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Calculators vs. PDAs
Posted by Nick on 13 June 2002, 01:22 GMT

CNN has recently put out an article (discussion also on Slashdot) regarding the slow but definitely palpable convergence of graphing calculators and PDAs. Since TI has essentially cornered the graphing calculator market (others would be quick to debate that, but it's what I think), the article places major focus on their business strategy (FLASH on the 83+, Voyage 200, and so forth) and its relation to Palm's inclinations towards mathematical applications and suchandsuch. This is definitely worth mulling over and discussing. Go!

 


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Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Ultra_64  Account Info

Will this PDA thingy be included or featured for the TI-89 too? If so, that'll be cool!

     13 June 2002, 05:17 GMT

Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
shakey_snake  Account Info
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what the heck are you talking about?

     13 June 2002, 16:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Chickendude  Account Info
(Web Page)

beats me...

     13 June 2002, 19:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
nolekid  Account Info

he is either or a moron or acting like one and "thinks" that a pda is a program or interface or something like that. he apparantly doesn't know the pda is personal digital assistant, ie Palm.

     13 June 2002, 21:48 GMT

Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
lord_nightrose Account Info
(Web Page)

*WHACK*
Don't post unless you have a brain. Thank you.

     14 June 2002, 22:07 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
no_one_2000_  Account Info
(Web Page)

Scarecrow From Wizard of Oz: HI!

     14 June 2002, 23:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Chivo  Account Info

What would you do with a brain if you had one?

     15 June 2002, 01:47 GMT


Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Scott Noveck  Account Info
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See the Web Page link. . . as we "in the know" know, it's coming. . .

-Scott

     16 June 2002, 08:36 GMT

Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
dingleberry98

Listen, let's face it:

NEITHER THE TI OR THE PALM/POCKETPC PLATFORM IS BETTER

The TIs is the least powerful and least flexible for high end multimedia, but it's cheap and it does its job.

Palms are quite flexible and have a large library of free software available, and can come with a variety of options to suit your needs.

PocketPCs are the kings as far as power but are expensive too. They have the most flexibility and can be easily programmed for. I've actually been working on a TI emulator for this platform.

As you can see, none are completely superior. TIs will probably stay in the classroom, but for more complex portably graphing solutions (such as physics), PDAs will no doubt lead the way.

     13 June 2002, 20:19 GMT


Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Torael  Account Info

no, in physics and stuff a good COMPUTER will no doubt lead the way, not some crappy Palm! I can see it now....
Deranged Physicist - "mwahahahah, now I just need to solve this equation and I can take over the world!"
Palm (text) - "Insert equation now."
Deranged Physicist (typing) "umm...go faster. Faster. FASTER! AHHHH, DAMN THIS CRAPPY 33mhz PROCESSOR!"

     14 June 2002, 02:24 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Samir Ribic  Account Info
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Especially, if the Deranged Physicist is Steven Hopkins who can not even speak without computer, but who is capable to solve Schrodinger's equations in the moment of universe creation.

     14 June 2002, 10:02 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Drantin  Account Info

Stephen Hawking, right?

     14 June 2002, 10:48 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
dingleberry98

notice i said PORTABLE graphing solution (well i misspelled it actually, but you get the point...)

     14 June 2002, 18:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Justanotherprogrammer  Account Info

can't...... live..... with..... 33..... must.... need..... INtel.... StrongARM..... 203MHz.....

     15 June 2002, 00:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Michael Vincent  Account Info
(Web Page)

Heh. I'll be laughing at your 203 MHz StrongARM while I'm on my 1.7 GHz Pentium 4 solving the Nobel Prize winning equation :)

     15 June 2002, 19:46 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Justanotherprogrammer  Account Info

and i'll be laughind at all of you becuase I use DUAL Pentium 4 2.7GHz!

     15 June 2002, 20:38 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Torael  Account Info

and I'll be laughing when I send a spike through your connection and my commandos bust into your lab and.....umm, nevermind that.....

     15 June 2002, 23:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
esweecoo  Account Info
(Web Page)

and I'll be laughing when I come back here in 10 years and see a puny almost 3 ghz (ill be at at least 10)

     17 June 2002, 02:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Justanotherprogrammer  Account Info

The one thing we can LAUGH about is the ol days when a 286-based computer was blazingly fast, and a 286 euqipped computer would equal to ~1-2 P4 high-end computers

     17 June 2002, 21:40 GMT


StrongArm 92+
slimey_limey  Account Info

You mean Newton's laws of gravitational interaction for 7 moving interstellar bodies.

     16 June 2002, 01:44 GMT

Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Brett Simmers  Account Info

01000011 01100001 01101100 01100011 01110011 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01101111 01100010 01110110 01101001 01101111 01110101 01110011 01101100 01111001 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01110011 01110100 00101110 00101110 00101110 00101110 00101110 00100000 00100000 01000011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01100001 01101110 01111001 00100000 01101111 01100110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101111 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 00100000 01101110 01100101 01110010 01100100 01110011 00100000 01101000 01100101 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100001 01100011 01110100 01110101 01100001 01101100 01101100 01111001 00100000 01110101 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 01110011 01110100 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01001001 00100111 01101101 00100000 01110011 01100001 01111001 01101001 01101110 01100111 00111111

     14 June 2002, 04:24 GMT

Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
shakey_snake  Account Info
(Web Page)

you're as worthless as your post.

