yea, i chose z80, i just have a ti-83+ silver edition

<massive shuddering>That's your primary hardware platform?

OMG, so did I... but only because I don't know my primary platform


CABLE MODEM!!!! GOT IT YESTERDAY!!!!!! WWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

welcome to the faster, better internet!!!

Yay! It's flame war time on ticalc, @D51 pwn5 j00r c@bl3! I have had better luck on adsl on cable, especially since our cable company only offers one IP and I am too poor to waste cash on a router rather than a cheap hub, when DSL is fast enough (and very fast) for me.

DSL is slow. I get a max download speed of 1.44Mbps (180 KBPS). Average is around 768kbps (96KBPS). The fastest DSL I've ever seen only got around 256Kbps (32KBPS).

Why is it that everywhere I go, people complain that either cable or DSL is slower than the other? It all depends on your location and which package you(or your parents) are willing to pay for from the ISP, for example, my cable ISP offers a cheap 128kbitdl/64kbitul and also offers 1.5mb/s for more... Saying one is faster than the other is pretty ignorant...

(It is possible to get faster than that on cable... it's just the local example...)

Of course that is right, but it is also immoral to innterrupt a fight of this type, like in a half life teamplay crowbar fight...

Its perfect to interrupt this fight, because there is noone shooting with sawed-offs or assault rifles, and I don't see any switchblades yet. :P

THEY CALL ME THE KING BEACUSE YO A DUMBASS 2 CROSS ME.

No no no... you're missing the point. Whether or not it is ignorant to argue about it does not matter, it is best to let those who choose to be ignorant wallow in their own ignorance every now and then. After all, take away the ignorance from an ignorant person, and what have they got left? Nothing...

well... Maybe it isn't nice to interrupt their argue, but still... There's no mening in saying "mine's faster than yours!!!" since they are both REALLY fast compared to a 56k modem... I could brag about my modem, but then it's like trying to overtake a formula-1 car whith a moped from the fourties... =(

The entire point of the argument is to say "Mine is faster than yours!" That's the whole idea of even starting the flame war...

Yeah!!! and of course they are best if you take them completly seriously and complain about them, feeding the war mongers to start another war...

precisely, a subject in which i have incredible skills

It's not an argument if you're simply stating facts. It's called 'fact-based observation'. All I said was that the fastest DSL I'd ever seen was slower than the cable modem I'm using right now. I didn't say something like "DSL sucks because it's always slow"; I actually provided data to back up what I said.

not fighting, but here in southwest bc, my DSL is as fast as that cable you mention, 1.5 mbps often... but apologies for trying to start a flamewar that everyone is taking so badly. Oh, and really fast dsl can get 5 mbps

I think you mwan 54 mpbs, that is avaiable in Japan.

54mb/s!!! Can people even breathe when going that fast!

MWM

yes, but usually hyperventillation sets in soon after

LOL... hey, we need a new survey.

Yup, you are right about that.

LOL... hey, we need a new survey.

Yup, you are right about that. Woah, Deja Vu...

>>DSL is slow. I get a max download speed of 1.44Mbps (180 KBPS).

Well, count yourself lucky.
I'm on a dialup, max speed = 700bps.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Are we so spoiled that we consider DSL slow? I have a 56k modem and I'm happy with it- it downloads just fine, even though it takes a while for some.

Yeah, we are so spoiled. :-)

I downloaded a CD image (of Slackware Linux 9.0) in less than an hour (~230KB/s) on my cable connection, which would take a *couple days* to download at 56Kb/s.

hehe... i get pretty much 0 adds. i hated dsl almost as much as the 56k. and routers aren't that expensive, at least, mine wasn't

I once downloaded a ~700 MB Linux disc image in about 30 minutes on our cable modem. I knew cable modems were fast, but even that amazed me. Of course, you also have to be lucky enough to pick the right server to get speeds like that. A chain is never stronger than its weakest link, of course.

that's why sometimes it's best to use more than one chain

if you have multiple dialup connections in parallel, you can get it (practically) as fast as you want. this applies to DSL also. But not cable, because everyone on the block shares the same bandwidth.

That's the principle behind PLIP. 64 parallel connections, each running at 256 kilobytes/sec = throughput of up to 16384 kilobytes/sec. (16 megs a SECOND!!)

Lol!! sweet... guess you need an OC line to run a dialup server... and latency would be high on plip, wouldn't it, or are dialups low lag low transmission or high lag?

1000mb/s, which is a lot cheaper than 64 parrallel cables, gets 125mB/s.

