RE: A86: ROM Images (legal battle thread)
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RE: A86: ROM Images (legal battle thread)
Frankly, your arguments would never hold up in a court room. The facts
are that the TI ROM is copyrighted material and you can't distribute it.
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On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Thomas J. Hruska wrote:
>
> (Quake refute is below)
> At 07:59 AM 11/16/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >Nobody said distributing the ROM for programming purposes was legal. They
> >said making a copy of your own ROM for the purposes of programming is legal.
>
> I agree. However, I have two objections. The first is that you didn't
> define your pronouns. The second is that you say "Nobody said distributing
> the ROM for _programming purposes_ was legal." Although I agree with THAT
> statement, it completely ignores the fact that I am arguing about
> "programming research" while you are on a totally different subject.
>
> Again I challenge: Prove me wrong.
>
> >Dave
> >
> >At 08:15 AM 11/16/98 +0100, you wrote:
> >>
> >>On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Thomas J. Hruska wrote:
> >>> >Uh, WRONG! Distributing the ROM cannot be legal under any circumstances.
> >>>
> >>> You can't just make a statement like this and leave us hanging. Explain
> >>> these "circumstances" that you speak of. I specified the type of research
> >>> that all of us programmers are doing, which makes the ROM legal to have.
> >>> Distributing the ROM is therefore legal since everyone must be able to
> >>> prove that the research that the programmers did is really true. So,
> >>> either end of the use of the ROM is legal under copyright law. Now, tell
> >>> me YOUR defense.
> >>
> >>So distributing Quake, for instance, is also legal if you're researching
> >>about 3D game engines...?
>
> Let us look at this from a different light first. TI ROM images have
> unlimited applications that they can be used for. Nearly all of these
> applications are research based (only people who are using it for games are
> the exception). How else would programmers be able to write ASM programs
> for their TI calculator without doing research on the ROM first? How would
> others prove one programmer's research for their program without
> researching it for themselves? Now, even the program has to be researched!
> These programs have to be researched to be matched against the ROM by
> testing them. The list goes on and on in the different ways that ROM
> images are used for research purposes.
>
> Now, let me return to Quake. How is someone going to research 3D game
> engines by playing a game? Playing games for research purposes is never
> going to hold water in court. However, if the person is REALLY going to
> research Quake's 3D Engine (without using it for gaming purposes), then not
> even the Supreme Court can stand up to that since they made the copyright
> law the way it is.
>
> So, Quake only has *maybe* 2 research purposes at the most. The TI ROM
> image has _unlimited_ research purposes.
>
> Again: Prove me wrong!
>
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