     14 June 2002, 14:05 GMT

Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
ac

Is that supposed to be a sprite that says something?

     14 June 2002, 18:52 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
esweecoo  Account Info
(Web Page)

no, its ascii




esweecoo: hi
YourDigitalBuddy: Good to see you again, esweecoo. What can I do for you?

Have you checked out everything I can do yet? Type "home" and see what interests you!
esweecoo: translate 01000011011000010110110001100011011100 11001000000110000101110010011001010010 00000110111101100010011101100110100101 10111101110101011100110110110001111001 00100000011101000110100001100101001000 00011000100110010101110011011101000010 11100010111000101110001011100010111000 10000000100000010000110110000101101110 00100000011000010110111001111001001000 00011011110110011000100000011101000110 10000110010100100000011011110111010001 10100001100101011100100010000001101110 01100101011100100110010001110011001000 00011010000110010101110010011001010010 00000110000101100011011101000111010101 10000101101100011011000111100100100000 01110101011011100110010001100101011100 10011100110111010001100001011011100110 01000010000001110111011010000110000101 11010000100000010010010010011101101101 00100000011100110110000101111001011010 01011011100110011100111111


YourDigitalBuddy: Translated into regular characters, your input says, "Calcs are obviously the best..... Can any of the other nerds here actually understand what I'm saying?"

>>> Know the difference between an RPG and an RTS? Do you have strong feelings on the subject? Type "gaming" to see how the Pentium 4 processor gives you higher framerates at better resolutions.


BTW, did anyone notice downtime lastnight?

     14 June 2002, 19:37 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Chivo  Account Info

A true nerd does not need something called "YourDigitalBuddy" to tell him what that says.

Actually, I wrote a 41-line C program to translate binary data like that to readable ASCII. I got the same result as you, but mine doesn't try to sell me a Pentium 4 each time.

     14 June 2002, 21:52 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
slimey_limey  Account Info

Is it in TIGCC?

     16 June 2002, 01:46 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Chivo  Account Info

No, I just used plain vanilla gcc in *nix.

     17 June 2002, 17:21 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Chivo  Account Info

01000110 01110010 01101111 01101101 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110111 00100000 01101111 01101110 00101100 00100000 01001001 00100111 01101101 00100000 01100111 01101111 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110111 01110010 01101001 01110100 01100101 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00101110 00100000 01001001 01100110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110111 01101001 01110100 01101000 01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000 01110101 01110011 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110011 01101111 00101101 01100011 01100001 01101100 01101100 01100101 01100100 00100000 00100010 01011001 01101111 01110101 01110010 01000100 01101001 01100111 01101001 01110100 01100001 01101100 01000010 01110101 01100100 01100100 01111001 00100010 00101100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01100011 01101111 01101110 01100111 01110010 01100001 01110100 01110101 01101100 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 01110011 00101110 00100000 01001111 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 01110111 01101001 01110011 01100101 00101100 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110011 01100101 01100101 01101110 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101110 01100101 01110111 00100000 01010000 01100101 01101110 01110100 01101001 01110101 01101101 00100000 00110100 00100000 01100011 01100001 01101110 00100000 01100100 01101111 00100000 01100110 01101111 01110010 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00111111 00100000 00111010 00101101 00101001 00001010

     14 June 2002, 21:54 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
esweecoo  Account Info
(Web Page)

"From now on, I'm going to write in binary. If you can read this without using the so-called "YourDigitalBuddy", then congratulations. Otherwise, have you seen what the new Pentium 4 can do for you? :-)"

     15 June 2002, 00:31 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Chivo  Account Info

You didn't, by chance, *use* YourDigitalBuddy to translate that, did you?

     15 June 2002, 01:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
esweecoo  Account Info
(Web Page)

yep

     17 June 2002, 01:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
lord_nightrose Account Info
(Web Page)

Yeah, I did. Seems to be a recurring problem...

     14 June 2002, 22:05 GMT

Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
lord_nightrose Account Info
(Web Page)

0100100001101111011101110010000001100001 0111001001100101001000000111100101101111 0111010100100000011001110110010101101110 0111010001101100011001010110110101100101 0110111000100001001000010010000100100000 0100000101101100011011000010000001111001 0110111101110101011100100010000001100010 0110000101110011011001010010000001100001 0111001001100101001000000110001001100101 0110110001101111011011100110011100100000 0111010001101111001000000111010101110011 00101110

     14 June 2002, 22:04 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Chivo  Account Info

01010111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00101100 00100000 01100001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01100011 01101111 01100100 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100001 01110011 01100101 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01101100 01101111 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00111111 00100000 00111010 00101101 00101001

     14 June 2002, 23:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
esweecoo  Account Info
(Web Page)

"What, all my code base are belong to you? :-)"

     15 June 2002, 00:41 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Justanotherprogrammer  Account Info

binary headache

     15 June 2002, 00:07 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
esweecoo  Account Info
(Web Page)

"How are you gentlemen!!! All your base are belong to us."

