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TI Marches Onward
Posted by Michael on 9 August 2003, 21:14 GMT

TI has redesigned their calculator website, education.ti.com. The layout looks much better than the old version, in my opinion. There also is a new tutorials section, linking to a large number of tutorials on a variety of topics for all popular TI calculators. Unfortuately the 86 isn't covered, nor has TI made it easy to find mention of it anywhere.

TI also recently sold their 25 millionth graphing calculator, as noted in this press release.

 


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Re: TI Marches Onward
Matthew Marshall  Account Info

You're right! It does look better.
I noticed that it doesn't mention the 92+ eather. Is that anything new?

     9 August 2003, 21:25 GMT

Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
KermMartian Account Info
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Wow, that's a ton of graphing calculators, but keep in mind that this figure probably includes such oldies as the TI-99, etc. I like the new site design, but they needed to check for bugs better - I kept getting 404s.

     10 August 2003, 00:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Paul Schippnick  Account Info
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TI-99 ? The only TI-99 that the TI calculator division made that I am aware of was the TI-99/4, latter it was change to the TI-99/4A and there was a TI-99/2 and some others which never made it to market, there are a few unites of the TI-99/8 in existance. There was the TI-40 which was handheld which had the simular TI-BASIC as the TI-99/4(A) TI Extended BASIC. But the TI-40 was a one line LCD 40 colume text only, not color graphics as the TI-99/4A, which hooked up to a color monitor or TV if you used a vidio modulator.

     10 August 2003, 04:54 GMT


Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I think I like the new design better, too. Have they completely ditched all the other calcs except for the TI-83+[SE], TI-89, and v200?

     10 August 2003, 17:39 GMT

Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Matthew Marshall  Account Info

At any rate, they are not pushing them. I suppose that it is simpler to have fewer options, anyway.

MWM

     10 August 2003, 20:23 GMT

Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Michael O'Brien  Account Info
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Yeah, I also like the site more. I'm supprised that the 86 is not even on the discontinued list.

     10 August 2003, 22:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Travis Evans Account Info

I still wish they had it like they did way back before they even made it education.ti.com. Ever since they changed it to center around education, I've never been able to find anything ever. :-)

     10 August 2003, 23:22 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Joe B  Account Info

i have the same problem...

     11 August 2003, 00:31 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
KermMartian Account Info
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I agree - they've made it too hard to find things like their 83 assembly programming data and other tools.

     11 August 2003, 20:05 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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They're not very helpful with assembly period. After all, if it weren't for 3rd party programmers, they wouldn't have assembly at all.

Look at their "help" with 68k asm. Or what it used to be. Maybe they changed it on the new layout.

     12 August 2003, 13:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Travis Evans Account Info

It's a fact that when businesses hit that period that all business hit sooner or later, everything falls apart. :-)

     13 August 2003, 22:22 GMT

Re: TI Marches Onward
Barrett Anderson  Account Info
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one of the webmasters said they would put up a link to CalcGames.org when the site would be pushed august 6th..... it was actually pushed august 5th, and there was no link to CalcGames.org........ i've emailed this guy like a million times, and every time he said he'd put it back up.

can everyone do the world a favor and use their feedback forms (there are 2 kinds, 1 of them they actually read) and tell them to link to calcgames.org and get new "featured games of the month" and get a new cartoon... they're probably tired of seeing my name (well, i use different names, but the email address is always @calcgames.org, and they've probably guessed it's me feedbacking nonstop)

thanks!

i agree michael, the site is better than the last one.

     9 August 2003, 21:27 GMT

Re: TI Marches Onward
AndySoft  Account Info
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Yes, it might look better, but I wouldn't do any serious browsing without a broadband connection. It took me 30 seconds to load the 100KB of the main page.

     9 August 2003, 21:34 GMT


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angelboy Account Info
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Yeah, I agree. I have broadband, but I won't visit there very often, because it takes so long to load. (I'm spoiled with my broadband)

     9 August 2003, 23:37 GMT

Re: TI Marches Onward
David Phillips  Account Info
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It really sucks that they ditched the TI-86. It is arguably their best calculator. It is certainly better than the TI-82 line. While it doesn't have all the features of the TI-89, it has it beat in many areas.

     9 August 2003, 21:40 GMT

Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Andreas Finne  Account Info
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I agree, I really like the 86. It could be that it was my first calc, and I have an emotional bond to it, but anyway...

I'm sitting at Assembly '03 (www.assembly.org) right now, and they just had Mobile Demo Compo, there was one demo for the TI-86, and it got standing ovations...

     10 August 2003, 00:19 GMT

Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Paul Schippnick  Account Info
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I heard over a year ago that TI was going go discontinue The TI-86, TI-82, and TI-83 (not plus.) They redesigned the case for the TI-82 and TI-83 (not plus.) Which the battery compartment door was made wider and much much much more difficult to open. Moving the bottom I/O port to the side.

