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Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
henrik Account Info
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Joel Thompson contributed this survey.

Reply to this comment    16 May 2003, 22:36 GMT


Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
DarkSideProgramming  Account Info

good for him

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 14:12 GMT


Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I think we need a new one.

Reply to this comment    26 May 2003, 23:04 GMT


As little as possible
slimey_limey  Account Info
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Good for you.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 02:59 GMT


Re: As little as possible
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I had that one coming to me ;-)

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:31 GMT

Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
Bill_pike

1 hour, in AP Computer Science class
Any one else take AP Computer Science.
because I do as a sophmore (in highschool)

Reply to this comment    16 May 2003, 22:45 GMT

Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
tromb_rob67  Account Info
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i only program about an hour a week and mostly it is only a basic program that does nothing that i make caues im bored

Reply to this comment    16 May 2003, 23:14 GMT


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angelboy  Account Info
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I tend to spend 3+ hours per day programming when I should be doing something else.

Reply to this comment    16 May 2003, 23:27 GMT

Re: ~
KermMartian Account Info
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yay! 4-5 hours/week.

Reply to this comment    19 May 2003, 18:05 GMT


Re: Re: ~
RCTParRoThEaD_ Account Info
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yeah, in BASIC. which is why you come out with so much crap.

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 06:31 GMT

Re: Re: Re: ~
ac  Account Info

BASIC is not always crap. I spend ~3 hours/week programing in it and have made some good stuff (which i have been to lazie to upload). I bet that if Kermmit programed in ASM, his stuff wouldn't be much better than BASIC.

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 13:52 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
RCTParRoThEaD_ Account Info
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I was not implying BASIC is always crap. I was implying that BASIC is so easy, that it takes him almost no time to come up with new crap to flood the archives.

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 17:55 GMT


:.:
slimey_limey  Account Info
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But if he did it in ASm it would probably be self-modifying code, therefore leading to untraceable bugs. Therefore he would just ignore them and upload it anyway.

Reply to this comment    21 May 2003, 20:43 GMT


~
angelboy Account Info

But other languages, such as JavaScript, can be self-modifying code, and they don't always lead to untraceable bugs.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 03:05 GMT


Re: ~
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Ye Gods, man, couldn't you FEEL the SARCASM? Sheesh!

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:31 GMT


~
angelboy Account Info

Sorry, guess I din't.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 01:50 GMT


Re: ~
Michael O'Brien  Account Info
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<sarcasm>BREAKING NEWS Websters dictionary has a new addition to the humungous list of words. This word is "din't" an abreviation of "didn't" and the credit goes to angelboy on the ticalc.org's message boards for finding this great discovery</sarcasm>

Sorry I couldn't resist. Some of my mistakes have been worse. LOL, its what we all should do (laughing not making mistakes) :)

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 18:08 GMT

~
angelboy Account Info

Din't
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...
Copywrite 2003 Angelboy

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 23:17 GMT


Re: ~
AndySoft  Account Info
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You wrote a copy of it? (Copyright)

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 01:01 GMT


Re: Re: ~
Soth  Account Info
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If everyone laughed wouldn't life be so much greater.
Walking home just now, some pilick decided to pull away sharpley from a junction - caught a kerp and ripped his tyre.
What did we do?
We laughed. And felt better for it.

Still wonder what sort of idiot that driver felt.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 01:01 GMT


Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I no wat u mean, its like ppl feel dum wen they spel stuf rong, lol an wen they hit tyre curps

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 01:32 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
AndySoft  Account Info
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He didn't spell anything wrong. That's how they spell those words over there.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 05:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Sharpley? I think not. ;-)

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 14:32 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
Soth  Account Info
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You try making sense after little or no sleep and to many exams.
I fail these exams that's a few grand down the drain. already over 8000 / $13000 debt as it is.
Can't afford to slack off too much work can I.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 18:38 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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No... I just thought that you were misspelling them on purpose to make a joke. Sorry LOL :)

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 21:42 GMT


Re: Re: Re: ~
Tyler S  Account Info
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Yep,I agree with you totally, Kermmit comes out with a bunch of crap, who would waste their time on a windows xp program in basic, when it can't even shutdown! I bet you at least 20% of the basic programs on this site belong to him

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 02:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Actually, I doubt that... I'd say he has about 2% of the files... there are a LOT of files here, you know.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 14:32 GMT

Re: ~
q x  Account Info

I spend about *TEN to Twelve* hours a day thinking
about programming. (C++ class really did me in)

Reply to this comment    19 May 2003, 19:44 GMT


Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Thinking about programming?

Reply to this comment    19 May 2003, 22:00 GMT

Re: Re: Re: ~
benryves  Account Info
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H'm.
I think about it too, when I'm not near my PC 'z80-ing' the night away (or something similar)

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 09:15 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
starwarsfreak_17  Account Info
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Yeah, night time is when I'm doing my best work. During the day I am too busy to do anything that is really worth while. :(
Lets just say that I am putting the children of the CEO of Pepsi through college! lol!

Pepsi and Doritos = Programming fuel!

Reply to this comment    22 May 2003, 14:40 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~~~~~~~~~~~~
TheCalcGenius  Account Info
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Not just any ordinary Pepsi: Pepsi BLUE (even though that stuff tastes horrible)!!!

Reply to this comment    22 May 2003, 15:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
Chivo  Account Info

Caffiene is programming fluid (I don't drink it, though). A pizza is a rotary debugger. :-)

Just some hacker jargon for you to chew on.

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 03:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
DarkSideProgramming  Account Info

Caffeine is the greatest drug ever discovered!! How could you not drink it?!

BTW, you don't chew on words.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 16:43 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I do! Haven't you ever had alphabet soup?

And caffeine is the best drug ever. It's completely legal to get "high" off 10 cans of mountain dew. It's the alternative to worse drugs ;-) (I love caffeine! *shakes*)

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:33 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
Soth  Account Info
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You can chew on words.
And I mean other than Alphaspagetti soup. Although I do like that come back.

Caffiene isn't that great a drug. Drink a pint of water - it is better for you and will do more for keeping your stamina / energy up.
Get dehydrated and you will get tired very quickly. All drinks bar water and PURE fruit juice are dehydratents.

Another great trick - which you must try some time.
Go for two+ weeks with no sugar. (So don't eat ready meals as they are packed with it) Natural stuff like the sugars in fresh fruit is fine.

