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Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Posted on 5 March 1999, 03:42 GMT

We are sorry to announce that Bryan Rabeler, a member of our staff for the past two years, will no longer be contributing to the project. While Bryan has played a tremendous role in making our site a success, we are no longer able to collaborate with Bryan in a beneficial way. We wish Bryan the best of luck for the future and once again would like to acknowledge the considerable commitment he has made to the site in the past.

 


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Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Flinn

Whether you guys realize it or not, what Rabeler
did on this site took pretty much no work at all.
Updating the file archives, adding some things
every month or so.. big whoop. Why can't Rabeler update files every day instead of every
week or two? It's stupid.

/Flinn

     6 March 1999, 07:16 GMT

Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
a
(Web Page)

you do it then...

     6 March 1999, 09:23 GMT


Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
George Limpert
(Web Page)

You are an idiot. He tested the programs sent in to see if they worked. That takes a while. Often when I posted on this message board he responded promptly. It takes time to monitor these boards and respond to comments. He spent several hours each day for this site. I would like to see you put in half as much time as he did. If you look down at the bottom of the mais screen with the news, it lists files added each day. The file archives are updated each and every day. Bryan did a hell of a job for ticalc.org and made a huge contribution to the TI calculator community. He will be missed.

     6 March 1999, 19:57 GMT

Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Greg Sharp

I think Bryan did a good job. The file were kept up to date, even though there were many of them sent in each day, and Bryan was always there to help. Bryan was one of the only ticalc.org members that really interacted with the TI community as a whole. Thanks for the great work Bryan.

Greg Sharp

     6 March 1999, 09:04 GMT

Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Harper Maddox
(Web Page)

Good Luck Bryan! You did an excellent job at ticalc.org, and the staff seems to be motivated to fill your shoes.

     6 March 1999, 09:09 GMT

Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Link310

Well Bryan, you did a great job here, but I guess it's time to move on, huh? Good luck /w whatever you do next. And to ticalc, keep up the great work, I know the rest of team will do just fine.

ttfn
-Link310

     6 March 1999, 20:55 GMT

Why is ticalc.org withholding information
George Limpert
(Web Page)

It seems odd that this news item has been up for 45 hours and has 114 posts. Neither ticalc.org nor Bryan Rabeler have come forward with the story. I think the TI community has a right to know the truth about why such a loyal and dedicated member of the community is no longer with ticalc.org. Doesn't the silence on the part of both parties seem quite odd? I can think of many reasons why Bryan hasn't spoke up but why is ticalc.org keeping silent. Earlier posts by ticalc.org members state they cannot reveal information. None of the ticalc.org members have posted for about 23 hours. Why haven't they broken the silence. I think that the loyal visitors to ticalc.org deserve an answer. Who is handling the hosting and the news/comment system now. There were earlier posts that should have been deleted but haven't. It seems that ticalc.org is neglecting this message board for some reason. What is going on behind the scenes. We don't need suspicions or speculation but truthful answers. I think we deserve answers from ticalc.org. I challange ticalc.org members to respond to this. If you also think that more information should be divulged, please reply to this post. The people have a right to know.

     7 March 1999, 00:27 GMT

Re: Why is ticalc.org withholding information
atom
(Web Page)

Yes, I agree, this would cut down rumors about him being fired for "hacking," Kirk Meyer wanting to takeover, etc. But it's ticalc.org's responsibility, not Bryan's. In fact, if Bryan is upset about this - which he has the right to be - then I commend him for restraining himself from posting. Ticalc, there are some things that should be kept secret from the public, but this is not one of them.

     7 March 1999, 01:40 GMT

Re: Why is ticalc.org withholding information
Dan J

I agree. I think that by now there should have been at least some revelation why such an unexpected departure occurred.

     7 March 1999, 02:06 GMT


Re: Why is ticalc.org withholding information
ticalc_chris

First of all: who is handling our hosting or news or whatever? Send your relevant email to hosting@ticalc or news@ticalc and it'll go to the right place. It's our concern that people don't have to worry about this. So don't.

Moving on, it's completely inappropriate for the site to post details on this issue. If Bryan wants people to know the reasons behind his departure, he'll come out and give his half. But it wouldn't be fair for us to dish out dirt -- if Bryan wasn't sensitive about having the details out in the open, I imagine he'd have posted them long before now. It's an internal matter, and it's nobody else's business; I don't think anybody has a "right to know" except our staff. But again, if it's something Bryan wants people to know about, he'll post about it himself.

