I'd want many megabytes of RAM instead of flash ROM. I personaly don't like most of the flash system because the people that don't understand calculators just think "Ooooo, lots of memory to store pretty games in. I think I will put it all in archive and nothing in RAM." and eventually, their ROM gets destroyed from over usage. Plus, I think that people archive a lot of stuff anyway since they always exceed the capacity of the RAM and are forced to use the flash ROM. The TI-86 is an awsome calculator because it has plenty of RAM (although I wouldn't complain if there was more) and no flash technology. I think that is an awsome calculator. The only good thing I see in flash upgrades is the OS upgrade.

you like the os upgades. I hate them. Because of them every time they come out with a new os, you have to change all of the assembly programs. Then there are are thouse people without a link who cannot get games off their friends because they have different os. Not to mention the countless people i know who toatlly f'ed their calcs try to get an os upgrade off of a another calc. They would have had to buy a new calc if i wasnt there to take there calc home and re-install the os with the computer. OS uprades would be great if they actually made worth while changes. 2.08 is the first version that actually adds to the functionallity but it is not much. If they were to add some new math functions, make it faster(hp has 1/2 the processor but is faster what up with that) then it would be worth the upgrade but. Is it really necessicary to make everyone re-write there programs so that you can jump from the top of a menu to the bottom?

You can force the hardware to take the OS even from another calc... Hold DEL and put a battery in or something... (For the 83+)

Games are for gay high school kids who would rather waste time actually learn something new i'm junior in high school but am taking all college classes at the college and don't even have any games on my calc all i have are apps to help me learn on my se all of you game makers suck ti should have to re make its os if it has bugs and eople should have to realize that they and there little games arn't the only thing out outr there and that they need to stop whing to ti about the os updates they are a good thing because if you get all the bway dwon a list and need to get to the top you can't unlees you go all the way throught the list again that sucks just like people who would rather play games than learn somthing as for what new calcs need they need a color screen to see multiple graph plots mand stop it with the colored out side that makes it look like a game boy what ever happened to the good color black? or grer? these are all good colors for a calc and ti needs to know that also ti needs to make voyage 400 a reailty and not just a nerds dream or a least one clac witha color screen because we need color green is better than grey and ti needs to know also ti needs more ram to do simple things like solve XY+Z^2+Root(U)=Y
sin(Y)+U=Z+y^X
cos(XY)=sin(X+U)^X
Xroot(X)Y=sin(U+cos(X+U^root(Z)))+7.45
What is X?
What is Sin Y

T

you need to learn how to spell and learn how to use punctuation and not to keep rambling on and on and on and on and on....

Ahh, you beat me to that reply!

Games are certainly not the best thing one can do with the calculators. Playing games fails to unlock the full potential of the calculator. Of course, mathematical projects alone does not either. For people studying computer science, the calculators prove a valuable tool beyond pure math.

>>For people studying computer science, the calculators prove a valuable tool beyond pure math.

Absolutely. Programming my TI-89 really helped me learn better programming techniques and ideas that help me now with programming computers.

Too true

It's a postulate: TI calculators, when used correctly, have a greater potential than pure math.

Let me be redundant: too true :)

Programming images with TI-BASIC really helped me master coordnates.

Absolutely, he does. At this point he sounds like another one of those pathological l33tspeakers who can't formulate a propeer complete sentence.

h00r4y 13375p34k3rZ!


(What's "propeer"? Is it another spelling of "proper"?)

"Propeer", of course, being a misspelling resulting from an overdose of caffeine.

Yea, really. I highly doubt you are a junior high kid taking college classes. If you're really that smart, you should type with better punctuation than me. Some times I can't tell what you are trying to get out of that floppy thing in you're butt you call a brain.

In my sophomore year, I will be taking an AP class... are AP classes considered "college level"? But then again, you don't need to be a genius to get into one of those... some of the kids in my programming class... heh heh, they're going to take AP Computer Science AB next year. (laugh)

"Why doesn't this QBASIC command work?"

LINGE (100,100)-(200,200)

Hmm... what's linGe?

Yes, AP are college level. They get you college credits if you pass the test.

LOL, they actually teach QBasic???

he didn't say junior high...he said junior in high school, which of course is different

by the way, if you're that smart, why would you need to fill your calculator with apps to help you learn? I play games in all my classses (except gym) and my overall average is around a 97...

