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Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Jonathan Pezzino  Account Info
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I took a random guess without calculating and said ln(i). Yay for laziness and ignorance.

Reply to this comment    16 May 2005, 21:00 GMT


Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
alex10819 Account Info
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lol... Talk about logic...

yeah, if you have a calc at hand, its easy... otherwise, you gotta guess and hope you know...

Reply to this comment    16 May 2005, 21:32 GMT

Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Joshua Loya  Account Info
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well, yeah!... or you could just look it up and answer it later, i mean, you don't have to answer it as soon as you see it!

Reply to this comment    17 May 2005, 10:45 GMT

Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
burntfuse  Account Info
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No necessarily, all decent operating systems I know have a decent calculator built in.

Reply to this comment    18 May 2005, 00:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Rob van Wijk  Account Info

A calc that supports imaginary numbers? I've looked at the calc in Win XP (or doesn't that count as "a decent operating system"?), and I couldn't get it to do complex math.

Reply to this comment    18 May 2005, 01:07 GMT

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Zeroko  Account Info
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I am not sure if Windows XP is decent, but I know its calculator is. While it lacks imaginaries & other such more advanced concepts, it supports huge integers to some extent, which few built-in calculators do (including all TI calculators' OS's as far as I know). The calculator in XP seems more geared to programmers, but considering that it was written by (& probably tested by) programmers, that is understandable - not too many imaginaries in operating systems & productivity software, I hope. :)

Reply to this comment    18 May 2005, 01:55 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Chris Williams  Account Info

The 68k calculators support large integers, even up to about 250 digits or more (I can't remember right now). That's probably not as many digits as the WinXP calc can handle, but it's good enough for most purposes.

Reply to this comment    18 May 2005, 19:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Zeroko  Account Info
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Windows XP's calculator supports over 300,000 digits. It may very well have a proper arbitrary-size integer implementation (if Microsoft math routines (or any other kind, for that matter) can be trusted to work outside of their test range).

Reply to this comment    19 May 2005, 14:16 GMT


Re(8): e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Rob van Wijk  Account Info

I wanted to test that. I got to 1,1858413391173947135123234475118 e +1004823 (that is over a million digits) before I decided to give up. (have you ever seen this screen:
The requested operation may take a very long time to complete.
Do you want to let the calculation continue, or stop the operation now?
LOL)

Reply to this comment    19 May 2005, 14:58 GMT

Re: Re(8): e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Chris Williams  Account Info

I *have* seen that! I always let it continue, of course. :)

Reply to this comment    19 May 2005, 19:16 GMT


Re: Re(8): e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Zeroko  Account Info
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I used to see how high I could get it to go in computer class after I finished my work (basically, the first 5 minutes). Those computers were slower, though. Another fun thing to do is fill an entire Excel spreadsheet with 1's (not 0's, since they might be more memory-efficient) using Fill Down/Right with the whole thing selected. :)

Reply to this comment    19 May 2005, 23:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Rob van Wijk  Account Info

What do you mean? I've done a couple of projects where the productivity seemed completely imaginary. And the stabily of some operating systems is definitely more imaginary than it is real. ;)

Reply to this comment    19 May 2005, 14:50 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Then use Google. Google can do LOTS of math. It will even let you take the factorial of non-integral values, something even a TI-89 won't do.

Reply to this comment    18 May 2005, 21:43 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Chris Williams  Account Info

The TI-89 won't do that?! That's strange, because my TI-86 can take the factorial of a non-integer.

Reply to this comment    18 May 2005, 23:31 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Zeroko  Account Info
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Unfortunately, that wonderful code from the TI-86 never made it into the 68K calculators' ROM's. Maybe TI could include it in their next OS upgrade (not too likely, but it would be nice not having to track down the formula every time I need it).

Reply to this comment    19 May 2005, 14:18 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Rob van Wijk  Account Info

Well, burntfuse said "No necessarily, all decent operating systems I know have a decent calculator built in.", so if you consider Google built-in, then your OS would be what, the Internet? :D (And then there are people calling Windows bloated...)

Reply to this comment    19 May 2005, 14:46 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Zeroko  Account Info
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Windows is bloated because the redundancies are quite useless & make it harder to understand/fix. The Internet's redundancies make it more stable & failsafe, & so should not really be considered bloat.

Reply to this comment    21 May 2005, 02:13 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Chris Williams  Account Info

Microsoft also insists on backwards compatibility (yet stuff still breaks all the time), but it wouldn't be as big of a problem if they didn't have a lot of broken API's in the first place!

Microsoft: just fix the darn interfaces! (They won't, of course)

Reply to this comment    21 May 2005, 03:52 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Steven Z Account Info
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Well, 86 will do it, and you can cheat and use the Gamma integral to compute the factorial:
z!=int(e^-t*t^z,t,0,infinity)

Reply to this comment    23 May 2005, 14:00 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
Steven Z Account Info
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TI-89 is actually more precise if you change the display digits and use the Gamma integral.
Plus, google can't do symbolics, and a laptop is too big to carry to the testing room (and banned).

Reply to this comment    23 May 2005, 14:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
CajunLuke  Account Info
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I use Mac-81 for almost everything.

Reply to this comment    19 May 2005, 16:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: e^(pi*i) + 1 =
db810  Account Info
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Why would you need to guess? You shouldn't need a calculator, but if you do use GOOGLE or one of the other 10^9(e^(pi*i)+ 2) online calculators.

Reply to this comment    24 May 2005, 23:11 GMT

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