Now someting that should be noted regarding TI BASIC in the TI-86 verses TI-82, TI-83's, and TI-92's and TI-89 and TI-200. The TI-86 BASIC is case sensitive. So that a variable M would be different than variable m. Not so in other TI BASICs. This is besides any other differences in commands and functions.

     10 August 2003, 04:37 GMT

Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Paul Schippnick  Account Info
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Check the TI web page here for what is current (see other post below which mentions this link.)

     10 August 2003, 04:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
David Phillips  Account Info
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The BASIC in 85 is the same as in the 86. The difference is much more profound than merely being case sensitive. The 85 allows real variable names from one to eight characters in length. The 82 only allows variables A-Z. BASIC programs are pre tokenized on the 82 -- you can only enter tokenized commands. On the 85, programs are tokenized when they are run. Thus you can actually type out commands instead of entering them from the menu.

     11 August 2003, 00:16 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Paul Schippnick  Account Info
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Yes. But there are some other key differences too. The TI-82 & TI-85 did not support direct machine code (assembly) programming, the TI-83 and TI-86 do. Also the sequence of some implied operations were changed. For example 5/2x on the TI-82 and TI-85 was the same as 5/(2*x) were as the TI-83 and TI-86 would be (5/2)*x. The TI-86 also has some addtional commands such as DelVar(, which the TI-85 did not support. The differences are even more pronounced between the TI-82 to the TI-83. Unlike the TI-86 and the TI-85 where they share commmon TI BASIC, you just cannot merely transfer programs to and from the TI-82 and TI-83. You can transfer programs from the TI-86 back to the TI-85 via their respective Graph Link programs by cut and past.

     11 August 2003, 22:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Yes, but it's still very easy to port 83/+ programs to the TI-82 unless, of course, they use strings or something unsupported. Strings are commonly used in 83/+ BASIC programs and not on the TI-82 :(

Otherwise, it's not too hard to change stuff like int( to int, etc.

     12 August 2003, 13:37 GMT

Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I still think the TI-89 is the best calculator overall. It's easier to use, it's more powerful, it has flash ROM/archive, it can do a lot more math (calculus stuff is easy to use), there's a lot more memory, there's a lot of programs, games, and software for it, and it's supported by TI, and it looks like it still will be for a very long time.

     10 August 2003, 17:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
BlackThunder  Account Info
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The most popular calculator for games is the TI-83+ [SE], for some reason. And the calculator with the most memory is the Voyage 200 (2.7 MB), followed by TI-83+ SE (1.2 MB), only then is it followed by TI-89/92+ (512 KB). As for the fact that it's supported by TI, it's less supported than the Voyage 200 and TI-83+ SE. As for everything else, the V200 is better. ^_^

Have you ever noticed the packaging on a TI-83+? "Before you buy this, consider the TI-83 Plus Silver Edition, far superior to the TI-83 Plus with a faster processor, more Flash memory, and preloaded Apps, etc."

     24 August 2003, 19:26 GMT

Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
Unknown1 Account Info
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What areas do you mean? The ones I can think of are:

1. Programming: you can use tricks like
a-(a>21)+(a<0)->a
2. Fullscreen characters
Output is character based, not pixels
3. The actaul Physical screen slants down so dust cant get in the margins
4. Nice and simple menus

I think I'm missing some.....I used to have an 86, now I have an 89...

     16 August 2003, 16:53 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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>> 4. Nice and simple menus

You prefer them over the TI-89's menus!?

     16 August 2003, 18:59 GMT


Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
burntfuse  Account Info

Yeah. I hate it how they discriminate against the '86. I have a list of ~15 reasons why it's better than the '83+ which I posted on the "are you getting a new calculator for school" survey results page. I was able to find a TI-83+ SDK by TI with EVERY detail about EVERY API call and EVERY area of memory, but THE ONLY ASSEMBLY PROGRAMMING INFO ABOUT THE '86 WAS A FEW TINY PAGES WITH ONLY VERY BASIC INFORMATION ON THE SYSTEM FLAGS, THE DISPLAY, AND A FEW API CALLS. AT THE TOP OF ONE OF THE PAGES, IT SAYS THAT "MORE INFO WILL BE COMING SOON" BUT THAT WAS THERE >6 MONTHS AGO AND NOTHING'S BEEN ADDED SINCE THEN. Why do they leave the best Z80 calc that they make in the dust? They also don't seem to have much support for the '82 or '85, which I've heard are also very good. And yes, some parts are better than the '89, such as no incompatible ROM versions.

     18 August 2003, 14:20 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI Marches Onward
burntfuse  Account Info

Actually, I guess you could think of it as TI realizing that people who get the TI-86 are smarter anyways, so they would be able to figure out the assembly programming info that they don't release. :)

     19 August 2003, 19:13 GMT

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