**and why wasn't faster processer a choice? if you have more memory or a color screen or whatever, that would be pretty slow**

o wow I got tired of reading it after the first few ¿sentences? and I didn't see how bad it was...some words were repeated repeated too

First of all, are you calling high school students gay or people who like game on the calc gay. No not HS students arnt gay, and calc games are fun, in or out of class. games are not for people who dont want to learn, it is for thouse who sit in class board as hell because HS is so so so so easy. At least in my class, those of us who played calc games allways seemed to get the highest test grades, humm... maby calc games make you learn better. Now a college student i find that calc games are still fun because it turns out that college classes are just as easy as HS. While it would be so great if the calc could do more math, ti doesnt seem to agree, if you want the most powerfull calc get an HP if you want a great calc that is easy(and fun) to use and then TI is number 1. I would love to know what apps you have. All of ti's free apps are pretty much useless. And if why would you pay $40 for calc programs! Any situation where you could justify paying $40 for a calc program you would be better off just useing a laptop.

That's right, and people don't play games only during class, I do it at home too. That doesn't affect my schoolwork.

>>At least in my class, those of us who played calc games allways seemed to get the highest test grades, humm... maby calc games make you learn better.

That was me in history last year, never paid attention and got the highest grade. All because of my TI 83+ (I'll miss it *sniff*)

If you're winning in a game, it helps you relieve stress. That will definetly make you do better in school.

>> winning in a game

Then don't play Penguins 82 ;-)

Honestly... is that even POSSIBLE? I got to the fourth level once.

I totally agree here! I absolutely NEVER pay attention in class and always get A's.


5t

Same here!

Me too! (Until Biology came along... I won't go there)

<sarcasm> That's right, we're gay because we make games </sarcasm> (Well, I'm not)

If you have a problem with playing games, then YOU are the one who needs to get a life. Don't you realize that not all ASM programs are games? And next time you make a big flame like that, at least use SOME punctuation. When you write like this, "yes an games are gay bc they suck all u eople are dum", it makes what you say very hard to understand.

I agree. If we know how to make games then that means we're very smart, have a big imagination, and we are creative.

I think he's too embarrassed because he can't do BASIC, so he calls all programmers (here, directed at game programmers) "gay".

[ASM is $539]

no_one is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUPER!!!!

I KNNNNNNNNNNNNNOW! :) (Was that sarcasm?)

Jesus Jones, dude. Calm down before you make an utter ass of yourself. There are better ways to assert your opinion than to insult people who make games you don't like. Such as saying, "people should use calculators for their true purpose: to aid them in solving mathematical queries." That would be plenty to state everything you said.

Also, if you think that just because you're in college, you won't be play any games, you will REALLY be missing out in college. After everyone finishes their homework in my dorm, at least 16 of us get together online and play Half-Life for a good two hours - almost every day. Playing games is a great way to relieve tensino. But, having said that, I guess you must think I'm gay.

Counter-Strike has to be the best game ever made. someone should make a version for the 89.

Try Arena 3D.

Yeah, it's protable. I still like Half-Life, though. You get better weapons >:)

I played Half-life once... thought it was pretty cool :) (It was only a demo, so unless you think a crowbar is a great weapon... lol)

Somebody needs to make that for the 89 for the FAT engine. I would be so amazed.

well, i too think ur sssuper.

>> before you make an utter ass of yourself

Too late.

If that's true (stopped reading your post after the first sentence) then I'm gay :P

That makes me gay too. *sigh* Damn... I thought I could be straight all my life. (lol) Guess I'll go have to find a new date for the prom.

You'd be VERY gay, since your programs are VERY good. So, from that logic, I guess I'm slightly gay.

[This guy deserves all the flames]

Calm down! I know from personal experience that when you skip grade levels in any subject you lose out on valuable social enrichment. I easily qualify as a nerd and my life has a whole mess of technology integrated into it but I can also understand what the effects are of being one sided. I know I'm re-iterating many things stated above but just because we love playing games does not mean we don't know the original intention of a calculator. A lot of things that game programmers want changed in the OSs are not for games but for mathmatical and GUI efficiency.