Then have a mars / snickers / high sugar chocolate or something, along with a drink that doesn't use sweetner in stead of sugar. Lilt / coke - not pepsi.

You WILL bounce off the ceiling.
You WON'T be able to sit still during a boring lecture.
You will be assumed drunk.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 00:50 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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YEAH! I need to do that!!!!! I don't think I could go a DAY without sugar, though...

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 14:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
Chivo  Account Info

I don't drink caffeine, as you can read above, but once I drank a cup or two of caffinated root beer, and I was bouncing off the walls (not quite the ceiling, but close). That's the thing with drugs (including caffeine): use it regularly and your body becomes used to it and dependant on it (without caffeine, you feel tired). That's my main non-religious argument for staying away from caffeine.

Reply to this comment    30 May 2003, 01:32 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
steve cavilia  Account Info

Remember when Homer ate the joe millionaire promo?

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 21:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: ~
Probyte Account Info
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You would have no idea how many complex programming bugs and program flow discoveries I have solved while miles away from my PC! It's like a solution can just pop into your head...

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 21:37 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Well, now that I think about it... I do think about programming quite a bit. It is funny, how you can fix a bug while you're gone... or when somebody else looks at your program for the first time. I guess staring at the program too long can do funny things to you. ;-)

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 22:35 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
Michael O'Brien  Account Info
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Heck yeah. I was messing around with a small contrast effect in C last night and I kep getting an error that made no sense. It turned out that I had an extra '}' laying around that was causing all 7 or 8 errors.

Reply to this comment    22 May 2003, 19:13 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
Chivo  Account Info

C is like that -- make one mistake and you get a screen full of errors. Fortunately, the error is usually on the first line (or the line above it) the compiler complains about.

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 03:06 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
Michael O'Brien  Account Info
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I've worked with C++ before, its the same way so I'm not really suprised. BTW How can I make a function with a specific set of routines in it and call/execute it from within main?

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 22:14 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
rmohr02 Account Info
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Can you clarify that some?

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 02:35 GMT


How to make a function is C++ (and mybe C)
CajunLuke

Do you want a #define macro or a normal function? Here's both: (normal first)

<return type> <func. name>(<parameters>);

//main goes here

<return type> <func. name>(<parameters>)
{
//function implementation
}

Return type can be void (no return), or int, double, bool, apstring, myclass, etc. (any variable type)

Call as you would a normal built-in function.

Parameters can be reference (a copy is made for the function, and the function can't change main's value of the variable) or <I forgot the other word> (changes main's value of the function). Use an & before the variable name (as in: int &varname ).

The other kind is a #define macro. These actually copy/paste the code into the spot, instead of calling a function.
Syntax:

#define <text (no spaces) to be replaced> <stuff to replace it with>

The stuff to replace it with MUST be on ONE line, unless you use a slash (/) to end each line.

Post another comment with more questions!!

Reply to this comment    26 May 2003, 19:45 GMT

Re: How to make a function is C++ (and maybe C)
Michael O'Brien  Account Info
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Well I had some stupid bug that prevented the calling of the function I had. everything is fixed. BTW I need to see an example of a working DrawClipRect command. I can't get it to display anything so I made my own simple rectangle function.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 17:50 GMT


Re: How to make a function is C++ (and mybe C)
Chivo  Account Info

Here are some corrections:

Values are passed to functions "by value" (only the value is passed) or "by reference" (a reference to the variable is passed). There are two ways to pass a variable by reference. One is the way you described (using "&", or the alias operator, before the variable name in the function declaration/definition), and the other is to take a pointer as an argument. The two are really the same; it just affects the way programmers write and call the function (C++ uses pointers probably a bit more than in C because of its inherent support of objects, so I guess the designer of C++ thought the alias operator would simplify passing objects by reference -- and it does, too).

Another correction is with the slash (/). To continue a line, you need to use a backslash (\), not a forward slash. There are really only two meanings of a backslash in C or its preprocessor: (0) the next character is literal (e.g., \" means a literal double quote), or (1) the next character represents another (nonprintable) character (e.g., \n means newline, or ASCII character 10).

Correct me too if I'm wrong. I've been using C/C++ for quite a long time now, though, so I believe this is all correct.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 21:06 GMT


Re: Re: How to make a function is C++ (and mybe C)
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I thought \n was 13... I could be wrong, though.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 21:43 GMT

Re: Re: Re: How to make a function is C++ (and mybe C)
rmohr02 Account Info
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Depends on the system. On some it's 13, on some it's 10, on some it's 10 13, and on some it's 13 10. The reason? Ask Microsoft and Apple why they didn't conform the the standard set by Unix.

Reply to this comment    30 May 2003, 00:22 GMT


Re: Re: Re: How to make a function is C++ (and mybe C)
Chivo  Account Info

\n is a newline, but the specific octect(s) depends on the OS. Unix uses LF (line feed, ASCII 10), Windows uses CR & LF (carriage return & line feed, ASCII 13 & 10), and other systems use different combinations. This is the cause of headaches when transferring text (so -called "ASCII" files, as opposed to "binary" files) between Unix and Windows (usually just Unix to Windows, since Unix has good support for the "other" line ending).

Reply to this comment    30 May 2003, 01:38 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
Soth  Account Info
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The way a good compiler works, the error will nearly alway be the first line. Bearing in mind the compiler can only find syntax errors.

Had an error a short while ago in asmebley - two weeks later the code was scraped and written from scratch. (the error being that the PIC - microP - was not entering interrupts, an unheard of error). Damn Schematic for the board was wrong, four of the outputs were labeled in reverse.

No debugging of code could find that one.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 02:35 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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The EXACT same thing happened to me in QBASIC... except it was an "END IF"... I put an extra in... I even indented and everything, but I was in at about 10 indents, and it made a lot of "pyramids"... but the way I did it, I forgot an ENDIF in another section, so the program ran, but not correctly. I spent about two hours looking for the simple mistake. I hit myself when I found. It was more of a typing error than anything else.

