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Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Posted on 5 March 1999, 03:42 GMT

We are sorry to announce that Bryan Rabeler, a member of our staff for the past two years, will no longer be contributing to the project. While Bryan has played a tremendous role in making our site a success, we are no longer able to collaborate with Bryan in a beneficial way. We wish Bryan the best of luck for the future and once again would like to acknowledge the considerable commitment he has made to the site in the past.

 


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Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Anon

Since everyone is saying something, I guess I should voice an opinion. Here it is:
Time to move on.

Bryan's not coming back. He's been fired, end of story. Time to look towards ticalc.org's future.

I want to know who is going to permanently take over Bryan's role as archiver. I would like to know that Bryan's beneficial practices will be continued. He tested every program before posting it on ticalc.org, which also means he owned every TI calc (except the 89?). He also decompiled every zip looking for source codes, and he then put the source codes into a separate directory. This was very beneficial, and so far Kirk is not doing this. Furthermore, Bryan updated the archives 3-4 times a day. Bryan leaves a serious void that ticalc.org doesn't seem very concerned on filling. He brought a level of consistency and dedication unparalleled.

And who's going to take over hosting? I know I still have more than a couple unanswered requests and questions.

Regarding the reason behind the firing, I do not believe that the public should know. If ticalc.org members release information, they'll probably just make themselves look like jerks. If Bryan comes forward, he lose the oportunity to walk away from this with a little of his dignity left. It's bad enough that they publicly fired him, to make him say "They fired me because..." would basically "rub his nose in it".

The ticalc.org staff has taken the intiative to say "Hey, we don't need Rabeler". Now, they have to prove it.

     7 March 1999, 02:28 GMT


Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
ticalc_chris

Thanks, buddy. It's good to see that somebody understands the reason why the details shouldn't be leaked out. We'd probably all enjoy a good mud-slinging session, but it's not at all appropriate.

And believe me, our perpetual goal is to improve how we do things. Bryan's loss isn't something we can bounce back from in 1 or 2 days, but be assured that we'll keep up the same archive practices as we have in the past, to the extent that we have the resources. But don't necessarily expect us to keep up the same pace right off the bat.

Chris

     7 March 1999, 04:23 GMT

Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Blade
(Web Page)

I for one would like to see ticalc post something here on WHY Brian no longer works w/ (or for) them. I also have a theory on the Eugene vs AntiEugene thing. I think it is all one person who enjoys talking to themself. Like me... I sit alone at night at 3AM yelling at myself... anybody doubting my sanity here? lol
also What's up w/ this 15char word limit? I don't even know what I'm sayin longer than it but it KEEPS COMING UP! Oh yeah... anybody who agrees w/ me on the ticalc thing plz reply: maybe they'll post tell us why if enough ppl request it.

     7 March 1999, 03:02 GMT

Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
George Limpert
(Web Page)

Judging by the responses of Chris I believe that Bryan was fired from ticalc.org. I am a representative from a TI software company known as 411 Productions based out of Saint Louis, Missouri. I personally was talking with Bryan about my company site being hosted at ticalc.org. Since Chris won't say who is handling the hosting then I refuse to host at ticalc.org. Congratulations on losing another potential site with your arrogance. So much for saving Bryan from humiliation, your intentionally vague news item caused many rumors and much speculation which has to be humiliating. You should have posted that he retired from active status or something similar. Instead you chose to word it to sound like things weren't going well between ticalc.org and Bryan. Then we have the reply by Magnus Hagander about Bryan being allowed to post as long as he follows the rules about language and such. Why would he use foul language if he was not fired and left on good terms? His departure was quite sudden. I received an e-mail from him about two days before this story broke. By putting a number of things together it seems that Bryan was fired in a humiliating fashion. The ho-hum manner about which ticalc.org members are conducting themselves also seems odd as if they aren't upset about Bryan leaving. I have come to the conclusion that Bryan was fired and there was a power struggle of sorts leading up to the news. The rest of ticalc.org banded together to fire him. No wonder he would be angry if the rest of ticalc.org turned on him. Chris has to be the most selfish and arrogant guy I know of. Since he seems to be getting more power in ticalc.org and because of his actions, I have lost a lot of respect for ticalc.org. Since it appears that ticalc.org fired Bryan Rabeler in a humiliating manner in which the rest of the members allied against him, I hope he posts his story on TI-FILES or DIMENSION-TI. My message to Chris is grow up. He is immature enough to post on this site as Eugene and as AntiEugene to amuse himself. For the apparent manner in which Bryan Rabeler was fired from ticalc.org and the coverup which follows even till now, ticalc.org deserves to lose hits, popularity, and to fail. After two years of putting in one hell of an effort for this site to terminate him that way is dispicable. Maybe the public will never know the truth that is out there but what we do know certainly casts a bad image on ticalc.org. I just hope that Chris isn't stupid enough to delete this post because doing so just proves my comments about him and about the way Bryan was fired. I would however like to see him respond to this. I dare you to respond, Chris.