As long as programming exsists, games will always be apon us.

so true

For your information, people who own and program for TI calculators (or any platform) are usually exceptionally smart and hard working to begin with. Personally, writing game software and math software and other software for my calculators stimulates my mind, and helps it evaluate tough algrithms and procedures in the real world. Programming for a lot of people is enjoying because it is stimulating. Personally, I just write games and seldom play them because I enjoy writing them better than I enjoy using them. People who play games (at least at my school) do not do it to waste time. They do it when they are not in any class and are bored (i.e. on the bus, before school, at lunch, etc). So refrain from dissing programmers!

Also, I find it hard to believe that you are taking college classes, for your grammer and conventions and overall interest in posting something INTELLIGENT are extremely lacking.

If you want to be able to solve problems like that one mentioned, then solve it yourself on paper (if you are really taking college classes, you should be able to do this easily) or get a 68K calculator, which has software that is quite capable of performing that task.

You're a high school junior? I feel sorry for your English teacher...


5t

NICE one!

What's 5t? Just wondering...

its his initials "ST" (author profile)

the only problem is that most of the people who responded to his post made numerous spelling and grammar errors as well...not that I really care about other people's grammar anymore

Dude, you are a moron. I don't normally go out and call people that, but you can proudly be the first to get it (at least in a while). Why do you go on making fun of game programmers, and yet your name is "Programmer2000"? Being a PROGRAMMER, you should understand that programming is a fun pass-time, and games aren't as bad as you're making them out to be. THEN, you have NOTHING in your author profile. Do you realize with your stupidity, you got over 40 comments in reply, ALL talking about how inane your statement is?

You don't have a SINGLE period in your whole post (not counting the randomly placed question at the bottom to make you appear smart, in compensation for your 1st grade-level grammar), you have ONE capital letter (again, not counting the stupid question), and your post has the same incompetency level as:

"hey i luv telemarketrz they are so hot and they call our house during dinner time and that rocks man dude i cant get away from them and all u people who hate them are gay and suck and guess what i am in a college level course where i learned my punctuation and all of you stupid game makers and telemarketer haters can touch my butt because i am gay too hahahahahaha"

<end of flame>

I feel better now. I just HAD to get that out :) (Don't ask about the telemarketer thing)

GO NO_ONE!!!! MV must be having a blast reading all of these since it is obvious that the guy deserves it. I'm at piece as long as I don't read that letter. BTW Have you ever crashed your calc with a pure BASIC prog. By 'pure' I mean not Exec stuff or integrated ASM or C. BTW I have and I don't know how. I had to calc TI help line to get it fixed because 2nd-left-right-on didn't work.

yeah I crashed my calc with basic
It sucked
I thought to myself
"I thought B.A.S.I.C. COULDN'T crash the calc."

What's the telemarketer thing? (j/k)

I totally agree. This person is a complete a$$.

lol telemarketers don't call our house
yay!

The hp49g is 4 mhz. the 89 is 10/12 depending on your hardware version.

And NO they would not have to buy a new calc if the upgrade fails. A computer to calc link is about $20 bucks.

I consider bug fixes to be worth while changes. Plenty of bugs have been fixed so far.

Yes but how many people know that. How many people who dont regularly visit this site have read the manual, i havent met any.

I read my TI-82 manual! :)

...but you regularly visit this site.

Yup... that, I do :)

...but you regularly visit this site.

:X A staff member double-posted!!!

(Yeah, I know I did that once, but it hung and they were posted 3 minutes apart.)

I've read through my 89 manual more than once. That was before I even knew about this site.

I've read mine about twice, and I knew about this site when I was looking for a calc to buy.

I read my 83+ manual many many many times, even b4 coming to this site...I was learning to program with it...is that POSSIBLE? =)


5t

You know what really sucks, the 83+se doesnt come with a manual. :( why why why couldnt they give me one, there is no way i will ever read 300 pages of pdf so i guess i will never learn how to use it. OH well, there is allways trial and error.

The V200 doesn't come with a manual either. The two calculators are probably designed for those who already know how to use their counterparts.

There's only about 20 or so functions. And they're pretty straight-forward... or were you talking about more than just programming?

>>And NO they would not have to buy a new calc if the upgrade fails.

