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USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Posted by Michael on 29 May 2006, 14:18 GMT

The TiLP-II v0.13 beta version has been released for UNIX and Windows, and I am happy to report that it now supports the direct USB cables used by the TI-84 Plus and TI-89 Titanium. Romain Liévin has made TiLP the first and only linking program besides TI Connect to support the direct USB functionality in those newer calculators. As it is a beta version, I'm sure feedback and bug reports involving USB communication would be helpful.

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Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
roms  Account Info
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I would like to thank Drake Wilson and Benjamin Moody for their analysis of the TI84+ USB protocol. This made possible USB support in TiLP-II.

Well, USB is pretty fast (1 minute for FLASHing a Titanium hand-held).

Reply to this comment    29 May 2006, 17:09 GMT

Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
RainbowMonkey Account Info

w00t! But is this any better than the silver link? Is it faster?

Reply to this comment    29 May 2006, 17:36 GMT

Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Tyler C  Account Info
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It is about the same. The SilverLink is more stable, but slower and the DirectUSB is much faster, but less stable. Stability will come as bugs are found and squashed.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2006, 18:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Matt M Account Info

I'm sticking with SilverLink/COM ports

Reply to this comment    30 May 2006, 13:49 GMT


Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Matt M Account Info

I have to say it is a bit faster but it's not significant except for OS update...and that's not that much.

I'll stick to silverlink

Reply to this comment    30 May 2006, 14:14 GMT

Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
elfprince13 Account Info
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pwnage. we love you Romain! keep up the good work.

Reply to this comment    29 May 2006, 18:40 GMT

Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Spencer Dubya  Account Info
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Drivers, for some strange, odd reason, do not install properly on Windows Vista, beta 2.

Just thought I'd mention it.

Reply to this comment    30 May 2006, 03:06 GMT

Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Snave2000  Account Info

I'm having a similar problem, but on Windows XP. I'm curious: did the installation disk you downloaded have TiglUsb.sys in it? I think this file is missing from the WinXP installation disk.

Reply to this comment    31 May 2006, 15:39 GMT

Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Matt M Account Info

I have had no problems with TI Connect...

I also copied the i386 folder from the CD to my HDD so I can refer to it for drivers that don't install or can't find files

Reply to this comment    1 June 2006, 13:59 GMT


Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Kaaiman  Account Info
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Just download the package of USB drivers (v3.5), you'll find that *.sys file in it.

(See link)

Reply to this comment    1 June 2006, 16:01 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Snave2000  Account Info

It's not there... (winXP version)

Reply to this comment    2 June 2006, 15:35 GMT


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frenchman113 Account Info
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That's odd, because I noticed that too when I tried to download it a week ago. (Still using tiglusb v3) :-(

Reply to this comment    4 June 2006, 11:54 GMT


Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Spencer Dubya  Account Info
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I didn't mean for this to turn into a "Oh I hate [insert Microsoft product here]" war. I was just mentioning the fact that the available TiglUsb 3.5 drivers do not install correctly.

Whether you upgrade to Vista or install IE7 or WMP11, I don't care. I just wish that someone looked into the compatibility issue so that I can use TiLP2 on Vista.

Capisce?

Reply to this comment    2 June 2006, 05:21 GMT


Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
roms  Account Info
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Your message shows that our driver can be installed on Vista for now.

Given that I don't have Vista, I will not be able to fix that (until I get it but I'm not sure my hardware will be enough ;-)

Reply to this comment    3 June 2006, 20:46 GMT

Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Risiko  Account Info

I have a major question: does this system allow me to record the screen for the 84+SE? cuz that would be cool. i have no idea if there are any programms out there that CAN record the screen of a ti84+SE.

Reply to this comment    30 May 2006, 21:52 GMT


Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
gotPSP Account Info

Do you mean do a Screen Capture? You could just use Ti-Connect for that, but that would be besides the point, wouldn't it?

Reply to this comment    30 May 2006, 23:38 GMT

Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Kaaiman  Account Info

I think he means an animated screen capture.

That could be a very nice new feature for TiLP!

Reply to this comment    31 May 2006, 08:37 GMT


Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Risiko  Account Info

Actually, i mean a animated screed. IS there a program that can do animations for the 84+SE?

Reply to this comment    1 June 2006, 03:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
Andy Janata  Account Info
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It should in theory be possible ... if you can coerce the computer to act as a USB device and not a USB host controller, and have it report the VID/PID of the ViewScreen adapter. But I don't think you'll get past the whole making the computer act as a device bit.