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 22:01 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
Travis Evans Account Info

10 indents? Wow, I think you really should have broken that program down into subroutines. :-) Something like that is *bound* to cause problems. (QBASIC does support subroutines and functions)

By the way, the TI-89's BASIC interpreter is pretty annoying when it comes to errors, too. Half the time it seems it doesn't even place the cursor exactly where the error occured. I've even had it so happen that the real error was lines away from that! No wonder it takes me forever trying to fix the syntax errors. :-)

Reply to this comment    24 May 2003, 22:19 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
rmohr02 Account Info
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It took you to where the error caused a problem--not necessarily where the error is.

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 02:36 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I think it was just that the code was ineffecient--other than the two hour wait (of trying to find the stupid error), it took me about 5 minutes to write the program ;-)
It just displayed pythagorean triples, but without any reducable repeats (3,4,5 -> 6,8,10)

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 18:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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LOL, I just counted them... it turns out that I have eight (I think I may have taken out of piece of code in there at some time), but it still looks like a huge pyramid.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 14:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Wow, I really like your site... especially the javascript 3d house maze. You might have inspired me to do that! (I got the password by viewing the source)

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 22:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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LOL, I actually went around with my digital camera and took tons of pictures of my house from different viewpoints... but making the JS program might take time.

Reply to this comment    21 May 2003, 22:27 GMT


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angelboy Account Info

You should have it perload the images.

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 22:45 GMT


Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Good idea, but it would take FOREVER. There's >100 images there, ya know.

Reply to this comment    24 May 2003, 17:06 GMT


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angelboy Account Info

Preload the images 2 deep, but make sure it doesn't do it multiple times to the same image.

Reply to this comment    24 May 2003, 21:59 GMT


Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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What??? Could you rephrase that?

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 18:52 GMT

Re: Re: ~
slimey_limey  Account Info
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preload only the images that can be reached from the current location.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 03:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Oh... I get it. :) Thanks

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:34 GMT

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angelboy Account Info

The code would be simple. Have the browser check for all of the images around the picture, and the ones that have not been preloaded already (make an array), have the browser preload it. It would be best to then do this two pictures deep.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 03:08 GMT


Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Yeah, but it would still run slowly... but the good part is, the images would load instantainiously (holy crap, I think I spelled that wrong), when it was ready...

A preload at the beginning, IMO, would be best.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:36 GMT


~
angelboy Account Info

But a preload at the beginning would take forever. And no, it wouldn't go slowly my way, especially if you are revisiting places.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 01:54 GMT


Re: Re: ~
Chivo  Account Info

This can be done in JavaScript easily. I forget the exact way, but it's something like "var something = new Image('<URL of image>');". I haven't used JS in a while now, so that may be wrong. Anyway, that line of JS tells the browser to load the image.

I also know there's some way for JS to know when the image has downloaded completely, but I've forgotten how that's done. I used to use it all the time with rollover images (an image that changes on mouse over, such as light up), and you don't want to display a rollover image unless it's downloaded already.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 21:18 GMT


Re: Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I haven't used preloading code in a long time, because it was a pain ;-) JS is definitely the best language for spiffing up webpages. :)

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:37 GMT


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angelboy Account Info

JS is best when it reprograms itself...it took me a while to figure out how to do that one.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 01:55 GMT


Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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What do you mean by "reprograms itself"?

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 14:37 GMT


Re: ~
DarkSideProgramming  Account Info

~Yay~
Slackers, unite!!
Why do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow?
-Procrastinator's Code
I spend about 3 hours per day programming during school, and about one at home between yells from Slavemastericus mommicus :)

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 16:38 GMT


Re: Re: ~
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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LOL ;-)

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:38 GMT

Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Wow... I thought I was the only sophmore who is taking AP Comp Sci. Java is gonna be impossible next year... ugh.

Reply to this comment    17 May 2003, 00:09 GMT

Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
Barrett Anderson  Account Info
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you guys must be very proud of yourselves.

Reply to this comment    17 May 2003, 01:40 GMT

Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
Doug Temple Account Info

I agree with that ugh. (going to take APCS next year)

What's up with high-level programming!? Why not just program in something like C or Assembly? Java is sloooooow because of its interpreter.

I spend 1+ hours per day programming - around 11 per week, mostly in C++ for Comp Sci 2, although some is in TI83+ basic and assembly, and on average only a few minutes per day on flash.

-Doug

Reply to this comment    17 May 2003, 04:39 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
angelboy Account Info

Most Computer Science AP classes only offer Java, not C++

Reply to this comment    17 May 2003, 18:44 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
Nathan Crank  Account Info
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My school offers Java and C++, but you can only get honors credit with Java, which is retarded..

Reply to this comment    17 May 2003, 21:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
q x  Account Info

Java is the best one!, I've taken C++ and have learned
that it is not really the universal progrmming language,
Java is - it works on any system compatable with java so
you only have to program once for it (your prgm) to be totally 'port'able!

Reply to this comment    19 May 2003, 19:48 GMT

Java != fast
RCTParRoThEaD_ Account Info
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Java is slow and inefficent like old people in bed.

Reply to this comment    19 May 2003, 20:47 GMT


QBASIC <> fast
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I remember the first time you said that... LOL

Reply to this comment    19 May 2003, 22:02 GMT


But QBASIC is phun and 1337!
ac  Account Info

LOL.

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 13:55 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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C++ is still a better programming language IMNSHO.

Reply to this comment    19 May 2003, 22:03 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
RCTParRoThEaD_ Account Info
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Java buttsucks. It's slow, and a high level programming language.

Reply to this comment    22 May 2003, 17:32 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Isn't C a high-level programming langauge as well? I thought low-level was only reserved for stuff like assembly, that compiled directly to the machine language. I could be wrong (as always).

Maybe somebody should give an actual definition of low-level and high-level languages.

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 22:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
jrock7286  Account Info

I thought C was high-level too...hey...I'm BACK! I was grounded from the computer for a week!! Java is definitely "higher" level programming than C though...also WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY slower....write a program that counts to 1,000,000,000 displaying each number in each of the languages and the C one'll be done way earlier

Reply to this comment    24 May 2003, 22:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
rmohr02 Account Info
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Machine Code is lower than ASM is lower than C is lower than C++ is lower than Java is lower than Perl is lower than BASIC is lower than VB.

So C is a relatively low-level language, but is much higher than assembly.

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 02:28 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
rmohr02 Account Info
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And you might be able to move those last three languages around some--I'm not sure which of the three would be higher.

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 05:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I dunno... if VB is for "non-programmers", then maybe it's at the top.