     7 March 1999, 05:11 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
ticalc_chris

Hmm. That's quite a mouthful. A couple of things I'd like to make very clear:

- the act of "handling" the hosting is a pretty short order. you contact us, we approve your site (or not), you agree to a contract, and that's pretty much it. right now, Magnus handles email to the hosting address. I suggest people send to that address since this may change; we are shuffling around staff positions, which I think is understandable after losing a member who handled several different parts of the site.

- if Bryan is humiliated about the effects of his own actions, who's to blame?

- the staff operation of ticalc.org is mostly unknown to anyone outside of our staff, so you're not qualified to say whether I'm "getting more power" or not. I'm not taking over any of Bryan's old postitions (at least, not for the long term).

- accusations that I posted messages as somebody else? interesting.

- coverup? once more (repeat after me): it's inappropriate for us to give away the private details behind Bryan's leaving staff. if the details come out, they're going to come from Bryan. period.

- you make a big point about not knowing any of the details about the situation, and then say firing him was unfounded. that doesn't make you a very convincing witness.

- we're not practicing any sort of censorship here except for what we've always said doesn't belong in our comments (and yours is on the extreme edge).

Guys, especially George, taking pot shots at me and the rest of the staff isn't going to squeeze out any juicy details. Threatening not to host your site with us until we release them is equally unimpressive.

If you really support Bryan, stick up for his privacy and his reputation by not asking us to torch him in public.

Chris

     7 March 1999, 07:11 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
George Limpert
(Web Page)

Thank you for answering a few of my questions. If I understand correctly, Bryan was fired for something he did. It is quite professional of ticalc.org not to humiliate him any more. The public does know enough. If Bryan has any complaints, I encourage him to personally come forward. Ticalc.org has made it very clear that if he wants his story told, he will have to tell it himself.

I do apologize to Chris for my comments about him being immature. I said that he would prove my comments right if he deleted my message which he did not. I also no longer believe he is in any way involved with the Eugene / Antieugene situation. My comments were inappropriate and insulting. I do have a problem with the apparently many Eugene characters posting messages, none of which are Chris nor any other ticalc.org staff member. Most of them seem to enjoy insulting Bryan Rabeler. I am sure that the staff of ticalc.org does not wish for Bryan to be insulted no matter what the situation might be concerning his apparent termination. Most of the people posting to this site, even the immature ones, are teens. I personally am 15 years old. My message is act your age. We don't need good riddance messages or messages that are flat out demeaning to the TI community as a whole.

I also would like to once again acknowledge the effort Bryan put forth for this site and for the TI community. Whether you liked him or you hated him, he will be missed.

I do have a suggestion for ticalc.org and all opf the TI related sites for that matter. Bryan dealt with the visitors to this site through e-mail or through posted messages more than the others of ticalc.org. It might not fit your image of being professional but that is the reason he was so respected. An old TI-FILES slogan was 'Where everybody knows your name.' It sure felt that way on ticalc.org with Bryan around. I hope that ticalc.org tries to maintain that atmosphere even without Bryan.

I encourage ticalc.org members, especially Chris, to respond to my post. Tell my if I finally understand correctly.

     7 March 1999, 19:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
ticalc_chris

I don't appreciate the way you're rebounding off a completely insulting, uninformed, and immature post. Now you've tried to take it all back and give everybody else tips on how they should be dealing with this situation.

But assuming you haven't changed your mind since posting this (I can't be sure -- it HAS been several hours), I'd say your conclusions are about as accurate as possible. Now quit beating a dead horse and making yourself look like a lunatic.

Chris

     7 March 1999, 21:32 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Mike

Well, there is a post on TI-Files.com that has a very detailed essay from Bryan. It does say that he was FIRED, I don't think you can argue that once you read it.

     8 March 1999, 05:56 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Nathan Haines
(Web Page)

Well, that's a fairly unimpressive post.

I'm not a coordinator and had nothing to do with firing Bryan. In fact, I was rather upset about it at first. However, Bryan is not angry, so why should I be?

Now, all email sent to hosting @ ticalc.org (15 char. limit, hehe) will be handled by someone who is in charge of hosting. That's Magnus Hagander right now.