Chris

     7 March 1999, 04:08 GMT

Re: Re: Why is ticalc.org withholding information
Evil Sam
(Web Page)

In regards to the first part of your message, you're saying you want ticalc.org to be completely impersonal and professional? John Doe is going to email some generic email account, then receive a generic response from an anonymous ticalc.org member. That sounds like fun.
One of the purposes of hosting, I thought, was to make the TI community more of a community. Now, you're keeping the hosted sites in the dark about who they need to talk to? Not very neighborly.
I agree with you, though. The public probably should not hear all the details, but I do think people should learn some of the very basics. Right now, it looks like ticalc.org fired a two-year dedicated staff member for no apparent reason with spur of the moment descision. Bryan was answering emails and uploading files only a few hours before this announcement came out.
NOT very professional or mature. A ticalc.org member cannot say otherwise unless he is willing to release some tidbit of information that would lead to a different conclusion.

     7 March 1999, 04:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Why is ticalc.org withholding information
ticalc_chris

The point isn't to be impersonal. The point is that you can always send to the same address, no matter who's responsible for taking care of that section. You'll get a response from an actual person, but this way people don't send mail to someone who is no longer responsible for helping them and we don't receive irrelevant email that has to be redirected. It's in the interest of a faster response, especially since we're shuffling things around a bit right now. Sending email to the wrong person will necessarily result in a delay, and the only way we can guarantee you'll be communicating with the right person is if you send to the aliases we've set up.

I think Bryan's lack of a response to this is indication enough that whatever he did, he's not able to object to the outcome; in other words, it gives the appearance that he perhaps acknowledges that he did something to bring this about. That would suggest he did something worthy of losing his staff position. I don't think there's a good reason for anybody else to know anything more specific except morbid curiosity. People should judge Bryan based on their own interactions with him, not how he's acted on our staff.

Chris

     7 March 1999, 06:52 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is ticalc.org withholding information
atom
(Web Page)

I disagree with the second part of this post. If Bryan left ticalc.org on a bad note, which, from the little information we've been given, seems like the case, then he is doing the right thing by not posting here. If he did post, I don't think he would post in a "beneficial way." He should be commended for restraining himself from posting when such bad things are being said about him. In keeping with the ticalc "professional" style, Bryan seems to be doing the right thing.

You are complaining that other people are speculating about this situation without enough information (eg. "It's because of the TI-Files hack!"), but you seem to be doing the same thing. Your reasoning for why Bryan is not posting here is a guess on your part. Have you talked to Bryan about this matter since he "parted"? It doesn't sound like you're basing your conclusion, that he is not posting since he is a villian, on too little information.

     7 March 1999, 14:42 GMT


Re: Re: Why is ticalc.org withholding information
Glen

You know (and I'm trying my best to sound mature and responsible here), if you think for even one second that we aren't going to want to know why this happened, you are the fool on this message board. Also, if you didn't want so many questions asked about it, why the heck did you use the words that you did? I mean think about it, you could have said that Bryan was just going on to bigger and better things, not that there had been conflicts or whatever. I'm am personally not sorry to see him go (as I didn't know him very well), but it WILL be a major loss to the TI community. Bryan did his job to the best of his ability, and besides, all of you that think he did squat around here, think about this: he had school, homework, maybe even a job, and he still had to update the file archives, go through e-mail from hell (he was on every ticalc.org list) and still have a litle time for a life. So please people, have a heart, give Bryan some credit and love, and say farewell (even though I think everyone still would like to know why...).

Glen

     7 March 1999, 17:11 GMT

Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Anti Anti Anti Anti Eugene

I hate people who hate people who hate people who hate people who hate Eugene

     7 March 1999, 01:25 GMT


Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
George Limpert
(Web Page)

Very funny. </sarcasm> You are a fool to post such messages. You should have posted a reply to my previous post asking for information. Instead you come on and make a really stupid comment. Don't you care about the future of this site. It is one of the best three TI sites on the internet. I say that so I don't get into wars over site competition. Even members of rival TI sites should care about Bryan and the future of ticalc.org. I am going to use this as an excuse to demand information. Is there some reason ticalc.org cannot or will not give out the information? Why is ticalc.org being so quiet? Nothing at all is happening. I think all the loyal visitors to ticalc.org deserve to know what is going on. This the 117th message and this news item has been up for 46 and 1/2 hours. What is going on. Bryan did a great job and the TI community deserves to know why he is not with ticalc.org any more. Usually, Chris or Nathan Haines is here to reply to comments but they aren't replying. An answer would be nice. We were all shocked to get the news when it first broke. Whether you liked Bryan or you hated him, you have to recognize his contribution to this site and to the TI community as a whole. I encourage those of you not with ticalc.org who are reading this to take a moment an post a request for information because you should care what went on. The silence just fuels idle specualtion. I encourage members of ticalc.org to post any kind of response to this. I dare Chris to post a reply to this.