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 18:53 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
rmohr02 Account Info
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Well, "high-level" generally refers to the amount of work already done for you in terms of libraries, modules, etc. Perl has thousands of modules, many of which are fairly easy to use. I doubt VB has quite as many.

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I should learn PERL again... I forgot it all now :( I never really got to use it, since telnetting was such a pain, and that my old server's cgi-bin <rct's word>buttsucked</rct's word>.

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See link. It's a little confusing to find the binary download, but I remember having to click on the source download to see the binary.

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ActivePerl?

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ActivePerl is the official Win32 port of Perl.

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Is that the one that you want me to download? Will this let me run PERL progs at home or on a server that doesn't support it?

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It will let you run Perl stuff at home. Perl is, at it's heart, a scripting language. It just happens to be used for many web applications as well. If you want to run perl scripts on a server, I recommend simply putting Linux on an old computer, putting the scripts in /var/www/cgi-bin, and accessing via the localhost. If you have a decent internet connection, you can host a webpage by having a dyndns.org sub-domain point to your IP.

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My internet connection is pretty slow... 56K lol

Probably, the only reason that I'd want PERL is for file i/o on the server (guestbooks, counters, highscores, etc.)... the stuff that JS can't do alone :)

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Visual Basic at the top of that tree? I doubt it.
Also, I think Java is higher than Perl.

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I'm not familiar with Java, so I can't make many valid comparisons with it.

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It's easy to do simple things in Java that work on any platform, but it's next to impossible to do complicated things that work reliably on any platform. If you want a true cross-platform environment, look at wxWindows and Mozilla.

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Answers a few things together...

Low level is a language machine oriented and not 'English' oriented. ie Machine and assembler (asm being just hex in words) anything else is high level.

C is one of the most 'basic' languages. closest to asm, and therefore will do nearly anything.
C++ is a tweaked version of C and is OO.

Java, Ha. Please pull the other one.
Very restrictive, very slow.
Can write piece of code that will work on any machine. BUT ONLY WITH A JAVA RTE. so there is a slight deception here. Any language can do the same. the Run Time Environment is much like an emulator (don't take me literally).
Even Atari / C64 / M$ / Speccy, C code will work under linux or even any other system - with no corretcion or recompiling - you just need the emulator. That is all that Java does.

The most universal languages must surely be C / C++

C can do 'anything' (it in theory does all that asm can do but is 10% less efficient) - If you think you can right asm for the x86 just stop being so stupid - YOU CAN'T. It can be done, just not by you.

C++ is a bit more ineffiecient but has OO as 'an advantage'. Other than that it is just C.

Java was designed for a 'language' that needs only be written once.

Perl is a scripting language - If I am correct in what I believe please don't compare to C etc - it has a different use in life.

Basic is a bit of fun.

VB / VC++ is a joke and if anyone here uses it I may just come and kill you.
Whahhahahahaha

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Let me add one thing about MSVC++: MS dumbs down their tools (compilers, IDE's, etc.) all the time in hopes of attracting more programmers (just my theory), but that makes them more painful to use by good programmers. I hope those programmers will see the light side and use GCC and the host of other excellent tools. GCC is, in fact, the Great American Compiler everyone dreams about writing.

What IDE do you use? bash is my IDE of choice!

Cheers!

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I prefer emacs and tcsh.

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Bash as in bourne again..?
This isn't an IDE.
And IDE is an integrated developement environment. Meant solelyfor programming (MPLAB for PICs is a good example).
You can write your code.
Compile your code.
and simulate your code with the one piece of software.

But to get away from me being a bit to pedantic.

I use Xemacs / GCC.

Have recently finished using MPLAB as I had a task of programming a PIC for uni. The joy of it.

.... I also dream of being good looking. Well that's as likely as being able to program a compiler.

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You can write code in bash--but only if you hate yourself:

echo "#include <iostream>" > hello.cpp
echo "int main ( ) {" >> hello.cpp
echo "cout << \"Hello\";" >> hello.cpp
echo "}" >> hello.cpp
g++ -o hello hello.cpp
./hello

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I found out over easter that all the emacs key-bindings work under bash. This is really useful.

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Ditto for tcsh. Pretty cool.

FYI, I only tried C-space, C-W and C-Y

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This functionality resides in Readline. Readline can be configured to behave like Emacs (the default) or like vi.

Just my 2 cents.

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So if I configured it to work like vi I'd have to type "i" before typing in a command?

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Truthfully, I have no idea. I just learned a little about Readline in the bash man page.

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Bourne Again Shell sure is an IDE... it has vi and gcc. They're not part of the same program really, but neither are other IDE's (they usually have separate compilers and editors too).

I actually do a bit of hacking with only vi as my editor, but for larger programs (more than 20 lines), I use a different editor, like NEdit. Either way, I still go to the command line and compile with gcc/g++, either directly or via make.

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Bash is a shell
GCC is a compiler.
Vi Nano Pico Emacs et al are text editors.

An IDE is a piece of software that contains.
Text editor
Compiler
Simulation software.

Although seperate programs can be found for this, and bash can be used to run them bash is not an IDE it is a shell. There is a difference.

IDEs can not do what the likes of bash do - they are solely for programming.
Bash is used to execute programs etc. It just so happens there are program that can be combined to do all these functions.

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A lot of stock Wincrap programs are made in VC++, if not most of Windows. If it needs MSVCRT##.DLL, then it's VC++.
Also, VB isn't that bad... You can make fairly good stuff with it.

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I think they should stick to C++... it's really so much better than Java... plus, more people use C++. (I agree about Java being sloooooooow)

As for how much I program a week... it's about six hours. I know that it doesn't seem like much, but for the number to be higher, I'd have to be working on some major project, and as of right now, I'm not, which isn't a good thing. :(

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C++ is much better than Java - what about C#? Isn't that meant to be quite good?

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*shrug* I've never used C# before. Is it similar to C or C++?

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I think it's a cross between C++ and Java - basically, a powerful form of Java.
I gave up on C - I wrote a game in which you have to shoot my spinning head that bounces around the screen (using the Allegro libraries), but the language was too horrible.

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I only use C for TIGCC.