Just like I don't appreciate getting help mail to nhaines @ ticalc.org. I read every mail sent to help @ ticalc.org, and I answer most of them. If I can't answer one, I refer it to someone who can. Every message I answer comes from my email address and has my signature file on it. I don't even have a way to send a message from 'help @ ticalc.org.'

Chris's post sums up everything else. The aliases like help and news and hosting help us to more efficiently answer mail. You'll get a response from a real, live person with a real ticalc.org email address.

     7 March 1999, 09:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Andy Selle

First, on the subject of hosting. The mail for hosting accounts is going to Chris. If you have a problem with that you could send it to another staff member, but I recommend against it. If, upon finding this information, you choose to not be hosted by ticalc.org, it is regrettable, but it is your decision.

Second, on the argument that Bryan was fired. I guarantee that we have good reasons for anything that we might have done. Your opinions come from a fundamental ignorance of how our staff works internally. This is alright, however, I am upset if you blindly make rhetorical statements which have no factual basis. You can be sure our intention was not to spread rumors and the like. We initially thought it might be wise NOT to include a news item on the subject in the fear that the there would be rumors and questions. We decided instead to share the information we believed was right and prudent.

Third, I can attest to the character of Chris that he is neither selfish or arrogant. If he really was so arrogant why 3 years ago did he take the most popular site on TI calculators at the time "The Unofficial TI Homepage" and colaborate with Magnus Hagander, Henrik, and Isaac to create ticalc.org. That certainly isn't arrogance. You go on to suggest he is immature. If that were the case, would he not have already said all the bad things he could have about Bryan? He hasn't. He won't. We won't. Why? Because it is unprofessional and unfair to Bryan.

Fourth, on Bryan's loss. He was hard working. He will be missed, but is that enough? I will say no more in fear of hypocricy. We are willing to accept the possibility of lost hits. Sometimes the truth is costly, but it is something we need to strive for.

     7 March 1999, 15:52 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
ticalc_chris

Actually, hosting is now going to Magnus. I had it for about 2 days, though. :)

Chris

     7 March 1999, 19:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
George Limpert
(Web Page)

I really don't care about juicy details. I remember that a while back you were not admitting that Bryan had even been fired. You made it sound as if it were a mutual agreement. All I ask is that someone say he didn't quit on his own. Who cares why exactly he was fired? I certainly don't. I just want somebody to confess and admit he was fired. Your initial post sounded like you fired Bryan. If you don't want rumors and questions be careful what you say. Your initial post caused the questions and now you attack those asking the questions. It sounds like someone has a little problem taking responsibility. If my assumptions are true and Bryan was fired then I commend him for not posting here to attack ticalc.org. It is also the right of the people to know who they will be dealing with when they send an e-mail to a general anonymous address. As long as I know who I will be dealing with, I don't have a problem with the current operations. I just want to know who will be getting my e-mail and replying when I send to hosting@ ticalc.org.

     7 March 1999, 20:19 GMT


Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
the original Eugene

I hope you've dispelled it by now. If you've been around on other news topics, you would have seen me say that there are two Eugenes, and a few witnesses to that :) no I won't call on them

TI-Files and Dimension TI each have a link to Bryan's essay. Read it. It doesn't look like ticalc.org will be telling all. They might want to do some explaining, though.

And I don't doubt your sanity. I'd probably be doing the same thing as you if my parents didn't mind. I mean, sometimes I go down at midnight to play N64 (and don't tell me PlayStation is better, that's like duh) for 4 hours. You're right though-I could be sitting here posting replies to my own messages this minute!

Gee, I gotta go to sleep soon.

     8 March 1999, 10:19 GMT

Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
The Great Aardvark!

What? Magnus is dead?

     7 March 1999, 04:11 GMT

Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Dux Gregis

R.I.P.

     7 March 1999, 04:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Dux Gregis

Damn it, cut that out you gimp !

     7 March 1999, 17:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Jonah Cohen
(Web Page)

why are you responding to your own comments?

and wtf is a gimp? (or do i not want to know?)

     7 March 1999, 19:18 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Dux Gregis

gimp = foot-licking louse wife who posts under my name

     7 March 1999, 22:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
the original Eugene

Now why didn't you ask me that before?

     8 March 1999, 09:05 GMT


Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Magnus Hagander
(Web Page)

Arrgh, not again....

     7 March 1999, 12:09 GMT

Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Matt
(Web Page)

Ehh? Bryan left? Now I can't joke around to him about how ACZ is going to assimilate TICALC.ORG. Well, it is only a matter of time ;-)

     7 March 1999, 15:39 GMT

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