I can highly recommend the Update, because many Math-bugs are fixed. But the language localization (German) does not make sense, because most of the commands change and basic programms have to be rewritten.

I'm not sure, but I've heard somewhere that this problem is solved when you compile the program

May be. How can I compile basic programms for TI-89?

We should start a "Boycott AMS 2.XX and SDK" page. Everyone could fill out a petition and then we could all complain to TI about the Microsoft techniques the company is using.

actually it should be just a boycott of the sdk. programming and hacking will come in time but if we boycott the sdk then ti will know not to do this again.

I knew they were going to come out with new versions, that's why I wasn't a first buyer. I'm doing really good with my 83 in calculus and it has some good games. The only thing now is wait until Luly and I will get a Ti-89 with memory AND games and I will be happy!

I have a ti-89 hw version 1. if i returned it (its been less than a year since i have owned it), what are the chances ill get a HW version 2 one sent back?

(in an email, they said they do NOT send back your 1i-89, they send you a different one).

Rob

You mean return it to TI? They'd probably send back a HW2 version, AFAIK, because I'm sure they would like to get all the HW1's off the market if they could. They just don't want to have a free exchange program, that would cost them a lot of money.

Well, TI added Flash ROM to calculators (at least in part) to solve problems like this. People got upset before that they bought a TI-86 when it was only ROM 1.0 and now its ended up going to ROM 1.6 or something like that. They hyped it up so people thought that they didn't have to worry about buying a new calculator with potential bugs in it, beecause they could always flash the ROM and be fine...

And then TI goes and fixes the only thing the flash ROM can't fix, the hardware. That's why us HW1 users are upset.

Wouldn't the TI89's with hardware 1.00 get 384k PLUS 64k? "More Memory" did it...

i dont think ti had bad intentions. i believe it was just an honest mistake. if they really wanted to force programmers to buy their sdk and prevent this current asm programming, then why did they send me the ams 1.00 (yes, just email ti and they will send whatever ams version you need)...they sent it promptly too. i dont know, this is just my opinion, you have yours, i have mine.

I just read every comment and about 5 of them were of any use. I for one am glad TI developed a new release, and I like the new features and bug fixes. Statistics and a list editor (spreadsheet app?) will also be great (and free). If they were out to get TI89 owners TI would have stopped with v1.0 - eh? I bet if someone who knew what they were doing (Doors team? Rusty?) e-mailed TI they would give them all the new addresses. That would be a lot more constructive than everyone mailing 100 complaint letters each. Also, HW1 owners still have the full 700 odd k of archive memory, it's just not user archive, you can put the new statistics package in there, or the new 64k bundle some bright programmer will soon package (maybe Doors, memlib, basiclib, textrider, tetris, solitaire, and a couple others?). I personally think the ti89 could become a "Palm"-killer with some more programs like database/contacts/spreadsheet. The memory upgrade helps a lot.

HW1 users like myself have nothing to worry about, only something to look forward to. In a matter of weeks after the 83+ SDK was released, a third party game pack and a powerful assembly console. These, being FlashApps™, would not fall under the 300whatever k user archive limit. FlashApps™ will also be coded more efficiently with the proper information and calls provided with the SDK. Plus, you can compile C programs... If you would rather sell your soul to Beelzebub than give up your games, then for God sake don't upgrade yet. All I'm saying is that, instead of pissing at TI, we should wait until the SDK is released and peace is restored... That's all, folks - DL

I upgraded today to 2.03. Aside from the fact that games don't run, I think it has some pretty good features. Now, I did find one ASM program that somewhat works. "writestr" The only problem is that if you use it place something on the graph screen, then use it AGAIN, the previous one will disappear. I think this is because of ROM calls. (NOTE: I am no ASM programmer. I know almost nothing about ASM code. The only things in ASM I have ever touched is changing the sprites in Phoenix. Other than that, I almost know squat.) Also, it required on kernel or shell. Could this be one program that may be easier to convert than the games that are currently out? All that I have on my calc right now are a whole lot of BASIC games that I have converted from the 82/83 calcs. (I convert them when I have nothing to do. Go ahead, say I have no life! See if I care!) I thank the TI community for it's time and hope that they can find a loophole of some sort around this ROM. Now I will sign out. So long! ('Till next time, that is!)

I don't think that AMS 2.03 has so many new features. However, I read somewhere that it would be faster by 30%. I decided to test it.
------With ROM 1.05 -----
- (randmat(8,8))^-1, which inverts a random 8x8 matrix takes 16 s.
- A little program that computes the fibonacci sequence : fib(100) takes 10s.
------ With ROM 2.03 -------
- exactly the same time for the matrix.
- fib(100) takes 26s, that is 160% more time ! AMS 2.03 IS SLOWER !!!
I realized the test in the same conditions (maximum of free ram, calc almost empty, etc.) If someone has more information about any improvements of speed, please let us know

warrior

I never read anywhere that the rom is faster, but I've noticed that it seems to run noticably slower. My dice roller program takes a noticeably longer time in this rom version.

I am pissed off. I gave my calc to a kid with a graphlink and told him to upgrade the source. I did not know about the source upgrade on thursday and gave him my calc. now i cant use my asm stuff. (My graph-link works, but i popped a pin off my I/O serial port.)
P.S. To preempt any sarcastic comments, i get my games from someone else with a ti-89.

I got my TI-89

Geez, sorry about the last comment... I feel like such an idiot... Anyways.... I got my TI-89 back in August, I guess right before HW 2.00 came out. Whats the difference between HW 1 and HW 2? Is one better than the other? Should I trade mine in for a 2? Once again, sorry about that last post....

You know, the TI-89 is a very advanced calculator, that has many good uses, including Statistics, Differential Equations, Advanced Calculus, and even Geometry with the soon-to-be-released Cabri Geometry application. I do not think Texas Instruments created the calculator for games. The benefits of ASM 2.03 outweigh the disadvantages.

Okay... this is kind of weird to say...

When you upgrade a HW 1 calculator to AMS version 2.03, it cannot use the full 702k of Flash ROM for user archive space. It can use about half of it for that storage of variables, and (I think) all of it can be used for the storage of Flash applications. A HW 2 TI-89, however, is capable of using that 702k user archive for whatever you want.

A HW 2 TI-89, though, cannot use the AMS version 1.00 (but it can be downgraded to AMS 1.05). (Actually, I've heard things about the HW 2 calculators not being able to run games that use grayscale graphics at all, but... I don't know.) So a HW 1 calculator is better for games, but, in my opinion anyhow, it would be better to have a HW 2 calc for the more versatile use of memory.

Just for the record, I have a HW 1... and am trying to find out if it would be possible to trade it in with TI for a HW 2 calculator. Could anyone tell me if s/he finds out anything about trading in an old HW 1 calculator for one of the new HW 2's?