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Ah.
Allegro makes graphics programming quite easy - but not exactly fast (unless you use it in 8-bit mode - urgh)

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Ahh--another argument about programming languages. Simply put, different languages are for different things:

C is the fastest language
C++ is close, and OO
Perl is the best for processing text (IMHO)
Java is good for beginning CS students because it doesn't let you get as sloppy with code as C++ lets you
C# is C without the overhead of header files
Python is for text processing for people who hate Perl
VB is for non-programmers

All of the above except Perl, Python, and obviously VB are faster than assembly--C, for instance, is converted to assembly code by gcc and then assembled. The assembly code produced is much more efficient than hand-coded assembly.

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6 hours
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No compiler can produce code that cannot be bettered by an experienced assembly programmer. But they can come close, like GCC does.

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It would have to be a very experienced assembly programmer, and if you factor in time required to code and debug the program, C beats ASM.

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if you were experienced (I'm not saying that rmohr is inexperienced, mind you), you could take the assembly output from GCC (before it's assembled) and hand-optimize that.

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check out the instruction set for x86s.
I've not seen it myself, and I intend to not look for it.

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Those are some very good arguments for each language. What do you have to say about QB or Javascript? LOL

Javascript was a beginner language for me, though I've done some fun stuff with it.
Qbasic is for making mini programs FAST, but the language [definitely] isn't as flexible as C++. *cry*

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JavaScript has it's uses. But JavaScript can do many extremely annoying things. Thus, I block almost all JavaScript stuff except for mouseover stuff, and I refuse to respect websites that use JavaScript extensively.

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I only dislike websites that use copy+paste code. I always write my own.

Javascript can do just about everything, except file i/o. It can make some cool effects, though.

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What do you mean by file I/O?

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Opening a file, writing to it, and saving the changes. JavaScript can sorta do this with cookies.

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I know, and it's very helpful, but it would also be nice if JS could read/write to files on the server. That way, you could maintain highscores, counters, guestbooks, etc. very easily. Maybe IE will allow that in it's next browser version

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IE won't allow that--IE has mangled JavaScript to where it's nearly unusable.

JavaScript is interpreted client-side, so it has no access to the server. If you want to maintain highscores or something similar, use Perl or PHP.

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Usually the servers that I get don't support it, but I might be getting website space soon, so I can check that out (it says it supports perl)

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Perl all the way! that is gonna be so big...I still like C++ though.

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Yes, Perl is extremely cool, but, IMHO, it's only really good for console and web stuff. C and C++ are much better languages to build GUI stuff from.

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About the speeds. This is an unfair arguement.
Written properly C can be gotten < 10% more INeffiecient than asm.
On something like a CISC such as AMDs et al asmebler is extremely complex and virtually impossible to get good code in (which is where you arguement has merit).
On a RISC processor, Z80 for example asm will always be more efficient than compiled code as writting asm for RISC chips is as easy as writing C (okay matter of opinion I just perfer Asm as it takes less remembering how to use different commands).

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As the above poster said, a very experienced ASM programmer can do better than gcc can at making assembly code, but then, how many experienced x86 assembly programmers are there?

Your point about other architectures is valid though--I'm just used to x86.

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I'm a semi-fluent x86 ASM-er.

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Z80 is NOT a RISC processor. It is CISC, just as 80x86 microprocessors are. Alpha, Sparc, etc. are RISC processors.

Whatever the case, programmer errors per 10,000 lines holds the same regardless of language, and assembly programs most typically have many more lines than the equivalent C program (I would say about 3-5 times as many, depending on the architecture).

There are many other advantages to using C over ASM, so good advice is to use C except in places that need bleeding-edge performance (even C can sometimes provide that) AFTER doing performance tuning. As we should all know, premature optimization is the root of all evil. Writing in assembly for computer performance is premature optimization (of course, if you're writing for some 8-bit processor of many years ago, writing in ASM is just common sense and is sometimes the only option).

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My bad. Stand corrected.

What I meant is that a processor without a stupid amount of commands / interrupts is relatively easy to write in asm. Take the 16F84 with ~35 instructions. asm is easier for me than C at this level and Will always be more efficient.

And as has been said by me and rmhor On something like a modern x86 you would be mad to try and create something in asm.

All I was getting at is that programmed correctly asm is always faster than C.

And there are a lot of processors out there that can easily be programmed in C and asm.

I was just being a little pedantic, because if we let people believe something slightly not true than by the end of next week you will be a turkey and I will be having a party in a tortoise.

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I simply prefer C but because it's nearly the same on every architecture--I don't have to keep track of what architecture I'm currently on.

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Damn straight.
It's a great language.

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You'll be having a party with a tortoise?! When and where will it be? :-)

HLL compilers are good at medium-level optimizing, whereas assembly programmers are, I would argue, better at low-level optimizing. By focusing on the a program at a low level, a programmer might overlook a more global (higher-level) optimization that would give the program better overall performance. In addition, compilers usually make low-level sacrifices (overhead) in order to get higher-level gains in performance.

That is my "proof" that assembly programmers do not always produce faster code than a compiler. (I just re-read what you wrote: "...programmed correctly asm is always faster than C." Of course asm that is programmed correctly is always faster than C, but assembly programmers are not always able to program 'correctly', meaning in the best way possible, for reasons I've pointed out already)

Now I will partly agree with you, I do believe that assembly programmers can usually (if not always) produce low-level code that is faster/smaller than a C compiler's output, but I maintain that a compiler can produce overall better code for an entire project than hand-written assembly.

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We are chasing each others tail.

You are thinking solely of things like AMD chips etc. where C code will be more efficient because programming asm for these is madness.

There are a _HUGE_ amount of chips where asm is more efficient then C. You just don't use them as we are all just used to the likes of Macs and x86s.
I agree that C is best for what we normally do.
But you try programming a 10msec delay in C. - It MUST have asm optimisation.


Oh, I said IN a tortoise not with.
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Yeah, I think we're chasing our tails.

OK, now we both agree completely (I think), except with one point about a 10ms delay: you would probably do it by programming a hardware timer using C, unless the computer is running an OS that supports small delays like that (which is probably all modern OS's). If the hardware doesn't have a timer, then of course you would need at least a little assembly to get accurate timing.

I hope this should settle the issue now.

BTW, I noticed you said IN a tortoise but only after I posted my comment.

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And now Microsoft has a new language called F#. (Is # a wildcard character? F??? comes to mind.

