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TI-89 Titanium Hardware Version 4 Released
Posted by Michael on 3 May 2006, 01:32 GMT

[HW4 About Screen]Olivier Armand reports that new TI-89 Titanium calculators have hardware version 4, now the latest hardware revision. There is a discussion (in French) about this. So far, it has been determined that HW4 has a higher CPU speed, perhaps 16 MHz. Kevin Kofler has already released a new version of HW3Patch which is compatible with HW4.

Olivier also recently released TI-Vibe which is a music player for 68k calculators, similar to Real Sound for the 83+ series.

Update: Romain LiƩvin and Kevin Kofler have released a new version 2.08 of TiEmu, which adds support for HW4. You can download TiEmu for Windows and UNIX.

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Re: TI-89 Titanium Hardware Version 4 Released
cfackler Account Info

Maybe it'll include more memory, too.

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 01:34 GMT

Re: Re: TI-89 Titanium Hardware Version 4 Released
CajunLuke  Account Info
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Looking at the French board (Babelfish translated), and seeing the ROM size there, I believe that it is the same, or at least the same useable area.

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 05:13 GMT


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calcvids Account Info
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I've gotten about 30KB more RAM

Reply to this comment    19 August 2009, 21:53 GMT

Re: TI-89 Titanium Hardware Version 4 Released
lifeiscalc Account Info

That looks cool, it would be nice if it had a newer OS on it too. And why 16 MHz, wouldn't it make more sense to have it running a lot faster, like 35 MHz. I wish I could get one, but I already have a ti-89 ti and my parents would not buy me another calculator, and I have no money.

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 01:50 GMT

Re: Re: TI-89 Titanium Hardware Version 4 Released
nyall Account Info
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Because it can only go so fast. The 68k is a cpu without a cache, so frequencies are limited by the ram/flash.

In theory this is 33% sppeed improvement over HW2/HW3. There is one other variable that affects performance. So heres a question for Oliver: Do you know the value the OS writes to the ram/flash wait state register $600003 ?

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 02:14 GMT

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lifeiscalc Account Info

I think that the fastest a 68k chip will run is 33 MHz, so why don't they make it that fast. I might be wrong, but I have an old mac running a 68k CPU at 33 MHz so I would assume that a calculator on a 68k chip could run that fast.

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 02:24 GMT

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CajunLuke  Account Info
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Take the chip out of the Mac and put it in your TI - provided they're sockets.

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 02:52 GMT


ooh! Kofler is fast!!!
slimey_limey  Account Info
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The 89 is not socketed. That would increase the cost a bit, eroding TI's profit margins. There's no really good reason to socket the processor, anyway.

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 16:42 GMT

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Ranman  Account Info

Does your Mac have a 68000 or a 68020 CPU?

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 03:32 GMT


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CajunLuke  Account Info
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All the Macs and processor upgrade cards at lowendmac.com that are 33MHz are 68030s.

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 05:11 GMT


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Ranman  Account Info

I had an Amiga 600 with a 40MHz 68030 upgrade card.

The 68040 and 68060 had even faster speeds.

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 05:40 GMT


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calcvids Account Info
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Sony made some CLIEs with a 66MHz 68328. My Atari ST4 was arrested for speeding at 3MHz

Reply to this comment    23 April 2009, 00:20 GMT

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drewman05  Account Info
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HP's calcs have 75MHz CPUs in them (and an infrared link port and a SD slot) ~ I'm still waiting for TI to catch up...

TI's calcs are far more user friendly though- with HP's I've heard there's like a lot of commands you have to memorize, whereas on TIs they are in menus.

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 07:19 GMT


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supportthe81 Account Info

TI-Nspire: 150Mhz 320*240 16Grayscale TI-84Emulator
Its all too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply to this comment    21 September 2008, 05:26 GMT


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calcvids Account Info
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Still no SD or MirageOS...

Reply to this comment    23 April 2009, 00:22 GMT

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lifeiscalc Account Info

Why can't TI just put a MC68040 CPU in it?

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 12:58 GMT


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Kevin Kofler Account Info
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Because they aren't fully compatible, the 68040 chips use the 1010 and 1111 instruction lines for new instructions, whereas TI uses the 1010 and 1111 line emulators in the 68000 for other purposes. So AMS is not compatible with a 68040.

Reply to this comment    5 May 2006, 15:20 GMT


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supportthe81 Account Info

Palm m500 series PDAs run a 68k MC68VZ328 at 33Mhz.
Sony Clies with PalmOS 4.1S run a 66Mhz MC68SZ328.
The 68K limit is 66Mhz. Not 33Mhz. So why doesn't TI use MC68SZ328 us them in a HW5 TI-89 Titanium? Please respond.

Reply to this comment    21 September 2008, 05:19 GMT


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calcvids Account Info
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Those aren't compatible
Those CLIEs cost &499-$599
They would have to rework everything
It would be thin... ?

Reply to this comment    23 April 2009, 00:25 GMT


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calcvids Account Info
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It would have infrared, SD, touchscreen, and be rechargable all in a super slim package. ?

Reply to this comment    13 July 2010, 06:19 GMT


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ExtendeD  Account Info
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<<Do you know the value the OS writes to the ram/flash wait state register $600003 ?>>

It's the same value as the one for HW3 since AMS hasn't changed (and the boot code doesn't seem to initialize it anyway).

<<In theory this is 33% sppeed improvement over HW2/HW3. >>
I wouldn't say "HW2/HW3: 12Mhz. HW3: 16Mhz". It seems to be a bit more complicated than this.
I have written a small tool (link above) specially for the HW4's CPU speed measurement (I preferred to trust my own code for this; any suggestion to improve it are welcomed). I get :
- TI-92 Plus HW2: 14.05 Mhz
- TI-89 Titanium HW3: 12.79 Mhz
- TI-89 Titanium HW4 : 16.07 Mhz
And as Pollux emphasized in yAronet's discussion, the execution time of the instructions may depend on the instructions executed, it's more complicated than just couting the number of cycles (and using interrupts for the measurement may not help), so the absolute values shouldn't be taken as is.

TI-Vibe is also an excellent tool to measure the relative speed: just compare the sound you get at a given sample rate on different calculator models. Yes, I have to set a higher sample rate for my 92+ HW2 to get the correct sound, it *is* faster than my Titanium HW3 :)

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 19:25 GMT


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nyall Account Info
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Are there any other benchmarks? Like frame rates for the FAT engine or any of the several mode 7 engines ?

I looked at the code. I'm not sure why you're adding the highest bit of the remainder to the quotient? Remainders aren't fixed point math. Shouldn't the logic be:

denominator = 10000;
quotient = x/denominator;
remainder = x % denominator;
if (remainder >= (denominator/2))
{
quotient += 1;
}

Reply to this comment    3 May 2006, 22:45 GMT


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ExtendeD  Account Info

Thanks, you're right, I've fixed it (fortunately the result doesn't change much).

Reply to this comment    4 May 2006, 21:00 GMT


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Is it possible to overclock the cpu of earlier HW revisions to get them up to par with HW4?

Reply to this comment    5 May 2006, 20:15 GMT

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lifeiscalc Account Info
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I don't know about the ti-89 titanium, but the ti-89 can be over-clocked by looking at the link

Reply to this comment    6 May 2006, 01:04 GMT


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Someone_  Account Info
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This page has a guide to overclock a TI-89. I wonder if a 33pF condensator would overclock it to HW4 level, if a 22pF overclocks it to approximately double clock speed?

Reply to this comment    7 May 2006, 13:51 GMT

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