A couple additional notes:

- If you are uploading an update to an existing file, you always want to upload your update with the SAME EXACT filename that is in the archves. Now, check to see if your file has been moved, and if it has, upload your updates to the correct directory as well. (Note that nothing here has changed; this is mostly a reminder about the instructions given on the file upload page that nobody ever follows.)

- If you have any inbound download links to your .zip files from other websites, it's quite possible that they have been broken. You might wish to check them. Note that if you want to link to a file on ticalc.org, link to it's file info page! (the one that have archives/files/fileinfo in them.) These pages won't change as often, and won't change if we move your file. They also will stay constant if you upload any updates correctly following my previous point.

- Michael and I moved over 1,100 files do reorganize the folder. I can almost assure you that one file either got missed or was moved improperly. If you have any corrections, either e-mail filearch@ticalc.org, or just use the inappropriate file report form. Don't feel bad about using the report form for other purposes; people rarely use it for its intended purpose anyways.

- If you have a bunch of BASIC Math programs, you may wish to check on them to see if we sorted everything appropriately.

(evidently even staff members have length limits...)

- Yes, I'm aware 83+ BASIC Misc. Programs is even a bigger mess than 83+ BASIC Math. I'll be taking a look at how to begin to subdivide it, but if you have any ideas, feel free to e-mail me!

- Hopefully finding files within the new directory structure is relatively intuitive, but if something we did really doesn't make sense to you, e-mail me and maybe we can find a better way of doing it. We want this to make it easier to find files; not to hide them away into all sorts of subdirectories.

- Users of slower computers and dialup users can appreciate the fact that this cuts down on file listing sizes in half. You don't have to recommend that we also add in paging, we're already aware of the idea and feedback from the Poll we had a week or two ago.

- Just because we have a directory for quadratic solvers doesn't mean we are now accepting new ones. :-) Updates to existing ones are always allowed, of course.

And if you didn't get the general hint: feel free to e-mail feedback and ideas!

YAY!!! It feels like we got a whole new version of ticalc.org!!! Go filearchivers!

thank you so much

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Now I'll be able to actually look through that directory again...

there a currently 99 files in the quadratic section....I think you should add a category for vectors programs to.

My God....

I know all the jokes from the past about the huge numbers of them, but damn. WHY on Earth would that be needed? Seriously! That is just excessive.

-W-

Yeah, probably a bunch of n00bs who wanted to make something "useful", but didn't look through the archives first.

i hate the whole making fun of noobs thing, people do the same thing to inexpirienced skaters, theyre all like "POSER!!!! U SUCK!!!" but everyone starts out the same

..so Imma guess that you're an inexperienced skater.. :)

But not everyone plagues the archives with stupid programs.

But here, if you're *just* a n00b, that's fine - everyone starts out like that. It's only the n00bs that do really annoying stuff that drives the rest of us crazy that we don't like.

To clarify: If you come here and don't know much about calculator programming, maybe put out a couple not-so-good programs and occasionally ask a stupid question, that's fine, and no one could care less, as long as you learn from your mistakes. It's only when people do things that even non-programmers realize are stupid, like upload quadratic solvers (even though there are literally hundreds in the archives already) or e-mail authors of programs / post on unrelated message boards asking how to send files to your calculator and similar stuff (when you could easily find out how from the manual, or a google search, or the FAQ right on this site, or...) that it gets really annoying.

Sorry that this is offtopic - I just wanted to make it clear that I'm not insulting all beginners.

Yes, there is a HUGE difference between a newbie and a n00b. Newbies are welcomed into the TI-Calc community. N00bs, though...that's something different. Did you ever stop to think that MAYBE no one needs a BASIC stopwatch or clock, reset program, sleep program, a multiple choice guesser, or poorly made chat programs?? Sorry if I got a little ticked off there, but I do get upset when people don't understand their programs are useless (especially when they say things like "This is the coolest program you'll ever download!" and then write reviews for themselves).

On a better note, any of you aspiring programmers are welcome to seek advice and such from this site, but please don't upload your programs (at least not until they're good). Share them with your friends instead and keep programming!

>> - If you have any inbound download links to your .zip files from other websites, it's quite possible that they have been broken.

Last I checked, linking directly to a .zip file dumped you into the directory listing.

Yeah, $%^&ing hotlinking disabling. :'(

On Cemetech we've been having a discussion about this after I noticed the division taking place yesterday, and so far we came up with this for the 83plus/basic/games folder; I think we talked about working on a Misc. breakup scheme next.

Games
|
+-RPG
+-Maze
+-Puzzle
+-3D/FPS
+-Racing
+-Arcade
+-+-Side-Scrolling
+-+-Top-Down
+-+-Puzzle (Tetris et al)
+-Other

Yes! That would really make my day!

Any suggestions for additions to/subtractions from that list?

I believe card games would be useful (poker, blackjack, etc) as there are a bunch of those.

I would also be tempted to move the files within your proposed /arcade into files directly within /games. I'm not sure I like the idea of there being a "puzzle" and "arcade/puzzle" directory (what's the difference?)

A BIG motivation for any directory structure is to quickly estimate how many files will be going into any particular folder; if you think a folder will only have two or three files in it, see if you can do it differently that will work better.

And as far as having an "other" directory, I think we just leave those in 83plus/basic/games as we have done with math.

how come the media directories aren't ranked? just curious....

Abuse, I think, with too many people uploading tons of pointless stuff just to increase their ranking in the "busiest authors" list.

Yup, happened about 2 1/2 years ago. Ppl started flooding the archives with RIGview pics and such.

I agree about the "arcade" and "card" directories - just have separate directories for side-scrolling games/puzzle games/etc. (who knows what "arcade" really means as a classification anyways?).

