound, free of charge, to the owners of these sponges. This compound will react with the sponge and transform it into gold. Act now, supplies are limited.
(please, no comments from freshmen in chemistry telling me that I can't turn something into gold.)

Hehe, yes, I see your point. But AFAIK, that isn't illegal to do. But I'm no expert in such laws, so I could be wrong.

You know the funniest thing? You _CAN_ say that. It turns out that you only have to make proper claims about the stuff people are actually buying; the things that you give away as promotions don't have to actually ever be met.

My parents once paid, I think, for a membership to a gym. They paid twice as much for a one year membership, but got 4 free years... After the year, the place went out of bussiness, and my parents couldn't do anything, because the extra 4 years were promotional.

What TI decides to release to us for free is their own choice... It could physically break our calcs for all it matters... with in realms of normal law... (Neglecting to tell us that all HW1 calcs will blow up using the software is negligence and illegal, but not saying that their software will do something, but it doesn't)

Hey Guys, look at this. From what I understand I have a version 1HW calculator (it shows no info on the hardware version in the about screen), yet once I loaded AMS 2.03 I have 702K of archivable memory. This shouldn't be happing right? I upgraded from 1.00 to 1.05 to now 2.03. So maybe I fooled it into thinking it was HW 2. The thing is once I throw so much stuff into memory, *poof* it reports as it should for a HW1 calc. Go figure....

The memory screen says so, but do getconfg() or whatever that function is (I'm not looking at my calculator right now). That's where it tells you how much actual memory there is. Or so I here - I tried out 2.01 and wasn't too impressed so I'm waiting until I get a reason to upgrade (no games is a huge negative for me).

Nick Chaves

I doubt that any assembly programs are going to work on 2.03 for a while anyway.

I hope that one guy (sorry I forgot your name) who wrote that program that changes assembly programs from 1.00 to 1.05 will make it compatable with this so people can get assembly working.

I'm trying... :)

Not sure whether it will be easily possible with this new ROM, at least not without DoorsOS/PlusShell being altered.