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The Quality of Our Archives
Posted by Michael on 4 March 2004, 22:29 GMT

You may have noticed the low numbers of new files added to our archives. We're having a debate about what to do with a growing problem: Programs that simply aren't very useful to anyone. There are more quadratic solvers in our archives than should ever exist, notwithstanding the fact that most models have this as a built-in feature. Our possible solutions are:

Currently, all files that meet the site policies are processed and uploaded to our archives. Since this doesn't seem to be working well, here are the ideas under consideration:

  • The file archivers could manually screen programs for those deemed "junk", in the sense that they lower the signal-to-noise ratio of our archives rather than increase it. Authors would have to e-mail an appeal for rejected programs. This would cause a longer waiting time for processing files.
  • We could implement a rating system and organize programs by rating. This allows all programs to remain on the site, but the most useless could be filtered out. A method of dealing with new programs and low/high numbers of votes would have to be developed.
  • Our current folder system stops at games, programs, math, et cetera. For ease of browsing, this could be expanded to sub-categories like games/board, games/shooter, and games/guessthenumber. This doesn't limit the number of files added, it only categorizes them so folders are more concise and relevant.
  • Lastly, we could just leave everything as it is now.

We're asking for your input on what to do. There is a survey posted in conjunction with this article where you can vote on this issue. Thank you.

Update (Archiver): We will not be deleting files (at least not this time around), that was never one of the options. If you do want some of your programs deleted e-mail filearchive@ticalc.org.

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Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Domi Alex  Account Info
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They are so many authors that post literally CRAP, and double their files instead of putting everything in one single zip.
Cought!kermCought! Sorry. It's cold out there.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 17:27 GMT

Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
KermMartian Account Info
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*Cough*At least capitalize my name, and I'm not the only one*cough* hmm, it seems to be catching...

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 20:56 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Lewk  Account Info

oh whoops sorry kerm martian, my shift key seems to be broken. i must agree tht you upload a bunch of crap.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 23:31 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Ben Cherry  Account Info
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Come on, lets not bash on Kerm because he doesnt upload a lot of really good programs. There is nothing wrong with what he does. Maybe Kerm should get his files reorganized to make you people happy and stop attacking him.

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 06:13 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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I feel it is my duty to point out that he has sent in a couple e-mail submission to me stating some programs that he would like removed...

Yes, he could reduce his programin half if he grouped them, but he has the right to do it his way too. I give Kerm props for being creative. I certainly couldn't think of some of the programs he has made....

Plus he has a featured file now, you can never bash on a featured author :-), not until you are one of course!

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 06:46 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
KermMartian Account Info
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Good call! ;-)

Reply to this comment    8 March 2004, 14:59 GMT

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burntfuse  Account Info

Hey, the point of this article is NOT to flame Kerm. >:O

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 14:16 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

There's nothing wrong with uploading simple routines for beginners to use.

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 06:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Lewk Account Info

He should group all of them so that the beginners have an easier time finding them.

Reply to this comment    12 March 2004, 04:51 GMT


Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
rich_ambassador  Account Info

Hey his OfficeDE for the ti-83P is pretty damn good for a Basic prog. Its also a free spreadsheet (and some other stuff), whether its in basic or not.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 22:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
KermMartian Account Info
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Thank you! Do you have any suggestions for making it better / more advanced?

Reply to this comment    8 March 2004, 15:00 GMT

Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Robert AK  Account Info
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Why not make two categories:
-Temporary
-Definite

When the user posts a program, it goes in the temporary folder when the users can view it. When it is accepted, you can move it to the definite folder.

Voting would make things complicated and too many subfolders would make things harder to get.

Another thing, some people post their programs two times.(ie: TI-83, TI-83Plus) There should be something that let's you copy the program without necesserally having to send it two times and it wouldn't make your programs list two times bigger than it should be.

Someone suggested to start over. If you are thinking about that, you could use PHP and a MySQL database instead of CGI.

If you need anything, do not hesitate to contact me.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 17:30 GMT


Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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*chuckles at the thought of starting over*

We already use SQL, by the way.

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 04:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Eugene Talagrand Account Info
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How about having a web-based SQL Expression form? :)
That way users can filter just what they want.

(I'm kidding by the way, not enough people know SQL)

Reply to this comment    8 March 2004, 07:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
hat118  Account Info
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It would be nice to have sql also allow you to sort out files ou have veiwed already, or ranked already.

Reply to this comment    8 March 2004, 21:03 GMT

Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Keith Pierce  Account Info
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Hey I am not trying to be to some people but why dont Ticalc just get rid of some of the shells that are made in basic and games that arent finished and what not! Some of these programs that are made are really useless! I have to admitt some of mine are useless but i found out some people do use them!

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 18:21 GMT

Re: The Quality of Our Archives
spike11  Account Info
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I doubt that I sparked the idea, but I emailed the staff a a couple weeks ago and asked them to clean out my profile. About half of my files (from the begininning of my programming days) were crap. Having realized this and also knowing how it is to look for programs with all the crap around, I told them what I wanted deleted and they seemed more than willing to do it.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 18:22 GMT


Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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Well, lets just say that we get about an e-mail every 5 days requesting some sort of change. So it was not directly you, but an accuimulation of many e-mails that eventually annoyed me :-)

And you are right, just e-mail filearchive@ticalc.org for any changes to your author profile that you can't make by a simple update.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 20:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
spike11  Account Info
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Thanks, Morgan. Anyway, may I suggest a little "Delete" button next to a file in the "Manage Author Information" section? I know it would have helped you and I out. But if this happens, files may just disappear, which is why you should have an email to confirm the deletion.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 20:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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Well, as I have said before this could be compromised by other people gaining access to accounts that aren't theirs, tus you could see yourentire author profile dissappear. Just e-mail filearchive@ticalc.org I answer it and am fairly good at responding with in a day.

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 15:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
spike11  Account Info
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"Well, as I have said before this could be compromised by other people gaining access to accounts that aren't theirs, tus you could see yourentire author profile dissappear. Just e-mail filearchive@ticalc.org I answer it and am fairly good at responding with in a day."

Hence the reason there would be an email confirmation like I said.

Reply to this comment    10 March 2004, 18:39 GMT

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