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Problems with lists.ticalc.org
Posted by Magnus on 31 October 2002, 10:12 GMT

Due to a misconfiguration, mail to lists.ticalc.org has been bouncing for several hours. Downtime started at approx 18:15 local time yesterday, and were fixed at around 09:45 the following morning.

We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this.

 


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Re: Problems with lists.ticalc.org
Charlemagne Account Info
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Ooh...that sounds just like the time I (tried to)subscribed myself to the HTML newsletter.......
But I didn't do it!

     31 October 2002, 23:28 GMT

Misconfiguration???
mechwarrior111

Usually, it's not a good idea to put a 'shutdown -r now' in crond.hourly :)

     1 November 2002, 01:01 GMT


Re: Misconfiguration???
Rob van Wijk  Account Info

I don't know much about unix/linux, but that sounds like it restarts the server every hour. Yeah, that doesn't seem to be a brilliant idea :). (They actually did that???)

     1 November 2002, 20:51 GMT

Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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hm... don't know linux either and don't really care as of now.

     1 November 2002, 22:40 GMT


Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
lord_nightrose Account Info
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I'm guessing that no, they didn't *actually* do that, and that he just said that as a joke.
i.e.
one guy says "I almost got in a car accident today."
another guy says to him "that's why you don't drive with your eyes closed."

the first guy didn't necessarily ACTUALLY drive with his eyes closed; the second just said that to poke fun at him.

     2 November 2002, 03:17 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
PolarDPres  Account Info
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Your supposed to keep your eyes open? Ohh, that explains why I failed behind the wheel! LOL

     3 November 2002, 03:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
Rob van Wijk  Account Info

I'm not stupid, really. Isn't it possible to mess around in an ini file and copy-paste something to the wrong line, by accident placing it in 'crond.hourly' instead of in 'onKernelPanic' or whatever?
(BTW, 'didn't *necessarily* mean', as in, 'but it could mean'? :) )

     4 November 2002, 19:52 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
lord_nightrose Account Info
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heh.
onKernelPanic sounds like some majorly bad stuff is going down.

AAH!! OH GOOD GOD HELP US ALL! KERNEL PANIC!!!

sounds like some Martial Arts technique from an anime...

     7 November 2002, 09:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
benryves Account Info
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So, on Linux you get an 'onKernelPanic' event, say, twice an hour?

:P

Our Win2K Advanced Server has never given me problems... whereas the Linux box has terminal problems!

     8 November 2002, 14:16 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
lord_nightrose Account Info
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terminal... as in fatal, or the terminal?

     9 November 2002, 06:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
benryves Account Info
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As in fatal.

     10 November 2002, 12:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Kenji-san! use 'Kernel-Panic' megabomb, hai!

     7 November 2002, 09:37 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Misconfiguration???
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Oooooookay... either you've been watching too much anime or something <scary music> BAD HAPPENED! </scary music>

     10 November 2002, 20:57 GMT

Re: Problems with lists.ticalc.org
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Well, I've made a rather interesting discovery.
In TIGCC, if you use the function push_parse_text, and pass as arguments any *executable* text (e.g. push_parse_text("1337->x"), where -> is the store symbol), it EXECUTES the code when you view the return variable, rather than just parsing functions. In other words, in the example I gave, the variable x would be CREATED when the return variable is typed on the home screen.

I'm using this in the next version of MLib. To clear things up:
mlib("execute","3|>bin") (|> is an approximation of the conversion symbol)
will create the variable 'ml', as usual. However, when you type 'ml'<enter> on the home screen, rather than get a list of the results, {0h11} will be stored in the list!!

if the code was
push_parse_text("Define haha(x)=Func:Return \"Hey Kerm, I Banged Your Mom!\":EndFunc")

then, when you type 'ml'<enter> on the home screen, you will get a "Non-algebraic variable in expression" error, but the function haha, taking a single argument, returning the string "Hey Kerm, I Banged Your Mom!" will be CREATED.

Two new functions have been added that do this:
1. mlib("execute",code_string) will execute the code in code_string
2. mlib("executeall", code_string_1, code_string_2, code_string_3, ..., code_string_n) will consider EVERY argument to be code, and execute them all.

Look for MLib version 2.05 soon! Other new features include reading a byte or bytes from files, finding the dimensions of a picture, placing a sprite anywhere on the screen, determining whether the calculator is hardware 1 or 2, and finding the battery level on a scale of 1 to 6.

