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The High Price of Freedom
Posted by Henrik on 12 September 2001, 17:12 GMT

I doubt that there could be anyone who is not all too aware of the terrible tragedy that occurred yesterday in the United States. We live in a world that is now vastly different from what it was only a day ago.

Our community represents people from across the world. Of all our members, the majority are Americans. Almost certainly, someone amongst our number has lost someone they knew, someone they loved... it is entirely conceivable that a member of our community was among those who died. I do not know. In all likelihood, we will never know. But we do not need to know to show our compassion towards the victims of these terrible acts of terror. Those who died were fellow human beings, and that is enough.

I speak for the entire staff when I say that our thoughts are with you all at this time.

 


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Re: The High Price of Freedom
Jared  Account Info
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I think this is terrible.

     12 September 2001, 17:27 GMT

September 11th, 2001
JD Henshall  Account Info

What a terrible terrible diastaster. They NYC sykyline will be missing something for years to come.

However, Zytech Software acknolwedges the extent and sorrow of this American tragedy and it sends out it's condlences and support to those fmailes, bless their haert, who lost loved ones during a mindless act of terrorism. Also, Zytech would like to send some forma of aide to those who have lost during this tragedy. If any one or any other groups are intrested, please email me at the link above. Again, on behalf of Zytech, we send our support and God bless.

REMEMBER THE TWIN TOWERS!

- JD Henshall
Director, Zytech Software

     13 September 2001, 04:03 GMT

Re: September 11th, 2001
jtjdt  Account Info
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Does anyone think that the Twin Towers will ever be rebuilt?


-JD

     13 September 2001, 16:33 GMT

Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
lord_nightrose Account Info
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I hope they will be, as they are a symbol of the great nation we have made for ourselves. If they are, it won't be for a long time, simply because of the fact that cleanup from this tragedy might takes months, if not years. The reconstruction of two 110-story buildings, a 47-story building, and a 52-story building will not be quick, either. And it will not be easy to get supplies for such an endeavor into the middle of one the biggest cities in the U.S. All that aside, I hope as an American that they are indeed rebuilt.

9-11-01
never forget

     13 September 2001, 16:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
zztzed
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You know, a friend of mine was talking about this the other night. She thought it would be better if they built a park there. Her logic was, they rebuild the towers, they give terrorists another target, and a sort of like a big old middle finger to them, you know, like "Ha ha, you thought you could knock our buildings down? Well, look what we did! We rebuilt! So nyah!". Replacing the towers would make people feel unsafe. Uncomfortable. If they put a memorial park there, you know, with grass and trees and maybe a pond or something, they could at least have some respite from the demons that might otherwise be recalled by rebuilding the towers.

I think I agree with her.

     14 September 2001, 02:40 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
TheBlackKnight
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I can completely understand that idea, however it is implausible. You need to take a look at the area that land is in, the middle of New York City. The value of the land these buildings stand on is astronomical. Building a park where the World Trade Center used to stand would be a nice memorial, but I would rather see it rebuilt better than it was before to show that America will not tolerate such attacks, they will only make us stronger. Maybe a compromise could even be reached, say dedicating a floor of the building or an area outside to a memorial of the people who died.

     14 September 2001, 06:12 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
jaymz Account Info

The idea of a memorial passed completely over me, but i think we definitely should make some memorial, even if we rebuild the towers

     14 September 2001, 06:20 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
toan toan  Account Info

The idea of building a park is nice, but as you've said, it is very unlikely. The idea of building them bigger and better to display power is also nice but I think, that building them exactly to how it was would be the most aggressive remark. And when we take into account our contry's arrogance, it does not seem unlikely we would do just that.

     16 September 2001, 15:06 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
Kai  Account Info
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I have thought of the possibility of a park recently. I don´t like it for two main reasons:

1) It would give terrorists something to laugh at forever and would show great weakness.

2) If terrorists do decide to strike again, they will strike anything. To tell you the truth, I would be scared to death right now to work in the Empire State Building. Over time, I think we will all calm down.

