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Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Jonathan Katz  Account Info
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Survey idea by Morgan.

This is an open-ended survey question to see if voting for "Program of the Year" should be done differently this year, so feel free to share your ideas of how you think that POTY should be handled in 2004.

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 01:17 GMT

IRV
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

>>There are no comments yet. Why don't you add one?

OK, I'll add one.

I have a system to propose. Instead of radiobutton-type, one-or-the-other voting, there should be a way to rank them in order of preference.

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 01:18 GMT

Re: IRV
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

One minute late. Sorry. Please disregard the first three lines.

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 01:19 GMT


Re: IRV
Matthew Marshall  Account Info
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Hey, I like that idea. Sometimes, it is very hard to choose just one favorite.

MWM

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 13:56 GMT

Re: Re: IRV
The Muffin Man Account Info
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Why not have catagory specific POTY? ie: Math, Science, Games, Misc; etc. This would show us who is setting the stardard for each type of program(not so much platform type). Restricting POTY to one winner as such would bring out the gamers bias.

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 19:28 GMT


Re: Re: Re: IRV
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Well, the only problem with that is there won't be a program in every category. Or, another problem is that, for some categories, there may only be one. Automatic nomination. Heh, though I guess that isn't too bad of a thing.

We used the polls to vote last time, right? My memory is broken today.

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 19:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: IRV
Timmc Account Info
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Heh, just saying that a game is more likely to win POTY then a Math or Science program due to users "needing" to play games all the time.

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 10:00 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IRV
Geoffrey Ji  Account Info

Precisely! So then, only games get voted on, and math\science programs get close to 0 votes!

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 18:06 GMT


burntfuse  Account Info

Yes, unfortunately for us who write utilities, that does seem to be the case... :-(

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 19:13 GMT


Re:
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I don't think that's true. Most of us can look at programs from a higher viewpoint, since the majority of people on ticalc.org program and can appreciate good programming. Yeah, games are more fun, and you're going to spend more time with them, but if there's a utility that's really handy that can do a lot of stuff for you, and it makes your life easier on the calc... then it deserves a vote as well. I usually think when voting: "What program could I _not_ go without on my calculator" That sometimes could be a game, sometimes a utility... it varies, depending on what was programmed that year. Anyway, I personally don't care whether we divide up the programs into categories or not, but if we did, we certainly wouldn't be able to use the poll system to vote on the programs. The staff would have to make a whole other voting page... not that this is a problem, but again, the problem about not enough programs being selected for each category is still unsolved. Anyway, I don't think we'd have a problem with keeping them all in the same group. Utilities can be just as good (or bad) as games can. I wouldn't worry about that.

Reply to this comment    18 July 2004, 15:18 GMT

Re: Re:
Timmc Account Info
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*withdraws comment that was going to be the intended reply*
Perhaps a poll that asks us users why we come to ticalc.org should be added. Might be surprised at what catagories users are interested in. That is to suggest that users don't just download games all the time and ignore the ticalc community.

Reply to this comment    19 July 2004, 09:26 GMT


Re: Re:
Jake Griffin  Account Info
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What about this...instead of breaking it up into "Math / Science / Games / Utilities..." what if it were just "Games / Non-games" for each calculator group? Then there would most likely be at least a few in each category, AND the game bias is gone. I also liked the idea of the guy with second post...no radio buttons. But instead of arranging all of them, maybe just 1st choice (worth 3 votes), 2nd choice (2), and 3rd choice (1). That would be cool...

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 06:03 GMT

Re: Re: Re:
Timmc Account Info
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That would be suggesting that Games dominate the programming scene and that other forms of programming need to be in a group to be in any comparison... ;-)

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 09:56 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Tzazak  Account Info

No, it just means games get a little more high-end. Games can be real-time, turnbased, etc. With a utility, it completes a computation and gives you an answer, or some variation of that. Because games have more reason to show things graphically instead of spitting out numbers, they get better, and then people want to beat the best game, so they make something better. With utilities, you're not competing against a periodic table if you make something to help someone in calculus. With games, you compete against ALL other games.

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 15:24 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Timmc Account Info
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However, routines to manipulate "numbers" do improve. They get more precise results and usually much faster. ;-)

Reply to this comment    21 July 2004, 10:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re:
nyall Account Info
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Based on sheer numbers yes.

The one and only Cheerio:
-Samuel

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 17:02 GMT


Re: Re: Re:
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Hmmmm... I like that idea.

As for the 1st/2nd/3rd, we could have
1st=4 points
2nd=2 points
3rd=1 point

And whichever proggy gets the most points wins! Or should we do 1/2/3 points?

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 19:30 GMT


burntfuse  Account Info

I voted "no" at first, but that does seem like a very good idea...

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 19:12 GMT

Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
DWedit  Account Info
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Limiting it only to featured programs makes the whole thing worthless, unless the users can directly suggest an existing program to become featured.

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 03:10 GMT


Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Um, they can. Send an e-mail to news@ticalc.org with a link to the program that you think should be featured. This is not a new system.

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 03:28 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Jeremiah Walgren  Account Info
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I don't think many people know about that, though. Perhaps there should be some kind of e-mail that is sent to a person when they sign up that explains some of the basics of the site?

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 16:00 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Timmc Account Info
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Hmm, the site seems fairly straight forward. I can just image the amount of emails promoting programs to be featured. ;-P

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 19:45 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
CajunLuke Account Info
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I tried. I got ignored. (Of course, it was my own program, but still...!) I even gave good reasons why it should be featured!.