We also need a KermMartian directory

j/k

would guessing games be put in the puzzle directory?

Unless we want a "random" directory. :-)

How about a trash catagory for those... :P

They should have a directory to themselves, just like the quadratic solvers.

OK, so with this feedback, let's try this:

Games
|
+-RPG (obvious)
+-Maze (there are a fair number of these)
+-Puzzle (previously puzzle + arcade/puzzle/)
+-+- Guessing Games (even though ticalc.org no longer accepts these. :D )
+-3D/FPS (anything calling itself an FPS or 3D)
+-Racing (and the many clones and variations thereof)
+-Card (as per the suggestion above)
+-Arcade
+-+-Side-Scrolling
+-+-Top-Down
+-Other (ie, root /games/ dir)

Keep those ideas coming.

You probably could add a Sports category to that list.

Point taken.

Games
|
+-RPG (obvious)
+-Maze (there are a fair number of these)
+-Puzzle (previously puzzle + arcade/puzzle/)
+-+- Guessing Games (even though ticalc.org no longer accepts these. :D )
+-3D/FPS (anything calling itself an FPS or 3D)
+-Racing (and the many clones and variations thereof)
+-Card (as per the suggestion above)
+-Arcade
+-+-Side-Scrolling
+-+-Sports
+-+-Top-Down
+-Other (ie, root /games/ dir)

I'm really not sure why sports is under arcade. I still vote for getting rid of arcade entirely.

Vote? Why would you vote? You have implementation power!

Fair enough. How about Arcade just be a catchall for arcade-type games, and everything else be first-level? Thusly:

Games
|
+-RPG (obvious)
+-Maze (there are a fair number of these)
+-Puzzle (previously puzzle + arcade/puzzle/)
+-Guessing Games (even though ticalc.org no longer accepts these. :D )
+-3D/FPS (anything calling itself an FPS or 3D)
+-Racing (and the many clones and variations thereof)
+-Card (as per the suggestion above)
+-Space Shooters (what about this one instead of side-scrollers?)
+-Arcade
+-Sports
+-Other (ie, root /games/ dir)

If there's no side-scroller, where would Mario fit?

We could add a category for Platform games, which would include all the Mario games in it, Mega Man, etc.

That sounds good, along with the removal of Arcade.

Lol we could just add a "fun" category with games like mario, tetris, and so on...games that everyone likes.

Incidentally, why isn't Mario v2.0 on the site anymore? It's generally need to play the better levels...

How bout this?:

Games
|
+-RPG
+-Maze/Puzzle [technically.. they're about the same.]
+-Guessing Games
+-3D/FPS
+-Sports [Racing is a sport IMO..]
+-Card
+-Arcade [Why not just put side-scrollers/shooters in here?]
+-Other

Eh, I still think Racing should be separate from sports, since there's so many racing clones in the BASIC dir...

Sorry, it would probably need more categories than that.

Yeah, the categories you grouped together might be a bit too vauge.

And I'm still not preciesly sure what defines an "arcade" game anyways.

I see it as anything that you might find in an arcade: a relatively fast-paced game, with simple controls and a simple premise.

Don't forget strategy/simulation games!

Maybe arcade should be split into collecting games, shooting games, and fighting games, since there is likely to be a lot of confusion about the category.

Games [Other goes here]
|
+-RPG [TVF, final fantasy..]
+-Maze
+-Puzzle
+-Strategy [chess, checkers, logic]
+-Guess the Number
+-3D/FPS [gemini, zDoom, wolfenstein]
+-Racing [lotus, f-zero..]
+-Cards [wizards, yu-gi-oh, pokemon..]
+-Casino [poker, blackjack..; **should this be a cards sub-directory??]
+-Arcade [pacman, asteroids, pinball, atari games]
+-+-Shooters [phoenix, galaxian, phantom star]
+-+-Fighting [street fighter, mortal kombat, texas fighters]
....[not too sure what collecting is..]
+-Sports [football, baseball..]

Better now?.. probably most of the games would fit into the arcade section. That's usually the type games that you find made for calculators..

Collecting would be like Pokémon.

Pokemon is more of an RPG...

Beyond the storyline, though, it is pure strategy.

Games [Other goes here]
|
+-RPG [TVF, final fantasy, _POKEMON_..]
+-Maze
+-Puzzle
+-Strategy [chess, checkers, logic]
+-Guessing/Games of Chance
+-3D/FPS [gemini, zDoom, wolfenstein, ut2]
+-Racing [lotus, f-zero..]
+-Cards [wizards, yu-gi-oh, pokemon..]
+-Casino [poker, blackjack..; **should this be a cards sub-directory??]
+-Arcade [pacman, asteroids, pinball, atari games]
+-+-Shooters [phoenix, galaxian, phantom star]
+-+-Fighting [street fighter, mortal kombat, texas fighters]
+-Sports [football, baseball..]

Forget the collecting directory.

Also, I got some ideas for sorting "Misc. Programs"

+-Misc
+---Productivity
+---Pseudoshells
+---Linking
+---Organizers
+---Utilities
+-----Time (84+ Only)

Maybe add a "reference" category; you know, for all those "50 States" and "Check Your Age" programs.

Collecting games are those like Pac-Man or Snake, where you go around collecting goodies for points.

eh, that's more arcade...

Definitely. "Collecting" makes people think of card games like Wizards.

Agreed. So does anyone have issues with the last edition of the thing above?

No, it looks good.

Just make sure that shooting and fighting games are separate from arcade games, not sub-directories of arcade. There shouldn't be any sub-directories, so maybe merge card and casino games, as there are not many non-casino card games.

Does it? I've never even tried it, considering doing so would be evil anyways.