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HAHA :) Seriously... F#? What the mofo is that?

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It's supposedly a combination of imperative languages (Lisp, Haskell) and functional languages (C, C++, Java). I don't know how it works, but I doubt MS will make a compiler for Linux, so I won't bother trying it.

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Well, with a name like F#, I wouldn't bother. ;-)

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C#
C octothorpe
C hash
C pound
C gate

what ever you want to call it. (America # = pound, elswhere # is the rest mention, typically hash.)

The language was formed by M$ in a desperate struggle to further an already dying monopoly.

Many of the beta testers apparantly described it as C# (Complete Hash) joke works better if you aren't from USA.

It has the flexability of Java, the speed of java, and the programming easy of C. That is C that has gone wrong.
It is a big waste of time.

Java is better.
Hell VB is better, At least it is User Friendly.

The last two comments are slightly Biased, but I would actually never use C# myself. The comment just before the last three - is true.

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C# = C-Sharp

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Damn can't believe I missed that one. I used to play the cornet as well.

So C# can stand for so many different things. Of which M$ would never admit to the true one....

_C_omplete Hash

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No really, C# = C-Sharp...

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I know, I used to play the piano LOL

What about C-flat? :)

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Cb=B

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Oh yeah, that's right... LOL it's been two years, so I forgot some of this stuff (that's pretty bad) :)

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Soth  Account Info
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I thought the last official comment from M$ on this matter was " ". I thought it was just C# - where do you get sharp from - have you read the book seen the M$ website or did someone tell you?

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 18:42 GMT


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Chivo  Account Info

Do you mean to say that M$ hasn't said anything?

As for me, I heard about C# ("C sharp") from an acquaintance in high school. I don't know where he heard about it (probably from one of his friends).

Reply to this comment    30 May 2003, 01:41 GMT


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Soth  Account Info
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Reading on theregister a while ago about it. - there was a big flame war on whether they should even have this discussion - They were discussing what it was called and what it should be called.
No one submitting seemed able to find what the thing was supposed to be called, and this is a site where if you go 'what colour is the Queens undies' there will be a few people mailing in with the correct answer in under an hour.

I thing the idea is that people call it what they like - it'll never catch on anyway.

Reply to this comment    31 May 2003, 00:49 GMT

Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
Benjamin Alan  Account Info

The high school I'm going to next year probably won't let me take AP computer science that early. I won't even have a chance to do a programming class (which by the way is ALL java :( ) next year. I hope I'll be able to do something sophmore year.

Reply to this comment    18 May 2003, 21:23 GMT


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Don't complain about the language. You're being taught programming practices--the language is just a tool. If you don't believe me, well, look at this language (remove the space): http://www.everything2.com/index.pl? node=Resolve%20C%2B%2B

That description isn't quite true, but it's reasonably close. Also, this is a good read (see above): http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~weide/ sce/rcpp/FAQ/curtin.html

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 05:19 GMT


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Soth  Account Info
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You are spot on right.

They shouldn't be teaching you the language, just the technique. They only use java because it is cross platform and easy to understand.

The most important thing to learn with programming is...

DFD - design.
Documentation.
Commenting. (every line in asm / most lines in HL)
Testing
Debugging.
Documentation.

Whether the code works is irrelevent.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 03:01 GMT

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rmohr02 Account Info
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Well, they do want you to be able to get working code, but documentation is more important--if you commented what you did properly and can't get something to work, someone else can probably use your code (including comments) and fix it.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 15:16 GMT


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Chivo  Account Info

I would argue against commenting EVERY line in ASM. I think a better way is to put a comment on one line that describes WHAT several lines do before (or after) the comment instead of exactly HOW they do it.

Even though ASM is a low-level language, you can still think in high-level terms. I usually comment my programs in this high-level way.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 21:45 GMT


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Soth  Account Info
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No No No No no. You just hasven't met one of my lecturers. (Well any of them really). He wanted _every_ line of code commented.
A mate had a few sheets of code, with every line commented - it was absured.

The amount of times you get:
movlw 0x01 ;Move 00000001 into wreg

and other useless comments was scarey. But if that's what gets us the mark......

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 13:41 GMT

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Chivo  Account Info

OOOHHH! You mean in programming CLASSES, not programming REALITY.

Commenting every line in ASM can be very scary, and a teacher that requires it is even scarier.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 22:19 GMT


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Soth  Account Info
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He is Welsh.

And my flat mate is playing the Hovis theme with a toy whistle??????

(Hovis being a loaf of bread in UK.)

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 01:18 GMT


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man, you are really british.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 18:08 GMT


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Soth  Account Info
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Why have you just said that now?

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 18:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
CajunLuke

I'm in CompSci I, and we finished everything, so the teacher is starting Java for those going into AP CompSci II. It's really not all that hard. It's just that everything is in a class (or two).

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 19:32 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
CajunLuke

Continued from last:
Instead of using

cout << "mystring\n";

to print to the screen, you use

System.out.println("mystring");

or

System.out.print("mystring\n");

Yes, you must ude the capital S in System.

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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Oh, I remember that now. System.out.println(); It seems... bulky. Who wants to type about 20 characters just to display a STRING?

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 22:53 GMT


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jrock7286  Account Info

21...lol

Reply to this comment    24 May 2003, 22:52 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I said about. ;-) It was an estimation.

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 18:56 GMT

Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I will next year, as a sophomore.

Reply to this comment    17 May 2003, 19:11 GMT

Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
Stephen Sanders  Account Info
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You guys are lucky to have AP Comp Sci as a class. During my four years of high school I have lobbied the principal to put it back on the schedule every year. Unfortunatly, his reply was that I would probably be the only one in the class (its a small school, 990 students and I think I am the only one who knows any programming at the school).

Oh well, at Berkeley next year I will be able to take as much programming as I want!

Reply to this comment    18 May 2003, 06:12 GMT

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kusinagii  Account Info

Unforunatly at most small schools there is only on or two who can program any thing like here I am the only one who can program the calculators (I want some competition)<-thats why I came here

Reply to this comment    19 May 2003, 18:29 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I know what that's like... nobody in my programming class can go five minutes without asking me for help with the stupidest problems. AWWGG.

Reply to this comment    19 May 2003, 22:05 GMT


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benryves  Account Info
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We used to run a VB6 club here (at which I sat and offered my "wisdom")... so I know how you feel!