     2 November 2002, 08:45 GMT

Re: Re: Problems with lists.ticalc.org
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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What's all this about banging Kerm's mom? ;-)


That code is a bit too advanced for me, but speaking of programming, I spent some time on Kill Bin Laden today! Now I have the title screen, the first "mission", and I FINALLY got my graphics to work in grayscale.

Sprite32(x, y, height, my_sprite, GetPlane(0), SPRT_XOR);//YAY!

     2 November 2002, 22:41 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Problems with lists.ticalc.org
Pedro Silva  Account Info
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Are you the real No_One_2000?

     3 November 2002, 20:18 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Problems with lists.ticalc.org
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Yes. How to tell the difference:

no_one_2000_ is the real one

_no_one_2000_` is the fake one

notice the '_' at the beginning, and the '`' at the end.

     3 November 2002, 23:17 GMT


Re: Re: Problems with lists.ticalc.org
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Correction: The list should return {0b11}, not {0h11}. Little difference there :-p

     3 November 2002, 19:31 GMT

My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
Gilles WEBER  Account Info

I sent a program called "Chat 3.0", which is a TI-89 BASIC Misc. program on Monday, and it isn't the list yet!
Have you receive my progs ?
If not, mail-me please why it isn't in the List
(In french please, because my English is limited)

     2 November 2002, 19:05 GMT

Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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Français--
Mon Français est limité, mais il peut prendre un moment pour votre programme être téléchargement, peut-être une semaine, ou deux.

English--
My french is limited, but it may take a while for your program to be uploaded, maybe a week, or two.

     2 November 2002, 19:45 GMT


Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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My (attempted) french comment:
Mon français est très limité aussi. J'ai trois ans de le cours français. Je dèteste _no_one_2000_`. Il (ou Elle) est très stupide!

     2 November 2002, 22:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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Just use 'Elle' when referring to _no_one_2000_` ...
I'm pretty sure we'd be using the right gender ...

     3 November 2002, 01:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
Charlemagne Account Info
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You know what would be really cool, is if TI-Calc could somehow make it so the pages automatically display the right language for you according to what country you are in........same with times.
Any ideas, brilliant TI programmers?

     3 November 2002, 04:12 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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That would require them to have duplicate copies of the site - in however many languages people need.

     3 November 2002, 09:25 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
TheCalcGenius  Account Info

ALL 14 MAIN INDIAN LANGUAGES!!!!

     3 November 2002, 15:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Hah... good luck. I doubt that the TICalc people know *any* of them.

     3 November 2002, 19:30 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
Charlemagne Account Info
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Dude, there's a thingy on Altavista's Babelfish translation where it will automatically translate the whole of a site......(free).....they could use that!

     3 November 2002, 20:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Not for the Indian languages, no.

And it has all sorts of HORRIBLE translation problems. Hence, why half of Pedro Silva's posts are totally unintelligible :-p

     3 November 2002, 23:15 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Yeah, babelfish is pretty bad. But when you think about it, it's kind of hard to make a perfect translation unless you know both languages, because syntax is different for some languages (ex. most adjectives in french go AFTER the noun instead of before it), and that just makes things more confusing.

I can make inunderstandable (is that a word?) posts without babelfish! :D

     4 November 2002, 02:15 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Try 'unintelligible'.

     4 November 2002, 14:37 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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yeah...

     4 November 2002, 21:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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The irony is that I just used that word in the post you replied to :D

     7 November 2002, 09:35 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I was trying to use a variety of words... but I can't. Because I am schtoopid. :"""-(

     8 November 2002, 22:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
TheCalcGenius  Account Info

Not as schtoopid as _no_one` and "ac"...

     9 November 2002, 17:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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DOWN WITH FRAUDS!

     9 November 2002, 19:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
TheCalcGenius  Account Info

Well, thanks a lot for the optimism!!!!

     4 November 2002, 21:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
benryves Account Info
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How would they translate l33+5p3@k?

     11 November 2002, 09:20 GMT

Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Only a week? That's nothing. I submitted a program in AUGUST that still has not been put on the list. In fact, I tried to submit it again today, and it was successfully uploaded. Which means THEY DELETED MY FILE WITHOUT EVEN CONSIDERING TO PUT IT UP. >:-(

     2 November 2002, 21:58 GMT


Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I had the same problem. I uploaded about 10 mario levels with screenshots and everything (took me a LONG time to upload) and the next month, I check my queue thing, and they're GONE!