Actually, there are some cases in which they will. I can't explain how it happens, but I've seen it twice with an HW2 TI-89. Someone tried to upgrade from AMS 2.03 to 2.05, and the batteries died partway through. They tried to reinstall 2.05 with new batteries, but it never recognized any data input through the link port.

Wow... that's the worst case I ever heard of... (no prepositions at the end of sentences, fool!)

I upgraded my friends calculators OS from 1.12 to 1.15 and it didn't screw up any programs at all. Lucky I guess.

Programs tend to screw up after OS upgrades on 68K calculators, not z80 calculators (*whew*)

I just upgraded my 89's OS to 2.08 (from 2.079, teh previous version of 2.08 for the unitiniated) with TILP on Linux. TILP did it in about 10 minutes, with no problems, while in Windows it usually takes 45 minutes todo it once, has to be redone several times usually, and preculdes use of the computer in the meantime. Use TILP!

It's TiLP.

That has nothing to do with the OS on your comp BTW. Its just the bawd width. I upgrade mine in just over 5.

There is a Windows version of TiLP...

I can't get the USB cable to work with it. I even installed the drivers TiLip distributes. Luckily I know how to reinstate the old drivers. I get an error about mapping I/O stuff of the hardware.

And he might have meant with TI's program.

And if he has Windows 9x/Me, Linux most likely *IS* faster with USB (did he say USB? I forget) (at least Win9x)...

I've had my 89 for 4 years now and have had no problems with my flash rom. And it gets used rather intensively.

I've had mine for 5 years and usually have it stuffed to the gills. I have had to garbage collect soo often if I'm want to try out new games.

How do you garbage collect on TI-89's?

I wrote a porgram a while ago to force one. see the ticalc.org archives.

Or just archive, unarchive, archive, unarchive, archive, unarchive, archive, unarchive, archive, unarchive, archive, unarchive, archive, unarchive, etc. a lot of progs. Eventually the 89 will do it automatically.

hey ti needs to mke or buy better rom then

As long as they use EEPROM (FLASH for the uninitiated), it *WILL* wear out. No avoiding it (unless you NEVER write to it).

I love the acronym EEPROM, its such an oxymoron. Anyway, TI should incorporate better versions of it like what is found in CF cards and such so it would last longer and you don't need to "garbage collect" it.

And then the calculator crashes and you lose everything :( Archiving prevents that, even thought it could wear out *cry*

TI should implement memory like the stuff in CF cards. Its non volatile and does not need to be need to be "flashed" to be re-writen on. I would say something like a mini HDD but thats not practical.

That's where you make a little thingy on your computer called a backup. Do it regularly and you won't care if you get your memory erased.

takes too long and plus I have all the files from the zips on my comp.

Only takes about 3 minutes for my 83+ with USB link on Win98SE... But Apps and groups and any duplicate names (like prgmSN00D and apvrSN00D) need done separately... Else only the first one in VAT is gotten....

Is that what they believe on the planet you come from? (j/k)

Actually, you can store all of your programs in FlashROM and make a copy of the program (not unarchive it) in RAM, execute it, and delete it when the program terminates. This is how I can manage to avoid wearing out my FlashROM on my SE (I use Plasma 1.4, the only shell I am aware of for the TI-83+ that can do this aside from MirageOS, which does not work on SE's). Or the even better choice is to get a 68K calculator because they do not need to unarchive programs to run them; the OS automatically creates a copy in the RAM and deletes it afterward, even if there was a break. They don't even produce the annoying Garbage Collect messages!

About those "pretty games": Most of the programs on people's calcs are not necessarily games, but are math programs or utility programs that somehow extend the calculator's functionallity; they just store it in archive memory because the user may not need to use the program for long periods of time. Therefore, in order to free up a little RAM for other programs (especially BASIC programs they might be in the process of writing and testing), they archive the variable.

The only downside to creating a copy in RAM is that save games and high scores don't get kept, unless you unarchive manually, unless it stores in a separate variable that it archives/unarchives manually (like Sn00d (an AppVar)).

Actually, MirageOs works perfectly with SE. There is a person at my school that has MirageOs on his SE that he got from someone without a SE.

Really? It always crashes on mine after I run a BASIC program. Detached Solutions even says that MirageOS is incompatable in some areas to the TI-83+ SE.

To Detached Solutions:

Please fix MirageOS so that it can operate on TI-83+ SE's