heh maybe they could do somthing like this for the Silver Edition...(its sure got me wondering)

Actually, they can. My friend did it for his 83+ which deleted all memory associated with flashapps and gave him a TON more memory. The problem is that he couldn't run flash apps anymore (until he reset his calc)

Actually, something in one of my failed z80 projects, when executed, caused my TI-83+'s archive memory to expand to somewhere around 5379K. When I cleared the RAM, it returned to normal though (darn). Anyway, I think I still have it if anyone wants it. I didn't test it, though, so I'm not sure if this is an actual expansion or if the program simply changed the number associated with the size of the archive memroy (I fixed it later; I had attempted to draw a sprite off of the screen using XOR, and that's what caused the error. Also, the program size dropped to 17 bytes after execution).

It's a bug in your program, which doesn't actually increase the ROM available.
My Pi background does this too, I don't know why.

No actual 'hidden' ROM appeared; you simply confused the calc to the total amount of ROM that your calculator had. Sorry!

Well, that's probably true- but... it would be interesting to test it. You know... goofing up the calculator is fun. I make some ASM programs just for the sole purpose of crashing your calc in funny ways!

BTW- I have managed to get... (BUM BUM BUM.. THE WATERFALL EFFECT! But it only worked once... :'( grr)

What is the waterfall effect?

LOL, crashing your calc in hilarious ways IS entertaining! Actually last week I had to fix this one girl's blue 83+. All she told me was that her friend simply pressed some buttons. I doubted that; that calc's OS was in the worst condition I've ever seen on an 83+ without crashing. I mean, you could actually TYPE on the Zoom screen! Quitting to the home screen created garbage. Removing the batteries caused random pixles to be turned on, with the message "TI-83 Mem Cleared" to appear off-center amidst the garbage and reversed (the text was white on a black background). Removing all of the batteries for about a minute fixed it, though. Personally, I want to know the buttons that were pressed.

BTW, I got a kid in my precalc class to press MODE, ALPHA, and then S without looking at the screen, and then I got him to press Enter. (Un)fortunately, he was able to remove the batteries in time to save his archive memory (mostly).

How does the self-test clear someone's archive? Every time I have done it on the 83+ or 89, it'll only clear the ram.

Yeah, the self test only clears the RAM, not the arch mem.

In an early beta (v3.6.5) of Doors CS, running programs deleted the contents of all programs, including the program clearing the programs! That was an interesting effect...

TI should change "Enter Self-Test? This will clear ALL memory" to "Enter Self-Test? This will clear RAM memory" at the self-test screen. I was under the impression that it erased the archive memory as well, but I've never completed a self-test before, so I wouldn't know.

HAHAHAHA! That's great! LOL

The waterfall effect (maybe that's only what I call it), but it gets weird characters to fly down the screen as well as just... groups of pixels, they come down the screen, and it looks as if it's a waterfall, pouring down water. I really know else to describe it. It's really weird. (I've heard other people talking about this a couple times before)

Also, about the weird OS state... I have a program for my TI-82 that somehow allowed me to do that (well, it was similar). I could type on the graph screen, certain keys didn't work, and I could mess up menus and all this stuff, but the OS didn't crash until I started playing with the Y= stuff. It was really cool. I should dig around in my ASM projects and try to find the program. It was something pretty simple, IIRC.

I get that all the time on my 83+se, or at least when I am debugging an app and it overwrites memory somewhere.

MWM

Thats really cool. BTW, has anyone else heard of HP's new calc, the 49G+? Check out the link of this post for screenshots and some more info. The good thing about it is that you dont need to worry about any patches or anything if you need more memory since it has an SD slot.

Yeah, I've heard a rumor about it a long time ago. It sounds nice, but I still like my V200 better. ^_^

Full details are at http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49gplus.php.

The thing looks damn nice - 75MHZ CPU, SD card slot, Infared and USB ports, and a bigger screen (still not as big as some TI's).

I wonder if TI is planning to come out with anything, as it basically renders all their calcs obsolete.

All they need now is a color screen and WiFi compatibility. Wait, you can just plug a WiFi card into the SD slot, except you'd need software. Cool.

That's /DAMN/ sexy. Shoulda waited a year before lusting after HP calcs.

There are alot of pictures at the (Web Link).

MWM

The external card slot idea is something TI really needs to pick up on. Is TI going to make a TI-89+? lol
That would be very sweet. Very... sweet. And it would of course, run all TI-89 programs ;-) I love dreaming up new TI calc ideas. :)

It seems as if graphing calculators are gradually becoming PDAs which are becoming notebooks.

I skipped the intermediary and am running Mathematica 5.0 on my laptop (a 2.2-GHz Gateway 600XL). It is surely more powerful than my HW2 TI-89, but it also cost ~$140 and the syntax of it is kind of counter-intuitive.

Although my loyalties lie with TI, I must say that I love the new HP. Not only is it very stylish, but the 75MHz ARM9 processor and SD slot (which could handle 16-256MB) would make it possible to make a Linux distro for it. Plus, the IR linking and built-in speaker are a nice bonus. :-) I must ask for one of these for my birthday.

Wow, Linux on a calc. I would actually go buy one of those things. What TI needs to do to retaliate is make an 89+ with a mem card slot and maybe a faster processor.

How much does one of those 49G cost?

The 49g+ is about $176. I found it somewhere on the web for $160, however. I don't know the price of the 49g.

MWM

I am sorry, but I would not get that. It is too similar the the 85/86 style of menu, which is why I did not want the 86 to begin with. But the other things are pretty cool. However it seems that the HP calcs are moving more towards the pocket pc side f things. Before you know it you will be able to play mp3's on it, and have an internet browser.

-W-

LOL... browsing the internet on your calc... cool :)

Thanks.

I almost forgot how much HP stinks until I saw those screenshots.