Reply to this comment    16 July 2004, 20:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
nyall Account Info
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You sent an email asking for one of your programs to be appreciated?
Are you a man or a girl?

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 00:14 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Lewk Of Serthic Account Info
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How is that relevant?

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 02:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
nyall Account Info
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asking other people to validate your acomplishments is for little girls.

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 03:09 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Matthew Marshall  Account Info
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How so?

MWM

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 21:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Jake Griffin  Account Info
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Oh, so when you go to apply for a job, you leave the "skills" section blank? And you never plug your own programs, or put your name or email address in the readmes of your programs because then you might get a "thanks?" How about you just keep your narrowminded comments to yourself. THere is nothing wrong with asking to get your program featured. It's not like a guaranteed thing anyway, some people just do it because maybe it was a REALLY great program, and they'd like to get SOME recognition for the hard work they put into it.

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 06:07 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Tzazak  Account Info

And if he's got good reason for his program to get featured, they'll do it. If not, they'll just ignore it. It's the same as someone else emailing them about it, they don't make a biased review of it if he asks them.

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 15:26 GMT


burntfuse  Account Info

Exactly-just as if someone else had submitted it.

Reply to this comment    21 July 2004, 19:48 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
nyall Account Info
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Sorry but there is a difference between advertising and asking for appreciation.

Back in the day of the old tinews I would advertise when I updated something to my site, my way of being nice. I put my email and name on my programs because of pride. I like getting emails from people who thank me. It's fun to hear from people around the world.

Convincing individuals on a one on one basis that your software is good is demeaning.

As far as resumes go, they are different as there is employment=money involved.

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 16:59 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Jake Griffin  Account Info
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>> I put my email and name on my programs because of pride.

Well, then, you should understand that, with even more pride in your programs, you would want them to go even further than having your name on them...perhaps all of the way to POTY...

Reply to this comment    21 July 2004, 17:09 GMT


burntfuse  Account Info

YES!!! There are many great programs that I've seen that get no recognition (no, none of them are mine). In that case, there's nothing wrong with the author trying to get their program featured-otherwise, it just gets ignored. It's not like he said "YOU MUST FEATURE THIS INCREDIBLE PROGRAM OR ELSE!!!".

Reply to this comment    22 July 2004, 14:30 GMT


Re:
Tzazak  Account Info

And if someone did say that, they have serious issues. No offense to anyone who has actually done that...wait, that was supposed to be offensive to anyone who did that. Unless they were joking...

Reply to this comment    22 July 2004, 20:24 GMT


burntfuse  Account Info

LOL...yeah, they would have *problems*...

Reply to this comment    22 July 2004, 21:37 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Geoffrey Ji  Account Info
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He's a guy. How old, I don't know, but his profile shows he's a guy, unless theres a girl named Benjamin.

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 18:09 GMT

burntfuse  Account Info

Can it still be entered for the POTY if it wasn't released in 2004? If it can, I'm going to immediately nominate a lot of progs...

Reply to this comment    17 July 2004, 19:21 GMT


Re:
Jonathan Katz  Account Info
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I believe it needs to be uploaded sometime during 2004.

Reply to this comment    18 July 2004, 01:42 GMT


burntfuse  Account Info

Yeah, I thought so but I was just making sure...I would really have liked to nominate Bubble Bobble, ATE, iShell, and HexView... :-(

Reply to this comment    21 July 2004, 19:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
tal_oz  Account Info
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Um yeah I guess you can do that but its not like your program was worth it the first time morgan or johnatan or any of the ticalc.org staff saw it. They usually know which programs deserve to be featured. But hey if it works for you GOOD JOB!

Reply to this comment    18 July 2004, 02:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Would you like to see a different method of voting for POTY?
Jake Griffin  Account Info
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I think that a lot of the time they don't PLAY the games or anything...maybe a really great program got overlooked? You guys need to stop harping on the people that try to get their progs featured...Oh wait...you're just a BASIC programmer and don't understand just how HARD it is to write good ASM programs. I forgot. And if you're going to reply with some smart comment about how I only program TI-BASIC, let me save you some trouble. I don't. I also program in C, C++, Java, HP-BASIC, HP-ASM, and mayn others...I just don't upload them, because they aren't calc related (except for one java applet that was rejected a year ago).

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 06:12 GMT


Difficulty
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

It is also hard to write a really good TI-BASIC program that does something.

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 08:02 GMT


Re: Difficulty
Tzazak  Account Info

NOt really, it's just hard to write a good basic game. I didn't say it's impossible, for I know of many good ones. I just said it's hard. Utilities are pretty easy in basic though, or at least 89 basic.

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 15:28 GMT


Re: Re: Difficulty
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

Try this: a windowed, multitasking, GUI-based, no-exposed-functions defragmenter with a progress bar and graphics to keep the user entertained (moving blocks) while the calculator is defragmented.

That's hard.

Reply to this comment    20 July 2004, 19:41 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Difficulty
Jake Griffin  Account Info
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Try this: A defragmenter that gets done five times quicker because the author of the program didn't waste his time trying to entertain the user in a program not meant to entertain... ;)

Reply to this comment    21 July 2004, 17:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Difficulty
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

Non-entertained users become irritated at the speed of the program, no matter how fast it is.

Reply to this comment    21 July 2004, 23:00 GMT

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