I absolutly agree with you that a memorial should be built. A great one.

     14 September 2001, 17:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
Samir Ribic  Account Info
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Apart from many human victims, the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina had destructions of many historically important buildings:

- Old bridge in Mostar (rainbow like)
- Turkish mosques from 16 century in Banjaluka, Focha, Mostar and many other towns
- Olympic sport halls in Sarajevo
- Many partizans monuments from WWII
- University library in Sarajevo
- Monument to Gavrilo Princip (where started WWI)

Some of these objects were easely rebuild. The reconstruction of some other will take years. But, it happened that attempts to rebuild some other (mosques in Banjaluka and Trebinje) were attacked by fashistic riots (mainly Serbs).

WTC is symbol of New York, although it failed in the goal to be the highest building in the world. Technology is now better than it was 30 years ago, so this is a chance to reach it.

     17 September 2001, 10:14 GMT

Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
RaptorDrew  Account Info
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I heard that the towers will be built again.

     14 September 2001, 12:11 GMT

Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
Kai  Account Info
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I´ve heard they will be.

I also think they need to be. We need to show we will overcome this. The buildings need to built on latest technology inorder to prevent as much as possible from this side of the problem that this happens again.

Of course, the main thing to ensure is that our security is increased. No sharp objects should be allowed to taken on board. None at all. Of course, my initial thought when I heard what happend was that they had hijacked it without weapons at all. I thought maybe 30 tough guys had manged it. And that is always a possibility in the future, so we need to be careful.

The twin towers were not only the symbol of NYC, but of all of the U.S. They should be rebuilt.

     14 September 2001, 17:38 GMT


Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
jeff m  Account Info

The only problem with rebuilding the twin towers is that too many people will emotionally feel that they are symbols of the terrorist attack; they will become upset when they see the skyline; they will not wish set foot in the buildings. I still personally think that they should be rebuilt, though.

     15 September 2001, 02:16 GMT

Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
David Butenhoff  Account Info

It has been said by members of the government that the towers will definitely NOT be rebuilt, for many reasons, but mainly because of the great cost economically and emotionally. I dont know if I fully support this idea myself, but there is not much one can do to change a widespread decision such as that. Sorry Y'all

     15 September 2001, 20:13 GMT


Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
Brad Achorn  Account Info

Absolutely right. It is highly unlikely that the towers will ever be rebuilt. Especially 110 story twin ones. But you can expect the area to be rebuilt, and it will remain the World Trade center. And definitly expect monuments everywhere. I have already heard of surronding towns way up here in Maine starting funds for them.

While rebuilding the towers would be feel really great, it won't happen. By the time they would be done (five years? more?) the terrorists who did this will most likely be gone. And the economy was already on a downward slide, this can only hurt. What really need to do is show them that the strength of those two towers pales in comparison to the strength of us as a nation.

     25 September 2001, 22:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
dleet  Account Info

Remember, however, that the Empire State Building and the Hoover Dam were built during the depths of the Great Depression. They created jobs and boosted morale, and that is likely to happen again, recession or no recession.

As for rebuilding, you need to look at this from an engineering standpoint. The WTC complex was built in a concrete 'bathtub' which ran deep underground and kept groundwater from flooding the basements. It is still not known how this 'bathtub' held up after the collapses. It may very well be an engineering impossibility to build anything over a dozen stories on that site. However, the acreage is far too valuable. There will be more monstrous skyscrapers in lower Manhattan, it is just a matter of time.

     27 October 2001, 22:07 GMT

Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
Bradford5 Account Info

i think they will rebuild it because many countries had peopel there...it was a symbol to all...


GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!!

     16 September 2001, 21:40 GMT

Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
Tim Holt  Account Info

I doubt that the WTC will ever be rebuilt, but I would be completely surprised and outraged if something in the way of a monument were not built. I would like to go to NYC and see it someday.

