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tinews.net Given Cease-and-Desist Letter by TI
Posted by Nick & Phil on 31 August 2000, 04:14 GMT

TI has requested, in a legal manner, that tinews.net stop using several of TI's copyrighted works on their page. Furthermore, they've requested that tinews.net change their name. tinews.net is not particularly pleased about this, and has, in response, posted this petition.

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Update (Nick): As you may have seen on tinews.net's home page, they are in the process of getting the matter cleared up with TI as we speak. They would like to thank everyone for their continued support during this ordeal.

 


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Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
JrJinfinity  Account Info
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TI has not right to take it that far, I could see removing the roms, but they have gone off the deep end.

If TI expects people like me to support them they should quit screwing around with the sites that keep me interested in their products. Quite honestly HP does make better calculators & Ti is just promoting their own competors with actions like this.

-JrJinfinity
http://redrival.com/jrjinfinity

     31 August 2000, 04:04 GMT

Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
MathJMendl  Account Info
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I'd say that HP is nicer to assembly programmers but there calculators are not better as of yet...hopefully the new calculator that's coming out of theirs will change this.

     31 August 2000, 09:40 GMT

Re: Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
JrJinfinity  Account Info
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Actually the HP-49g will do everything the Ti-89 can, and more mathematically. Plus it has more space to store stuff. If TI doesn't let Ti-news stay HP will have plenty of new customers.

     31 August 2000, 11:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
MathJMendl  Account Info
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Well it has a slower processor and its screen is smaller and I've heard mixed reviews about it. One place said the screen made it difficult to see on. Plus it's more expensive.

     2 September 2000, 02:30 GMT


Re: Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
pantherace13  Account Info

Also, HP calcs have an "Alternative Operating System", and it is the one of the ones that are used on Computers-Linux. I don't see where ti is gaining anything, aside from ticking people off. Where is the advantage in ti calcs anymore? A hp 48gx (the expandible one) costs $130. An 89 costs 150. the 48gx can do everything that an 89 can do (after you learn the rpn notation <shudder>), but as has been said hp helps asm programmers, and what does ti have (83+) a manual's code that doesn't even work (look at some of the appendixes's examples).

Btw, I hate companies, people, etc that use copyright to suppress people.
copyrightlist.addbad("Texas Instruments");

     31 August 2000, 22:54 GMT


Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
AuroraBoriales

I really do agree, although HP calcs don't have screen resoulution as good as TI's, they can do a lot more. The 49g has much more memory, and many better features than the 89. Such as step by step solving, many more graph modes, and many more functions. HP fully supports the use of third party software on their calcs, and they even released a free SDK for their calcs. What does TI give in the area of assmbaly? A rom chart? That's it????

     31 August 2000, 19:25 GMT

What's Next?
Sean Barnes  Account Info
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I agree that the ROM's should be taken down.

However, forcing tinews to get rid of the domain name is just plain stupid. Are they going to try and shut down TI-Fr, Dimension-TI, TI-Files, and even ticalc? If they even attempted that, they'd lose a huge customer base to HP. Getting rid of fan sites and developer's sites could actually cost TI money. I know that I won't consider paying TI for any of their apps or the SDK (whenever it comes out).

Here I am, having bought over $300 worth of calculators from TI. I just started developing a new game and decide to check out my favorite calc resource. And I find out that one of the best sites on TI's has been shutdown by TI. Well, that really encourages me to stick with TI development.

-Sean

     31 August 2000, 04:14 GMT

Re: What's Next?
JrJinfinity  Account Info
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Trust me, I know exactly how you feel, in fact I'm heading right on over to www.hp.com right now.

-JrJinfinity
http://redrival.com/jrjinfinity

     31 August 2000, 04:22 GMT

Re: What's Next?
Eric Sun  Account Info
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This issue is what caused TI-Files to be renamed to Ti-Files...

     31 August 2000, 04:31 GMT

Re: What's Next?
GForce  Account Info

hmm... TI actually relasing an SDK and then kids shelling out $$$... NEITHER will EVER happen!

