Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards

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Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards


oh =] That's a pretty good idea actually. But extracting a usable key still
may be impossible.


----- Original Message -----
From: Joe <joeknoll@myself.com>
To: <assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards


>
> I think you misunderstood... If you have to send your program to TI to
have
> them sign it... and then they return it to you... compare the new copy
with
> the original.  Nothing to do with the ROM's  (I don't think).
> --Joe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Serial <Serial@earthlink.net>
> To: <assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
>
>
> >
> > That would work except the 2.01 is almost half the size of the 1.00/05
> > And most hex editors compare and after the first difference, everything
> > below is different.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joe <joeknoll@myself.com>
> > To: <assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 3:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
> >
> >
> > >
> > > wouldn't you be able to compare the hex of both programs and find out
> what
> > > changed?  Sure some of the jumps would have different values... but
that
> > > could be compensated for ...and like someone else eluded to... there's
> > > always ways.  Oh, yeah... and on encryption... I heard that it's all
> based
> > > off of primes (one reason why security companies are so interested in
> > > finding bigger and bigger prime numbers -- the current one is pretty
> > big...
> > > it's like a 512 k txt file).
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Dial <wrath@calc.org>
> > > To: <assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 12:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > No because you don't actually sign the apps yourself. You send them
to
> > > > TI to sign them and then they'll send it back to you. So you never
> even
> > > > see the code that you would need to sign them yourself
> > > >
> > > > > Mark Scott wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the easiest way is for one person to buy this code that
> allows
> > > > > you to make flash apps and pass it around to everyone, therefore
it
> > > > > makes no diff, it got paid for, and they won't be going back in
the
> > > > > calcs and removing that code.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark E. Scott Jr.
> > > > > mscott@databasecity.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Mark Zavislak [mailto:felix@megsinet.net]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 9:55 PM
> > > > > To: assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org
> > > > > Subject: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
> > > > >
> > > > > If you think about all that has happened with the unauthorized
> release
> > > > > of
> > > > > ROM 2.01, including the bugs, assembly limitations, we must make
TI
> > > > > pay.
> > > > > Keep in mind that all evidence is pointing to a conclusion that
all
> > > > > new
> > > > > TI89's in production have 2.01 preinstalled.  Add that to the fact
> > > > > that TI
> > > > > did not want the key "rogue" programmers to have it before
official
> > > > > release.  Notice still that they have not produced any responses
to
> > > > > this
> > > > > prerelease of 2.01 either.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, and did you notice how nice ROM 1.00 and HW 1.00 were so nice
> for
> > > > > programmers?  And then they release HW 2.00 making it impossible
to
> > > > > implement greyscale.  And ROM 2.01 limits the asm size to 8k.  And
> the
> > > > > fact
> > > > > that you have to pay to make even _freeware_ flash rom programs.
> And
> > > > > how
> > > > > they keep all internal information secret even though they
"support"
> > > > > assembly programming.
> > > > >
> > > > > We now have three (realistic) options:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Hit them and hit 'em hard.  Spread the word of how they treated
> > > > > their
> > > > > most faithful customers who reccomended the calc to all of their
> > > > > friends,
> > > > > only to have themselves stabbed in the back.  This will be hard,
> since
> > > > > much
> > > > > of the market (i.e., teachers, clueless students) do not care
about
> > > > > "nerds"
> > > > > with their calculator games.  Corporations don't care either,
since
> > > > > they
> > > > > can easily handle the fee to program flash apps, and then release
> them
> > > > > at
> > > > > inflated prices.  Hope springs eternal.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Don't use the built in assembly except to implement a shell
that
> > > > > executes the rest of the programs, disguised as DATA files.  Make
> sure
> > > > > that
> > > > > _everyone_ uses this format, not the built in format.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Switch to HP wholeheartedly.  I've been meaning to get my hands
> on
> > > > > one
> > > > > of 'em...
> > > > >
> > > > > More unrealistic options:
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Crack the 512-bit RSA encryption.  This can be accomplished a
> > > > > number of
> > > > > ways, such as enlisting the help of cryptographers -- or maybe get
> > > > > your
> > > > > hands on some quantum computers.  Or -- even easier -- get a hold
of
> > > > > the
> > > > > private key -- it shouldn't be that hard :)
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Simply hack the 2.01 ROMS -- It aint gonna happen with all
those
> > > > > new HW
> > > > > 2.00 calcs.  See how HW 2.00 *really* benefits TI?  --  I agree
with
> > > > > the
> > > > > comment about the market in "older" TI89s.
> > > > >
> > > > > We must let TI know that their behavior is unacceptable.  They
treat
> > > > > the
> > > > > community that ported ASM to most of their calculators and made TI
> > > > > popular
> > > > > like we don't exist.  The unofficial release of the ROM can really
> > > > > help our
> > > > > case, especially if we make TI look like fools come December 21
and
> > > > > full
> > > > > assembly and flash rom app support is already enabled.
> > > > >
> > > > > There.  My rant is finished.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Mark Zavislak
> > > > > felix@megsinet.net
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Scott "_Wrath_" Dial
> > > > wrath@calc.org
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