     24 September 2001, 21:21 GMT


Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
Danimal

I believe that the grounds of the former WTC towers should eventually be rebuilt as one, enormous tower, greater than the twin 110-story towers that once stood in its place. A place that Americans would feel safe to work in, a reliquary to people of all nations, an establishment of security. This would truely be a display of the unity and resilience of the United States of America in the face of adversity.

     7 October 2001, 10:48 GMT

Re: September 11th, 2001
MikhailMik  Account Info

I live in NYC and when I first saw the Skyline without those magnificent stractures it felt like my space was violated and it really hurts in the heart.

To the terrorists: You have made a serious mistake. You have crosses all the possible boundaries. Even for terrorists it is too much. So beware you will pay for this!

P.S. I think we should shuve a nuke up the ass!

     14 September 2001, 19:53 GMT


Re: September 11th, 2001
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Does anyone find it strange when people INVENT a software "company" whose sole purpose is to write calc software and whose sole member is the person who invented it?

Not only strange, but arrogant?

     19 September 2001, 15:32 GMT


Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
Kane_82586 Account Info

OK Nightrose . . . what was the point of that? It's totally off-topic, not to mention rude. Of course it's not arrogant to start a company. Personally, I would be bored to death without calc games at school.

     21 September 2001, 02:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
Brad Achorn  Account Info

Yea, really, what was up with that? It is rare that any kind of company gets started with more than one person. (Example: Microsoft). And most good games, at least in asm or ion, are done "professionally" by a company.

     25 September 2001, 21:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: September 11th, 2001
lord_nightrose Account Info
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So I could go off and say I'm "Nightrose Software, Inc." and be a 'company' that doesn't actually exist, thereby trying to convince people my stuff is better. That's what I meant by 'strange'. Most of these 'companies' aren't actually companies, but people who want to make a name for themselves.

Microsoft wasn't started by one person. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs worked together to start it, but Jobs left to start Apple. The only successful one-man company I can think of off the top of my head is the Dow Chemical company.

I don't think it's arrogant to start a company. I think it's arrogant to pretend to be one just to get more downloads.

P.S.: I would be bored without games, too... so I make them.

     26 September 2001, 06:52 GMT

Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Rob Sowby  Account Info
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damn terrorists!

     13 September 2001, 23:13 GMT


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S. G. Account Info

Thank you for cursing the terrorists. It feels like a breath of fresh air not to hear (or read) someone cursing Muslims, Arabs, or Middle Easterners.

     24 September 2001, 23:15 GMT

Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Rob Sowby  Account Info
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I can't believe someone out there hates us Americans enough to blow the hell out of Manhattan and the Pentagon. But the American government is still in tact, and our nation is still running. Terrorists may have caused the fall of the World Trade Center Towers and the Pentagon, but the United States will still move on. The President and the Allies have sworn to find the people responsible and retalliate against this massive act of war.

     13 September 2001, 23:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Don Quixote Account Info
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While both in and tact are words, I believe the word you were searching for was intact.

Anyways, I think that this is a horrible tragedy. The worst sucker punch the world has ever known. However, I think we shouldn't be letting out lives grind to a stop. I am disappointed in any school outside of Manhattan that is closed, any sporting event or activity cancelled. And I will disapprove wholeheartedly if the NFL or Baseball teams delay/cancel games past Sunday. The goal of terrorism is to instill terror. So the longer we allow ourselves to soak in grief and fear, the loger they savor their victory.

     14 September 2001, 04:54 GMT


Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Bradford5 Account Info

********THIS DOES NOT RELATE TO THE SUBJECT
********THIS IS JUST A QUESTION I HAD

On August 14,2001, ticalc announced that TI was starting shipments of the free CD's to authors...Has anyone gotten these yet????
If you have post here because i haven't gotten mine and i live in Houston, TX

     24 September 2001, 06:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: The High Price of Freedom
Tim Holt  Account Info

There are other places to post questions like this!

     24 September 2001, 21:25 GMT

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