Even Firewire and USB2 get 50mB/s, 100mB/s for Firewire800.

As for my cable company, they have a pool of bandwidth that everyone shares. Each modem is limited to a specific amount of downstream and upstream. It sucks, but multiple connections would speed things up.

Hm.. with my Cable company, we get our bandwidth allotted much like that, however, if I were to say, "borrow" a friends calbe modem, and hook it up through a special piece of equipment, I can merge the two connections because their total is still less than the maximum for our block...(And as far as I know no-one has been able to 'uncap' their modem in my area...)

I downloaded photoshop, i think that it is 650MB, in 7 minutes.

-W-

i've downloaded all of the 1386 debian distribution cds in 5 min.

<flame war>
Yeah, but if you had Lindows then your internet would be the same speed as broadband regardless of your connection because of how it gets info off the internet.
</flame war>

Um... that doesn't quite make sense

Yeah, but it can't its not possible. Unless it seriously undercuts the speed of broadband...

Okay no_one... I've a few questions (to satisfy my own curiosity and such.) 1)How is your modem hooked up to your computer?; 2)What proc/speed proc do you have?; and 3)Ain't high speed cable great?!! (Had it since December, albiet with problems.)

Alright... (notice that I am not the brightest member of ticalc.org)
1. It was hooked up when I was at a sleepover, so I'm not really sure. LOL But we are "renting" this modem- it isn't ours. We're going to buy our own just like it so we can cut the cost of the monthly price that we pay, and there's probably other advantages that I haven't thought over yet, too.
2. Um... dunno, but it's fast. ;-) What do you mean, here? Download speed?
3. YES. YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

Okay let me specify on #2. Do you have a Pentium, Pentium-2, Pentium-3, Pentium-4, or an AMD processor. To find out in Windows, (one way at least) open the run window and type "dxdiag" (no quotes). This will tell you what type of processor you have and approx what speed. (Look at the bottom of the window.

Pentium 4, 2.4GHz.

1. very tiny card in my PowerMac
2. IBM PowerPC 970, 1.6 GHz
3. YES YES YES.

I think most cable modems hook up either through an Ethernet card or USB.

They normally do. However, I think that they rarely come in a card form. Chances are he is just confused.

No, I'm not confused, merely curious as to the main way that cable modems are connected to people's computers. I have my modem hooked up through a USB port, although I think that having an PCI Ethernet card would be a heck of a lot faster on the 500 Mhz P-III I'm using. I have (at best) USB 1.1 on my PC and as such I'm limited to 12/Mbps (max.) transfer speed. The 132/MBps to 1/GBps transfer speeds of PCI would much less hinder my modem's 30 to 40 Mbps theoretical maximum download speed.
Oh and if you understood all this, I congratulate you.

> Oh and if you understood all this, I congratulate you.

Why, thank you!

MWM

Welcome.

Well, I doubt that it is (even theoretically) possible to get even 10 mbps on a cable, T1 is symetrical 1.5 I think, T3 is probably 5 mbps or something, anyone know for sure?

Nah, you'd probably never get more than 10 mbps over cable. And yeah a T1 is 1.5 mbps a T3 is 45 mbps, so perhaps it would be more accurately called T30.

OMG... did I start this whole thread by saying that I got a cable modem? Whoa... I feel special! ;-)

Hey...... question

How can I improve the speed of my cable modem? It was SOOOOOOO fast... and now it seems to be slowing down. Is it because we keep it on all day? Any tips on how to keep it going fast? I am a n00b at this, so be easy if I seem like an utter moron. :)

That is the problem with cable. It fluctuates with the amount of people putting strain on the system. Occasionally, I have to reset my DSL modem or ethernet hub, try resetting all of the non-computer equipment, unless you have cable hooked directly up to your computer, not through ethernet (wide phone line end wires).

Really and truely, it is probably your service. More people have signed up and using the bandwidth.

Well, right now, it's going blazing fast again. It's weird. I think it's because of all the evil college students that flock over here. That's when it slowed down. They're stealing my bandwidth! *cry*
I've also noticed that certain times of the day are better than others. (Like it was with the 56k, except the speed changes are more drastic) In the morning, it's REALLY fast. Past dinner... it's much slower, but still SO MUCH BETTER than the 56k speed. :-D

stealing is right, cable is shared, in populace areas or areas with many people to one cable exchange or whatever, speed drops terribly at peak. On the other hand, all telephone wires are not shared, and hence, DSL ALWAYS R0X0RX!!!