     2 November 2002, 22:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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Poor no_one ...
Me, I haven't uploaded anything since forever! I need to start working on some of my unfinished projects ... actually, I made a program that would calculate the number of times needed to double a random decimal until it became an integer. But I lost it when my calc crashed ...

     3 November 2002, 01:46 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
Charlemagne Account Info
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0->C
rand->N
Repeat N=iPart(N
N2->N
C+1->C
End
Disp C

     3 November 2002, 04:15 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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A *truly* random decimal would have an infinite number of digits. Therefore, you would *never* stop doubling it to get an integer, since there would always be more decimals.

     3 November 2002, 06:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
Joe Pemberton  Account Info
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A "truly random" number does not need to have infinite decimals.

     3 November 2002, 09:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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If a random number doesn't have an infinite number of decimals, then it could be generated through some mathematical formula. Therefore, for a number to be 100% random, it must impossible to generate through a routine.

     3 November 2002, 09:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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aren't there machines that can generate REAL random numbers (not pseudo-random)?

     4 November 2002, 02:16 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
Joe Blow  Account Info

there are definetly random number machines...if you just had a semiconductor that had a 50% chance of bridgeing a gap with electricity with any given burst, then you could get a random stream of zeros and ones...like on a TV when the channel isn't tuned in and there are random black and white dots

     4 November 2002, 08:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Yes. And these machines are not generating the number through a preprogrammed routine. They are taking advantage of a natural situation where randomness occurs.

     4 November 2002, 14:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I think I saw something like this before,

you have an elastic rope-type thing, wound up on a crank. It's tied to a brick, placed on sandpaper. If you roll the crank, eventually, at random times, the elastic will pull the brick along the sandpaper, creating a randomly generated... thing

     4 November 2002, 21:53 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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Fine then. So I'm politically (and mathematically) correct, my program would calculate the number of times required to double a PSEUDO-random number in order to make it an integer. Good enough for y'all?

     5 November 2002, 05:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
Joe Blow  Account Info

ok...let's try this on 1/3...doubling it...

.333333...
x2= .666666...
x2= 1.33333...
x2= 2.66666...

when do we reach 1?

     6 November 2002, 07:31 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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>> when do we reach 1?

I didn't say become 1, I said become an integer. The average is somewhere around 43-46 times.

     6 November 2002, 19:00 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Besides, there's nothing random about 1/3... duh. I can generate that in less than a full line of code.
1/3
AAH! done!

     7 November 2002, 09:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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Actually, it IS random. Any number is random. It's just that the chances of getting a random decimal that comes out nicely like 1/3 are very slim.

     8 November 2002, 05:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
lord_nightrose Account Info
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for a second, I thought you were insane; then I realized you're right. any number can be generated randomly, given an infinite chance of any outcome.

     8 November 2002, 09:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
benryves Account Info
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You can produce a totally random (or at least it seems totally random) binary disgit (bit) with two transistors, two resistors and a potentiometer. I had a circuit diagram that would make one of two LEDs turn on when you pressed a button. You need the potentiometer for adjusting the circuit- sometimes you get more '1's than '0's, so you need to tweak it a bit. Once set, however, it's fine.

     10 November 2002, 12:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
Joe Blow  Account Info

if I threw an egg at a wall I could generate a random thing

     6 November 2002, 07:25 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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*laugh*

see how many inches from the ground it hits your sister/brother/younger sibling/older sibling/sibling

     6 November 2002, 22:03 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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Actually, mine was a bit more complex than that. Same basic idea, but it would store the results to a list, display the average, graph the results, and you could pause/resume calculations.

     5 November 2002, 05:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My program isn't in the "Recent Updates"
343GuiltySpark  Account Info
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>> N2->N
That would take the variable N2 and store it to N. You should have 2N->N so it doubles N and stores the result in N.

     9 November 2002, 23:46 GMT


Is Ticalc.org lazy?
John Perman  Account Info

Why the hell do they not update? Are they lazy or something? I submited 2 files. One of them was Super Mario v2.0 from Void Productions. I submited it because they didn't have it yet. But Void did.

     5 November 2002, 18:27 GMT

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