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The Quality of Our Archives
Posted by Michael on 4 March 2004, 22:29 GMT

You may have noticed the low numbers of new files added to our archives. We're having a debate about what to do with a growing problem: Programs that simply aren't very useful to anyone. There are more quadratic solvers in our archives than should ever exist, notwithstanding the fact that most models have this as a built-in feature. Our possible solutions are:

Currently, all files that meet the site policies are processed and uploaded to our archives. Since this doesn't seem to be working well, here are the ideas under consideration:

  • The file archivers could manually screen programs for those deemed "junk", in the sense that they lower the signal-to-noise ratio of our archives rather than increase it. Authors would have to e-mail an appeal for rejected programs. This would cause a longer waiting time for processing files.
  • We could implement a rating system and organize programs by rating. This allows all programs to remain on the site, but the most useless could be filtered out. A method of dealing with new programs and low/high numbers of votes would have to be developed.
  • Our current folder system stops at games, programs, math, et cetera. For ease of browsing, this could be expanded to sub-categories like games/board, games/shooter, and games/guessthenumber. This doesn't limit the number of files added, it only categorizes them so folders are more concise and relevant.
  • Lastly, we could just leave everything as it is now.

We're asking for your input on what to do. There is a survey posted in conjunction with this article where you can vote on this issue. Thank you.

Update (Archiver): We will not be deleting files (at least not this time around), that was never one of the options. If you do want some of your programs deleted e-mail filearchive@ticalc.org.

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Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Yan Zhuang  Account Info

Even though it would take longer time, I suggest for the file archivers to manually screen programs for useless content. I am so sick of programs that do nothing but say "Hello I am Bob."

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:35 GMT

Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Konrad Meyer  Account Info
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I've never seen one of those. What was it called?

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Lewk  Account Info

Yeah, I have been looking for that program. :)

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:57 GMT


Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
molybdenum  Account Info

Or: "This is my first asm program, it only displays 'q', but soon I will be on to better things!!!" Who cares? We don't need to know. Another one I hated was when someone took the entire asmguru tic-tac-toe code and labeled it as their own. I have serious doubts that a program with such an optimized alogorithim is someone's first, but I could be wrong...

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 00:06 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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That's whywe have the report inappropriate file form...feel free to use it.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 12:06 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Ben Cherry  Account Info
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Is that kind of program considered inappropriate by the site policies? It seems to not be directly mentioned in the policies.

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 05:56 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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A program that just displays "q" is in my mind worth deleting. Ether way it doesn;t really matter, if you think it either against site policies and or is absolutely without a doubt completely and utterly useless, then fill out the form saying it is crap and I will take a took at it.

Just be warned that it has to be around the quality as previously mentioned to be removed.

And if anyone sees anymore of these fake garbage collecting programs around, please tell me I love deleting those thingies...actually anything "fake." :-)

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 04:14 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
jrock7286  Account Info

Actually, I think he was referring to "stealing" the other person's code and labeling it as their own...is that explicitly against the policies?

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 05:45 GMT


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Morgan Davies  Account Info
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Yes, but please send in a link to the file it is staeling it's code from, and it also has to be a BIG chunk of code too, nothing like a small routine or something.

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 06:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
BlackThunder  Account Info
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What if it mentions the author of the file they're stealing code from in "Special Thanks"?

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 20:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Ben Cherry  Account Info
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LOL!

"Special thanks to:
[insert good programmer here] for writing this program!
And the guy who invented cut and paste!"

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 22:52 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Chivo  Account Info

What are you guys talking about?! I LOVE that "q" program! I use it whenever I want to print a "q" on my calculator! (j/k) :-P

Reply to this comment    8 March 2004, 02:50 GMT

SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
NEO3.14  Account Info

If we could break down folders such as "Games", or "Math" into smaller files, it would make life so much easer! We would still have the crap, but it would be right next to other programs like it that might be better. Rejecting programs is NOT the answer! Beginning programmers might not have the most original programs, but they need the exposure! This is what allows young programmers to flourish into the great programmers of the future! How many programmers out there have not made a "Hello World" program? Very few. Give young programmers a chance! Also, options are great. Maybe I don't want a program that can do the quadratic equation AND wipe my butt, because it takes up too much memory. We need the options! Keep the junk, but break it down so we can find alternatives and give young programmers a chance!

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:41 GMT

Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
TheGreatOne Account Info

I agree, we need to subcatagorize the files but we need to do it with ratings AND deletion. Once those early programmers mature and get better at programming then we can get rid of their useless old crap. Better yet, the authors can have an option to delete their own junk without having to go through all this stuff. If they don't, then there's one of my posts above this that describes deletion procedures.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 00:35 GMT

SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
NEO3.14  Account Info

The problem with that is young programmers will get discouraged. Don't reject the younger generation of programmers as you once were. Something great might one day come out of a young kid who was spured on by the fact that he or she got something on the internet. I do agree with the need for a ratings system. And one with more than, "Good", "Bad", or "Worse." We need a ratings system with great detail that can be analyzed instantly. And not just one person should decide if a program sucks or not. The greater sample size the better.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 02:13 GMT


Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
Nick_S  Account Info

no it would have been
"The Good... The Bad... The Ugly..."

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 23:38 GMT


Re: Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
sancho  Account Info
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The idea of the author deleting its own junk is very good I think it would be cool if you could manage any file that has been already accepted and uploaded as you wish

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 16:59 GMT


Re: Re: Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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The concept of deleting your own files is already implemented...

just e-mail filearchive@ticalc.org

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 19:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
Lewk  Account Info

Or you could just complain that your own file is innapropraite.

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 14:35 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
BlackThunder  Account Info
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Lol. That's a good idea.

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 20:41 GMT

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burntfuse  Account Info

Deleting pointless progs won't necesarily discourage beginning programmers. I've written "hello world" progs myself when I was starting, BUT I DIDN'T UPLOAD THEM!!! Beginning programmers need to create "test progs" like that, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T UPLOAD THEM TO THE ARCHIVES, BECAUSE THEY'RE NO USE TO ANYONE ELSE!!!!

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 15:27 GMT


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BlackThunder  Account Info
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Yep. I've written a lot of useful programs, but I've never uploaded them. 'Course, many people have different definitions of "useful".

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 20:42 GMT


Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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>How many programmers out there have not made a "Hello World" program?

None, evidentally. Click the link.

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 17:41 GMT


Re: Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
BlackThunder  Account Info
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What? Rusty himself uploaded a Hello World program? THIS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING I THOUGHT HE BELIEVED IN!!!

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 20:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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To be fair, it WAS in 1998...

Reply to this comment    8 March 2004, 03:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: SUBCATEGORIZATION IS THE ANSWER!!
Ben Cherry  Account Info
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wow, thats like the stone age. That was when hello world was all they could do. ;)

Reply to this comment    8 March 2004, 04:49 GMT

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