     31 August 2000, 05:45 GMT


Re: What's Next?
MathJMendl  Account Info
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Hmm. Discourages you from TI development? TI doesn't especially want you to write assembly programs at the moment. They want you to pay $300 for an sdk, which no one will pay anyway.

     31 August 2000, 09:44 GMT


Re: Re: What's Next?
Samir Ribic  Account Info
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Except those who want to write Flash applications which will be commercial.

     31 August 2000, 17:03 GMT

Re: Re: Re: What's Next?
Jeff Chai  Account Info

commercial Flash APPS aren't very profitable yet. Not many people buy them anyway. Most of the time, people just get the ones that are free.

     31 August 2000, 17:59 GMT

Re: Re: Re: What's Next?
YodaToad  Account Info
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Commercial FlashApps won't be very profitable due to the fact that it _is_ possible to get around the certificate/serial # problem.

-Erik Davidson
http://www.erikd.org

     31 August 2000, 20:13 GMT


Re: Re: Re: What's Next?
MathJMendl  Account Info
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$300 plus a bunch of time developing programs for a *calculator* that some people might distribute illegally after one person buys them. I don't think this would be profitable, they might as well develop on a computer (or on a gameboy if they liked asm a lot). There are some nice kits for C programming that aren't $300...just check out all of the stuff for linux. Free. And in thought too.

     2 September 2000, 02:33 GMT

Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
Titan_X  Account Info
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Unfortunately, these are the copyright laws of the United States. I'd hate to say it, but I have to agree with TI on this one. Considering that tinews.net did in fact post ROMs on their site, which is a big no-no, they were asking for trouble.

I'm sure TI appreciates fan sites when all is well, but if they really wanted to be picky, they have all right to shut down ticalc.org, Dimension-TI, and whatever TI site there is out there, including mine. As much as I hate to be a party pooper, TI is right on this one.

Think of it this way. I work at a nameless company affiliated with the former Tandy Corp. (duh...). I am a fan of the Anime series Mobile Suit Gundam, and I have built several models. Gundam.com features a model gallery, which I have many entries into. I took all my pictures at work using my store's digital camera. I make every effort to avoid getting any logo or affiliation in on my photos. If I had their logo in my picture, and posted it on gundam.com, not only would gundam.com be shut down by my company, but I would be sued as well. All because of copyright infringement. It sounds very unfair, but think of it this way... if you had a company and suddenly everyone called themselves the same name, would you be happy? I didn't think so.

Let's just be glad TI likes fan sites that do follow the rules of no ROMs.

     31 August 2000, 04:20 GMT


Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
MathJMendl  Account Info
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I'm not a lawyer but I think if the TI sites disassociate themselves from TI it is perfectly legal to have a website relating to their products. I mean, Microsoft can't stop newspapers from mentioning its antitrust lawsuit and can't prevent slashdot from containing words not favorable to it. AOL can't stop aolsucks.com from containing information about how AOL sucks. You can't stop places from containing information about things as long as it is presented in a legal way. They are trying to shut down TI News because of the ROMs that were illegally placed on the site. They were TI copyrighted information.

     31 August 2000, 09:48 GMT


Re: Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
Macintosh  Account Info

TI of course has no right to make them change their domain name, but im sure they are quite aware that 90% of the Calculator community is just kids. They expect us to role over because there is no way we'll be taking on a law suit.

     31 August 2000, 13:54 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
Paulo Marques  Account Info

Lucky them we 'kids' don't overload their servers, just 'cause. <grin>

     31 August 2000, 23:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
Jeff Meister  Account Info

90% of the calculator "community" is kids, but 90% of calculator "buyers" are large schools and organizations :)

- Jeff

     1 September 2000, 03:44 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
MathJMendl  Account Info
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Umm, I don't know about that. The science department at my school bought some 83+'s and some CBL stuff, but unless those are really expensive CBL units, I'm sure the students buying new TI calculators *each* year, including more expensive ones like 86's and 89's, put more money in TI's pockets.

     2 September 2000, 02:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: tinews.net Given Cease-and-Decist Letter by TI
MathJMendl  Account Info
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And what organizations are you referring to?

     2 September 2000, 02:37 GMT

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