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 09:17 GMT


People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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It gets annoying, though, when the make the sames mistakes over and over again. I should start making a book of each stupid mistake that they all make. Here's my favorite of today:

FOR t = i + 1 TO x
...
NEXT x

Reply to this comment    20 May 2003, 22:55 GMT


Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
CajunLuke

What language is that?

Reply to this comment    22 May 2003, 16:20 GMT


Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Merthsoft

VB, i assume

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 02:24 GMT

Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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It's an ATTEMPT at QB.

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 22:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Merthsoft

Hmm, yes, I does look like QB, I knew that lnaguage, but then I got my calculator, and forgot about it :)

Reply to this comment    26 May 2003, 17:12 GMT


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QB is a fun language. It's so... easy.

Reply to this comment    26 May 2003, 23:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Merthsoft
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TI basic is easier...

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 03:49 GMT


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Chivo  Account Info

It may be easier for some things, but it is more restrictive than QB.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 21:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Merthsoft
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Hmm, good point...

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:12 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Chivo  Account Info

...of course you have to look at the platform too. QB runs on general-purpose machines, whereas TI-BASIC runs on graphing calculators. Their apples and oranges; you can't compare them.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:44 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Merthsoft
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Yeah, but i still love my calculator

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 22:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Chivo  Account Info

I love my calculators too! I'm even writing a letter to TI to get their support of Free Software like Linux to run on the TI-89/92+/V200. Then they can be more like general-purpose computers!

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 22:54 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Merthsoft
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What a novel idea, but what about us cheap-os who can't afford that heavy dudy calcs (no offence to those with a TI-83+, its realy the only good once under the 89 (no offence to those with under 83+)), I know it wouldn't be as easy to port Linux to those, but hey, someone could do it :), or a brand new Linux calc, or a Gui run off of Unix, like a Unix-windows, oooh....

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 01:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Chivo  Account Info

Well, for technical reasons *nix would be darn near impossible to run on 8-bit computers without being incredibly crippled (e.g., no multitasking).

OTOH, it is very feasible to run *nix on 16-bit computers (like the TI-89) because, for one thing, *nix ran on a 16-bit computer originally (UNICS (very first spelling of it) was much more restricted, though). Also, I believe the TI-89 has more memory and is faster than the PDP-7 (the original Unix computer).

I think it's amusing to know that Unix was originally written for a machine (PDP-7) that was considered underpowered to run "real" operating systems. The PDP-7 was intended to be only a terminal for a mainframe. So now I think history will repeat itself somewhat if we put Linux on *mere* calculators. :-)

Imagine being able to network your calculators (well, yours and all of your friends' calcs) transparently and transferring files while playing games or making calculations or drawing a graph. That's multitasking, baby!

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Chivo  Account Info

Whoops! I guess there's a first for everything, isn't there?

I misspelled "they're" as "their". I must be slipping or something. The rest of you guys are slipping too! You didn't correct me!!

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 22:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Merthsoft
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too tired to do that, I am sick, and that prevents me from doing much... or thinking much, but oh, i love to program too much to stop...

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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I know, and it's slower too. Blah.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: People that shouldn't be programming (j/k)
Michael O'Brien  Account Info
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I've never personally used VB, but I've been able to provide a lot of help to others from experience with TI-BASIC. Both of those languages are too limited.

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 22:18 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I know... it was too limited to integrate David Coz's 3D graphics drawing methods. :(

Reply to this comment    24 May 2003, 17:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
rmohr02 Account Info
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I doubt you'll have much in programming courses your first couple quarters. Personally, I didn't take a programming course until my second quarter, but during my second quarter I learned fairly advanced C, the basics of C++, Perl, and how to use Unix/Linux/Solaris. Only the C, C++, and a small amount of the Unix/Linux/Solaris stuff was in class though.

Reply to this comment    25 May 2003, 02:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
Soth  Account Info
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Ah Linux, sweet sweet Linux!

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 03:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
Chivo  Account Info

I'm even writing this in Konqueror in KDE on a Slackware GNU/Linux system. I'm getting fed up with Win98 and the rest of my family's groundless fascination with it. I mean, it crashes a LOT, and it even grinds to a halt after it's been on for a few hours (if it manages to stay up that long).

I've been watching the processor usage on there, and it just gradually increases the longer it's on, even when supposedly nothing is happening (i.e., not even moving the mouse). It's usually around 100% when it grinds to a halt.

On the other hand, I run Linux and it's almost bliss. My cable modem Internet connection is about 4 times as fast, and the rest of the system is just faster overall. I can even run several Windows programs using Wine: Solitaire, Notepad, Paint, WordPad, Word (almost), Freecell, File Manager, Program Manager, and Minesweeper.

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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I saw Linux for the first time yesterday, and it looks like a big copy of Windows... the GUI is very similar. I don't know why people complain about the Windows GUI, if the Linux one looks that similar to it. Also, the XP that was also on the computer (it could dual-boot) ran faster.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 22:47 GMT

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rmohr02 Account Info
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I'm going to assume you're referring to KDE. KDE does look similar to the Windows GUI at first, but then you realize you can have multiple desktops among many other things. Also, KDE is slow. I use Enlightenment.

However, look through all of the settings fpr KDE (or GNOME or whatever desktop environment you want to try) before comparing it to the Windows GUI.

Parent of parent:
> I can even run several Windows programs using Wine: Solitaire, Notepad, Paint,
> WordPad, Word (almost), Freecell, File Manager, Program Manager, and Minesweeper.

There are native linux equivalents for all of those programs (except "File Manager" and "Program Manager", to which I don't know what you are referring).

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 23:32 GMT

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Soth  Account Info
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xnc and midnight commander are hust two of the linux file managers.

But what do you want them for anyway.
Bash etc are just so much more powerful and easy.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 01:26 GMT


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rmohr02 Account Info
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Well, he referred to "File Manager" as if he ran it under Wine. I prefer bash, but I'd like rm to send stuff to a recycle bin instead of just wiping it.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 02:31 GMT

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Chivo  Account Info

I tried to run those programs under Wine just to see if I could. I use native Linux programs when I can, but there are a small number of Windows programs I kind of need, like Juno. In fact, I think Juno is the only Win32 program I really use in Linux.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 22:22 GMT


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AndySoft  Account Info
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How do you use Juno in Wine? IIRC, Juno can't dial under Wine...

