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The Quality of Our Archives
Posted by Michael on 4 March 2004, 22:29 GMT

You may have noticed the low numbers of new files added to our archives. We're having a debate about what to do with a growing problem: Programs that simply aren't very useful to anyone. There are more quadratic solvers in our archives than should ever exist, notwithstanding the fact that most models have this as a built-in feature. Our possible solutions are:

Currently, all files that meet the site policies are processed and uploaded to our archives. Since this doesn't seem to be working well, here are the ideas under consideration:

  • The file archivers could manually screen programs for those deemed "junk", in the sense that they lower the signal-to-noise ratio of our archives rather than increase it. Authors would have to e-mail an appeal for rejected programs. This would cause a longer waiting time for processing files.
  • We could implement a rating system and organize programs by rating. This allows all programs to remain on the site, but the most useless could be filtered out. A method of dealing with new programs and low/high numbers of votes would have to be developed.
  • Our current folder system stops at games, programs, math, et cetera. For ease of browsing, this could be expanded to sub-categories like games/board, games/shooter, and games/guessthenumber. This doesn't limit the number of files added, it only categorizes them so folders are more concise and relevant.
  • Lastly, we could just leave everything as it is now.

We're asking for your input on what to do. There is a survey posted in conjunction with this article where you can vote on this issue. Thank you.

Update (Archiver): We will not be deleting files (at least not this time around), that was never one of the options. If you do want some of your programs deleted e-mail filearchive@ticalc.org.

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Re: The Quality of Our Archives
TI83andTI89Owner Account Info
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I used to spend my spare time sifting through the archives, finding cool programs/games to get, but I don't do that anymore because of all the crap that's in it. I only go straight to what I know is there, and I'd like to go back to the old days. I completely agree with the second option, which is filtering out bad files. There's going to be some real arguments if the staff selects the files that are crap and removes them or filters them, or if they're moved to a "crap" folder. I think the people should decide what is good and what is bad, and even then, all the files should stay, and the people get to choose what they get to see when they visit the archives. It makes perfect sense to me. That way no one person gets blamed for what's filtered. And it wouldn't cause all that hassle that option one has.

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 22:53 GMT

Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Andy Kukwa Account Info

I agree. Just look at some of the folders, especially the Basic Files ones. There's so much junk in them that it takes a long time to load the page. It's also a pain to look for good files to download, when a lot of them are mainly pointless junk or abandoned demos.

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 22:58 GMT

Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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I completely agree...it all comes down to the idea of:

Do you want to be in control of what appears on the aite or have absolutely none at all. So it's the archiver who decides or the comunity.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 11:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
KermMartian Account Info
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I believe that the archivers should decide; they're unbiased, while the community is not.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 20:12 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Lewk  Account Info

Aw. But why should we listen to you? You're biased.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 22:59 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
molybdenum  Account Info

Well, it is the community's choice what to download. It is best if the archives respect the community, even if the archivers are trying their hardest to rate based on the best programs.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 23:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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hahaha....me unbiased :-)

Sure...I am highly biased, I just know that if I did anythign about it I would probably be "let go" then file uploads would be back to how they were not so long ago :-)

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 04:01 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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*laughs uncontrollably*
Yeah, the idea of Morgan OR me being unbiased is hilarious. However, I'm sure you meant in terms of adding or rejecting files, in which I think we're both pretty fair.

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 04:56 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

You're both on the top uploads list.

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 05:56 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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Hmmm, so we are, but what's your point?

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 06:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

Seems like a conflict of interest.

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 06:55 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Would you prefer someone with less experience?

Reply to this comment    7 March 2004, 16:52 GMT


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burntfuse  Account Info

That's true...I guess if someone uploaded a really stupid, pointless prog and a file archiver deleted it, the person might, if they were really nasty, flame the archiver through e-mail or something.

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 15:16 GMT

Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Adm.Wiggin Account Info

I like #1,#2, and #3. They would make some people very happy, and some very agitated. I guess it requires finding a 'balance' so to speak.

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 22:59 GMT

Re: The Quality of Our Archives
nyall Account Info
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I like option # 3.

btw for 68k folders could the source code directory be split into c and asm?

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:00 GMT


Agreed (n/t)
molybdenum  Account Info

(n/t) if you are going to be picky, ticalc.org post thing

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 00:10 GMT

Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Steven Z Account Info
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I think there needs to be a lot more file archivers who have a good knowledge of the TI calculators and have the archivers screen the files. There are way too many basic math programs that have ABSOLUTELY NO POINT! We also need to start reviewing our current archive to delete the useless ones so one can find a good program quickly.

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:01 GMT


Re: Re: The Quality of Our Archives
Lewk  Account Info

YAAA!!! DEATH TO STUPID BASIC MATH PROGRAMS!!!!!!!!!

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:38 GMT


Guess the Coefficients shall die!
jgworthey  Account Info

There are so many frickin' Guess the Coefficients programs. Someone needs to make a FPS Kill the Coefficients game to cancel them all out. However, I reserve this claim for BHW Software.

Drew Worthey
Head Programmer of BHW Software

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 00:16 GMT

I got an Idea
aaron barnhart Account Info
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I think all the games should stay because if I am not mistaken thats what the most people download. I think it shouldn't be the quality because not everyone makes quality games and we all should be honest. I worked hard to make some of the more recent games I have posted and don't think it's fair to have a select panel choose whether it should be removed or not. I think they should all stay except when you have duplicates the people vote on which is the best.

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:01 GMT

Actually, let me change that.
aaron barnhart Account Info

I say if you go through and delete programs that say "This game sucks, so dont download" or just programs that have been on for two years and are have not gotten to 100 downloads and delete those, you would delete a nice amount of your archives.

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:04 GMT

Re: Actually, let me change that.
Ced McD  Account Info

I like the idea of setting a certain number of downloads a program needs within a time period. This is better than getting ratings from people because there are so many programs only a few would have a lot of people rate it. I think if a program description makes a lot of people want to download it, it deserves to stay.

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:34 GMT

Re: Re: Actually, let me change that.
Lewk  Account Info

I could right a great description for any of the peice of crap programs but that does't mean they are good. The amount of downloads doesn't have anything to do with how good the program is, suppose someone downloads it but it sucks so it just sits there on there computer.

I can say sucks and crap right?

Reply to this comment    4 March 2004, 23:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Actually, let me change that.
Ced McD  Account Info

Maybe there can be a section for rating stuff so if you like the game you rate it 'good' or something, but if no one rates it it's considered 'bad'. That way if no one downloads it then it gets deleted but you still have a chance to rate it.

Reply to this comment    5 March 2004, 00:49 GMT

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burntfuse  Account Info

I've seen plenty of good programs with lousy descriptions and terrible ones with descriptions that make them sound really good.

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 15:19 GMT


Re: Re: Actually, let me change that.
Eugene Talagrand Account Info
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The most useful program I've downloaded on this website was a BASIC polynomial synthetic long division program for the TI-85. It has *1* download in the past week!

Reply to this comment    8 March 2004, 08:29 GMT


Re: Actually, let me change that.
mike White Account Info

but then you could go "downlode happy" on yourfiles and get past the mark in 10 minets

Reply to this comment    6 March 2004, 03:50 GMT

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