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Re: Do you think calculators with computer algebra systems should be allowed on standardized tests?

David
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Technology is becoming more of a part of our lives every day. Calculators today are much better than they were ten years ago. And, they will keep getting better and more affordable. If most people spend a third of the time learning how to do things on their graphing calculators that they spend playing games on them, then I think that more people would generally agree that using calculators on tests is fair. Everybody has the same advantage. If you have spent the time to learn how to use your calculator well, I think that you deserve the higher grade.
This is just my thoughts on this, and I understand that some people would disagree. Perhaps the TI89/92(+) is a little bit of an overkill, but these technically use AMS (Advanced Mathematics Software), and not CAS (Computer Algebra System) like the TI83 uses. I don’t see anything wrong with using a CASbased system on standardized tests.

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28 February 2000, 04:29 GMT


Re: Do you think calculators with computer algebra systems should be allowed on standardized tests?

meingts

I haven't voted yet. (I believed it depended on the nature of the test, but as it turns out...anyway) In California we have the STAR test, and we are not allowed to use calculators. Even without the calculators the test was somewhat of an insult (it was a 30 minute test which we were given 90 minutes for, roughly). I would guess then that calculators are NOT to be allowed on standardized tests, and that the tests should use numbers that are easy enough to work with without use of a calculator.

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28 February 2000, 05:21 GMT


Re: Do you think calculators with computer algebra systems should be allowed on standardized tests?

ikecam
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Okay, people...
The point of a test is to find out how much you know. If I were to take the AP Calculus exam (I don't have to; I already have 13 hours of collegelevel math credit), then I would have to be able to integrate and differentiate and solve differential equations. Those are some of the things being tested. They want to know if you know any calculus.
But if you have a TI89 or 92(+), you don't have to know how to do that. You can simply use the Integrate() function and all those other nifty things. The fact is, you don't really have to know anything about calculus, as long as you have a CAS.
The CAS is a way of being lazy. It should only be used when the computations in question would be routine (e.g. finding limits in my Discrete Math class). Otherwise, you shouldn't get to use it.

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28 February 2000, 05:24 GMT





Re: Re: Do you think calculators with computer algebra systems should be allowed on standardized tests?

john bellinger

This is absolutely the most ignorant comment I have EVER heard. But, you did profess ignorance, so I suppose I shan't have to flame you into oblivion. But the reality of the AP Calc exam (which, BTW I did get a 5 on) goes as follows. Half of the test you're allowed to use a calculator, including my lovely 89. half of the test, you AREN'T. No calculator whatsoever. Simple as that. In case you were wondering, the highest you can get without getting any of the noncalculator part right is a 2. A 2 is not a passing grade ANYWHERE. So all of you jealous people who want to whine and cry that I had an unfair advantage and think it shouldn't be allowed (I had like 10 in my calc class) can go stick their calculators where the sun don't shine. They don't even know how to use them to their potential anyway, hell I had to (in 12th grade AP calculus) show 5 how to CHANGE THE CONTRAST on their 83s and 86s, because none of them had ever cracked the manual. Symbolic manipulation is an awesome too, but it won't take your tests for you. Not real tests, anyway.

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28 February 2000, 07:50 GMT


Calcs with CAS should be allowed (and in my school they are allowed)

Rafael Andrist

All students in our school have a TI89, they must buy it, like a book with translations or something else. That's because the calcs with CAS are allowed in tests. Every stupid can solve an equation and therefor we have calcs. So in tests we must solve complex problems by thinking and the calc does the stupid work.

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28 February 2000, 19:06 GMT








Re: Re: Calcs with CAS should be allowed (and in my school they are allowed)

David Strauss
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Most people in advanced math courses are in high school and hence, can have jobs. I have a summer job. Even though I don't live in the inner city, I still pay for many of my electronics. A year ago, I spent all of my summer job earnings to pay for $1000 toward the cost of my computer. Less than six months ago, I paid $300 of my own money for a PDA to organize my schedule and assignments. The organizer alone is twice what a TI89 costs. You also don't have to be a CEO to earn the money. Bagging groceries or delivering pizza will suffice. I only get paid around $4.50 to $5.00 an hour for my job since it's seasonal work.
Additionally, people who care about their high school grades and SAT scores are probably planning to go to college, which costs a good amount more than $150, even with scholarships and financial aid.
Regarding theft, I keep my TI89 in my binder, which is in my backpack and I take with me all around my campus. Only people carelessly leaving their calculator around would get it stolen. This viewpoint is not just derived from my own district. I've traveled to schools all around Texas and haven't had any problem with my calculator being stolen even when out of my control or left in my binder on some table.

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1 March 2000, 03:05 GMT


No way.

Cha$ Kapeno

I think they should not be used. Don't get me wrong, I use my ti89 and ti86 a lot. Anytime we do something in math I write a program to do it. I think that if you use programs they should only be ones you write, because that proves you have an understanding at what goes on. The only math prog I used not written by myself was Kirk's cymbol to simplify radicals(this was before my 89) because it would be hard to write one in BASIC. When I took the PSAT's I scored a near perfect in math, I didn't understand some quiestions but my 89 really helped me. I didn't feel right about using it, but hey, it's a good score. The 89/92 family gives its users(who ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO USE IT) a very unfair advantage in a lot of things, hey I even wrote a program to conjugate french verbs! But I don't think I wouldn't have recieved nearly as high a score without the CAS of my trusty 89.
Cha$

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28 February 2000, 21:49 GMT


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