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 01:11 GMT

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rmohr02 Account Info
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I'm by no means an expert, but I'd assume you have to be root to use dial-up networking.

Reply to this comment    30 May 2003, 00:29 GMT


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Chivo  Account Info

No, Juno can't dial under Wine. I have cable Internet access, and in fact my Internet access under GNU/Linux is over FOUR TIMES as fast as it is under DOS (Windows).

The only thing I've found that doesn't work correctly in Juno under Wine is the HTML rendering. That's because Juno depends on IE to show its mail and browse the Web.

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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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The CD that installed it said Red Hat on it... if that leads to what it was...

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 14:46 GMT


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rmohr02 Account Info
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Then it's probably GNOME, but GNOME's default and KDE's default aren't dissimilar by much.

Reply to this comment    30 May 2003, 00:31 GMT


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Soth  Account Info
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Linux looks nothing like, feels nothing like, crashes nothing like windows.

KDE and Gnome have an initial setup like win98, this is to make it easy for people to move from winX to linux.
Things like blackbox UDE etc, are very 'small', powerful and are very unique. I have no strat button / task bar on my desktop. It is just a slowly changing colour. Ahh floatbg.

Linux has only crashed once on me. And the output it gave on dying told me the exact problem with my machine - I had a naff stick of RAM.

Win98 needs > 5 reboots.
Linux needs 1.

All bar specific software such as certain CAD and games have Linux equivalence.

Why do we use linux. Because we can. It is FREE, it is extremely powerful and efficient. It is highly customisable. It is fun to use. We are unique.

I can guarantee that XP could never run faster on my machine than the current linux setup I am running.

Debian Woody. 2.4.20 XDM & UDE.
Just to confuse and amuse.

Also, I will this summer start work on a new linux graphical RPG. It will be BIG and hopefully very playable. Me and my brother are writing the story for it now.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 01:22 GMT

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rmohr02 Account Info
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I couldn't get startx to work in Debian Woody, so I'm currently using Gentoo. I've gotten tired of working through the Debian install process, so I'm going to buy Libranet and try it. Base Debian/Stable detected my network card fine, so Libranet should too (but strangely, Knoppix did not).

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 02:33 GMT

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Chivo  Account Info

Have you configured X correctly? X is somewhat tricky to configure and run with some graphics cards, especially with really new or really old cards or with older versions of XFree86.

Reply to this comment    28 May 2003, 22:57 GMT


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Soth  Account Info
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Given this is a site about calcs. You think they could have a forum like this soley for troubleshooting anything. Comps through to washing machines through to family.
Or is that familyshooting?

There is a lot to look into with X to find out why startx doesn'tact. And we really need another forum to deal with it.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 01:21 GMT


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rmohr02 Account Info
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I probably haven't configured X correctly, but I'm not experienced with the Debian install process, and RedHat (back when I used it) worked fine, and I had a friend experienced with Gentoo install my current system.

I do know of someone a couple floors above me who runs Debian, so I'm going to try to find him this weekend and see if he can help me configure X.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 16:30 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I thought it looked like Windows...


And still, why do people say that Windows crashes so much? Mine never crashes (Win98) and people say that it's very unstable. Of course, 98SE is more stable than the other 98 versions. And it's not because I don't use it--heck, I'm on it every free chance I get. It doesn't even lag (unless I use CalcEm, but I'm blaming that on the program, not the OS). And beyond that, the GUI isn't ugly, all the Linux users don't like the GUI and say it's ugly, but I think it looks nice... well anyway, I'm done with this comment....
*cry* don't bash my pretty 98 *cry*

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 14:55 GMT


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Soth  Account Info
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Windows 98 is NOT stable.
It may work on some machines fine.
But others, it has real issues with. - If it says it supports the hardware it should do so.

I have never been able to install windows 98 the first time without it needing a formatting and reinstall, and the next time I hope to find a more compatible driver pick 'n' mix.
Even then I have had to reinstall again at times.

Many people using linux don't like the GUI, it doesn't mean others shouldn't and doesn't mean it looks awful.
It just means that they want the ability to do what they want with there 1000+ piece of silicon and metal.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 18:53 GMT

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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Maybe Win98 runs differently on different computers. Ours isn't a certain brand, it was assembled for us at a computer store (so, it's customized). It's a lot cheaper that way, but it runs just as well.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2003, 21:57 GMT


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Soth  Account Info
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It is solely down to different hardware in the machine. If the drivers between windows and the hardware disagree then you have trouble. There are some other stability problems as well, but they aren't quite as frequent or obvious.

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rmohr02 Account Info
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On the other hand, Debian supports more architectures than any other operating system.

Reply to this comment    30 May 2003, 00:32 GMT

Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
acr34  Account Info
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10th graders in AP comp-sci unite against the evil fishes! And get 5's on the exam, right? Please tell me I'm right!

Reply to this comment    18 May 2003, 16:35 GMT

Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
rmohr02 Account Info
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You do nothing outside of class for that? O well, I wish I could have taken that to have some experience.

But now, in the third quarter of my first year of college, I'm spending 35-45 hours per week programming (so yes, I chose "10 or more").

I spend about 20-30 hours a week, out of class, working on a small robot (see link). Then I spend 5-10 hours per week working on my weekly programming assignment in CIS. Then, I'm in my CIS class 4 days per week for an hour or so. Finally, I spend 2-3 hours per week adding to my knowledge of Perl.

Reply to this comment    23 May 2003, 02:58 GMT

Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
baddie

i have regular comupter science

Reply to this comment    26 May 2003, 23:53 GMT

Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
WackyYKurt88  Account Info
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I don't take that class because I am in 8th grade. I love to program in basic and in html and C++ though. I do it all the time. Me and my friend have 15 soon to b like 30 programs on this site. Cause I am going to send them all into 83+ soon enough. Though I will take that class in high school next year.

Reply to this comment    27 May 2003, 02:29 GMT

Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
takplayer

I got a 5 on my APCS test as a Junior. I program about 5 hours in class and another 7-10 out of class per week.

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Re: Re: How much time per week do you spend programming?
AIMSoft  Account Info

I wonder if I'm the youngest one here... I'm in middle school, so I have plenty of time to program in class. Who needs L.A?

AYBABTU!!!

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