Reply to this comment    1 June 2006, 12:37 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
madmattd Account Info

If you REALLY need an animated screenshot, then use tilemu (the one for the z80s) with Calc Capture (I think that is what it is called, I haven't bothered to reinstall since formatting my HD a while ago). It'll be able to take animated screenshots then, and you don't need a ROM, either.

The idea of taking animated screenshots from the actual calculator though would be awesome, maybe someone here can figure that one out...

Reply to this comment    1 June 2006, 14:29 GMT


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Kaaiman  Account Info

I suppose you mean Tilem? (without the 'u')

Reply to this comment    1 June 2006, 16:04 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
roms  Account Info
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I think so... Unless TiLeM + TiEmu = TiLeMu ?!

Reply to this comment    1 June 2006, 18:56 GMT


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madmattd Account Info

yea, whoops, like I said, you all know what I mean :)

Reply to this comment    1 June 2006, 23:07 GMT


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Risiko  Account Info

hmmm tilem is the only one i know of, but the readme is so darn confussing its impossible to install it for windows... meh

Reply to this comment    2 June 2006, 20:00 GMT

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madmattd Account Info

before I got my 89t this October, I used tilem all the time, though mainly for running a slow program that created an asm program out of a picture of the graph screen, disabling the slow mode meant that this was done quite fast. I knew little about asm programming. Of course, I use TIGCC now with the 89, so tilem isn't on my computer anymore.

But on to my point. Tiemu was fairly easy to install as I recall, the instructions were more confusing than necessary maybe. But as I recall, you only need the GTK runtime environment and then run the self-installer... I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong though...

Reply to this comment    3 June 2006, 01:26 GMT

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Kevin Kofler Account Info
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You're talking about TiEmu (the 68k emulator). The current TiEmu installers can even install GTK+ for you. TilEm (the Z80 emulator) is a bit harder to install, you have to install the GTK+ runtime yourself and then you have to obtain a ROM dump and manually copy it to the right directory with the right filename. But if you read the instructions, it's pretty straightforward.

Reply to this comment    4 June 2006, 02:29 GMT

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Risiko  Account Info

I got help from someone on this topic acouple days ago. heres how it works: you need to, like madmattd said, dl and install the GTK runtime libraries. after that you need to get a rom image for your certain calc. then you put that rom image im the tilem directory. when you start up tilem after that, you'll get a picture of your calc, but it wont turn on when you hit ON or the screen will be black. now is where you load the OS. if you have ticonnect, it's directory will have almost all of the OS's you'll need. if you dont have that dl it from TI's web site. so once you have an OS, rite click on the emulator's calc screen (or hit F12), click load, and browse to find the OS you need. then it will start. then you just use calccapture to get the image. the hard part now is figuring out what the best settings are for recording the picture.

Reply to this comment    4 June 2006, 02:42 GMT


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Kevin Kofler Account Info
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The OS upgrades from TI-Connect or TI's website won't work with TilEm, you need a full ROM dump which includes the boot code (the first FlashROM sector, which is not writeable (hard-wired write protection) and thus not included in upgrades). On the 68k calculators, it's pretty easy to bypass the boot code, so TiEmu doesn't need it (nor did VTI for the 68k calcs), but the Z80 ones seem to rely more on the initializations done in the boot code.

Reply to this comment    4 June 2006, 06:15 GMT


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Risiko  Account Info

Well, then i dont know what wrong with my TilEm, cuz the OS's from ticonnect did work, and im actually using it rite now to get pics of my new game... but w/e. it works, so im not agueing or anything.

Reply to this comment    4 June 2006, 20:13 GMT


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PGK Account Info

Heh heh heh, TiEmu ran very fast in "fast mode" even on the old 500 MHz K6-2 machine that I ran it on. It is darn near unusable on a modern computer with a CPU > 2GHz. I guess if you want to run calculations at full speed on your computer, you need to use TI's Derive software, GNU Octave (my fave) or <shudder> Mathematica. MMA is a RAM pig, it's expensive (yeah, I actually bought it freshman year as I didn't know what BT was!) and the licensing sucks, so I steer people away from it.

Reply to this comment    19 June 2006, 03:28 GMT


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Kevin Kofler Account Info
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I was able to install TilEm-Win32 just fine. It's a bit more work than TiEmu where you just fire up the installer and then get a first run wizard asking you what to do about ROMs (and offering the GPLed PedroM as an easy-to-install, though not very functional, alternative), but it's not anywhere near impossible.

Reply to this comment    4 June 2006, 02:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USB Direct Cables Supported in TiLP
jesse frey  Account Info

just insert a microcontroler or something between the computer and calc

Reply to this comment    3 June 2006, 18:30 GMT

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