     7 March 1999, 01:51 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
ticalc_chris

I'll reply to anything constructive and relevant. In this case, I'm going to refer to my response a page or two higher up. The skinny: the gory details are nobody's business but Bryan's and the staff's, and it's unfair to Bryan to post them without his permission (did you consider the possibility that the reasons won't be flattering to Bryan and he doesn't want them in the open? we did). So if Bryan wants people to know about them, he'll step forward. But we have enough respect not to smear his public reputation based on how he's acted within our staff, no matter how much you guys are begging for dirt.

Chris

     7 March 1999, 04:16 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Nathan Haines
(Web Page)

Well, I'm still here, although I've been doing other things like answering help mail, and beginning to prepare new questions for the FAQ...

I'm happy to answer any questions, but the whole affair with Bryan is an internal matter. I know most everything behind this decision, and frankly, I'd be very happy to discuss it more if Bryan had, but he's keeping quiet, and he tells me he's not angry over it, so that's fine for me.

The community has been told why Bryan is no longer with us. I'm going to stay with Chris' official statement that we were no longer able to collaborate with him in a beneficial matter. That's what happened. A more detailed account is no one's business, and not even my personal friends in real life have been told much more. Certainly no details.

Trust me, you're not missing anything, and we choose not to give any more information, in respect to Bryan.

     7 March 1999, 09:15 GMT

Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Flinn

Now that I think about it, Bryan did a pretty
good job of hacking ti-files. What a bunch of
lamers over there at ti-files... That was his
best accomplishment. I guess that almost makes
up for his lack of caring about ticalc.org,
which is undoubtedly the reason he quit.
Why do I type this? Because you people need a
clue. It's sort of like saving someone from
a car accident. You might as well, because
someone could be videotaping, and you could
be on national TV.

- Daniel Walls

     7 March 1999, 01:38 GMT


Re: Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
George Limpert
(Web Page)

We need to put an end to the specualtion about the Bryan Rabeler situation and this does nothing to aid that cause. Please stop posting this sort of comments. One thing that was made clear is that Bryan Rabeler is not gone because of the TI-FILES incident. You are a fool and if you post another comment like that I will reply the same way again.

     7 March 1999, 01:57 GMT

Re: Bryan Rabeler and ticalc.org Part Ways
Jonathan Kaus

I am going to have to agree completely with the guy who demands information. We would all like to know, and not knowing is going to have the entire community spreading tons of rumours for quite some time. At least until someone comes out about this.
I think ticalc.org, as a group, should come forward, because they are the opganization, as opposed to Bryan Rabeler, a single person. This is not saying that I don't think Bryan should talk about whatever happened as well, but I don't want to wait forever in a stalemate, with Bryan waiting to see what ticalc.org says, and ticalc.org waiting to see what Bryan says.

The suspense is killing us all. Please, give us something substantial.

P.S. As a side note, to ticalc.org, I think your news section should automatically check and post the ip number or hostname of the people as they post to this thing. That would allow us to find out who the rude people in the Eugene thing really are. I think that posts like that are demeaning to both your self and the message board you are posting too. If the people knew that everything they posted could be tied to that person, fewer people would post the dumb, senseless posts we have been seeing on this topic. I may state a fact that throughout the entire history of the ticalc.org news reply system, 'Eugene' has posted many things, a lot of which seem to be unnecessary. However, not once in all of his/her posts did he/she put down an email address, fake or legit. I think something should be done about this. It is definetly an abuse of the liberties ticalc.org has allowed us on this message board.

--Jonathan Kaus
Jedsmeny

     7 March 1999, 02:17 GMT


Addressing the problem
the original Eugene

Hey guys...time to face it. I've gotten addicted to posting ever since I discovered the comments lists here at ticalc.org. Since last month, there have some people using my name to post irrelevant material. I'll admit I've posted lots of junk here as well. So, I apologize to everyone here, particularly people I offended directly. This does not mean I'll stop posting, period; I'll just make some more intelligent comments and not post so much.

PS: BTW, I know other message boards that are much more controlled than this but don't take the security measures Jonathan Kaus suggested. They are called the TI-Files message board and the Dimension TI bulletin board. (Not to induce any competition, but still.)

I've posted my email address before, but in case you've missed it, I posted it this time.

Oh, and one other thing to those people with the name "Eugene" in their aliases. I represent myself, no one else represents me, and I represent no one else.

     8 March 1999, 09:03 GMT

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