     15 June 2002, 00:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Chivo  Account Info

01001111 01110010 01100111 00100000 01101100 01100010 01101000 00100000 01110000 01101110 01100001 00100111 01100111 00100000 01100111 01100101 01101110 01100001 01100110 01111001 01101110 01100111 01110010 00100000 00101010 01100111 01110101 01110110 01100110 00101010 00001010

     15 June 2002, 01:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
lord_nightrose Account Info
(Web Page)

Org lbh pna'g genafyngr *guvf*???

     15 June 2002, 13:59 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Chivo  Account Info

I did "rot13 | ascii2binary" for this one.

     17 June 2002, 17:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Brett Simmers  Account Info

Suggestion: Either have no spaces at all, or spaces between every group of eight. Spaces like that confuse most (all?) binary translators.

     15 June 2002, 05:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
esweecoo  Account Info
(Web Page)

how about spaces every 40 (max word length here)

     17 June 2002, 01:08 GMT


Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Brett Simmers  Account Info

Congrats to you who realized that my binary actually does mean something. To those of you who didn't, why are you at ticalc??? This is a site for nerds, and nerds should recognize binary when they see it. Especially being in groups of 8, with 8-bit numbers going up to 255, that being the number of standard ascii characters.... It should've been quite ovbious it was text.
No, I didn't use YourDigitalBuddy, I wrote a VB program to translate back and forth, either with spaces between letters or not. If you want it, IM or email me (info in my profile). I traditionally make my binary without spaces but ticalc has the 40-letter word limit, so I turned on spaces.

01110111 00110000 00110000 01110100 00100001

     15 June 2002, 03:24 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
slimey_limey  Account Info

>I traditionally make my binary without spaces
Is this a family thing?

     15 June 2002, 04:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Brett Simmers  Account Info

lol, no, I just meant that I *normally* do it without spaces, such as when I'm chatting w/ friends on AIM or putting things in my profile.

     15 June 2002, 04:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
nolekid  Account Info

ummm, what kind of person takes the time to IM in binary?

also, I think it was you that said that the ticalc community, as nerds, should be able to read ascII or whatever binary. We are not nerds, we are (insert text editing here) calculator (end edit) nerds. The only thing we need to be able to do in binary is convert it to other number bases, not into english (or other alphabetical languages).

ps: is alphabetical a word?

     16 June 2002, 01:42 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Brett Simmers  Account Info

I IM in binary because it's fun to see ppl's reactions, and it doesn't really take much time, only about 3 seconds longer to translate into binary. Also, I wasn't being completely serious when I said you all should be able to read binary...

     16 June 2002, 06:00 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Paul Schippnick  Account Info
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I am (or was) more use to reading the code like this:
01110111
00110000
00110000
01110100
00100001
00001101
00001010

But that is the new finagled ASCII

I was more use to reading this:
00100110
00100000
00100000
00100011
00110001
10000000
(I don't recall a code for !, though I am sure there was one. So I used a / for !)
But it was reading punched paper tape.

I prefer my ASCII in HEX
77303074210D0A

     15 June 2002, 06:30 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
Torael  Account Info

01000100 01100101 01110100 01100001 01100011 01101000 01100101 01100100 00100000 01010011 01101111 01101100 01110101 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 01110011 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100010 01100001 01100011 01101011 00100000 01110101 01110000 00100000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01110111 01110111 01110111 00101110 01100100 01100101 01110100 01100001 01100011 01101000 01100101 01100100 01110011 01101111 01101100 01110101 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 01110011 00101110 01100011 01101111 01101101 00101110 00100000 01000010 01111001 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110111 01100001 01111001 00100000 01000010 01110010 01100101 01110100 01110100 00101100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100001 01101110 01101011 01110011 00100000 01100110 01101111 01110010 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110100 01110010 01100001 01101110 01110011 01101100 01100001 01110100 01101111 01110010 00101110 00100000 01000001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 01110010 00100000 01100010 01100001 01110011 01100101 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01101100 01101111 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110101 01110011 00101110 00100000 01010100 01001001 00100000 01000110 01101111 01110010 01100101 01110110 01100101 01110010 00101100 00100000 01000100 01101111 01110111 01101110 00100000 01110111 01101001 01110100 01101000 00100000 01010000 01000100 01000001 01110011 00100001

     16 June 2002, 00:02 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
slimey_limey  Account Info

I've seen several hosted sites that stole TIcalc.org's interface with different colours.
Don't reinvent the wheel, just put ABS on it!

     16 June 2002, 01:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Calculators vs. PDAs
lord_nightrose Account Info
(Web Page)

Detached Solutions is back up at www.detachedsolutions.com. By the way Brett, thanks for the translator. All your base are belong to us. TI Forever, Down with PDAs!

     16 June 2002, 07:09 GMT

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