Re: LZ: Re: LZB: Here it is! The RAM/IO Expander


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Re: LZ: Re: LZB: Here it is! The RAM/IO Expander



On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Marty Williams wrote:


> >>At 09:55 9/11/96 -0700, Marty Williams wrote:
> >>>Can you send them in, say a zip format as an attachment.  I don't know what
> >>>to do with this?
> >>>
> >>>At 01:53 PM 9/11/96 GMT, Mel Tsai wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> [ tons of UUEncoded junk cut ]
> >>>>
> 
> Ok, already... I am sorry for making such a big mistake on this list or the
> binaries list, by replying to an e-mail which included a large chunk of
> UUEncoded stuff.  I should not have included the whole list in the reply.
> Ok,  are you happy now.
> 
> I am sorry for posting this on the zshell list.  But, I'm doing this to make
> a point.  And I will probably get flamed for this too; oh well.   I don't
> have time for the crap to gos on here. I have a real life.  I work full
> time, have a family with a son in "High School" (so I'm older than most
> folks on this list, but I'm only 40), and I'm going to school working on an
> engineering degree.  
> 
> I find it amazing how the high school maturity level as dominated this list.
> Most of the junk that go's on here is generated by this group.  Over time,
> we have seen most people who work for a living, drop off this list or you
> never hear from them; like me.  Here at my company, I know of several other
> engineers who use the TI 85.  Who were on the list and could help solve many
> of the problems with hardware or software.  But, because of the junk that
> dominates this list, they have dropped off.  This group is a little short of
> professionals, and strong on those who have "just fallen off the turnip
> truck", and think they know everything.  This is a great loss for everyone.   
> 
> The work that has been done here has been great.  I am amazed at Zshell and
> even some of the games.  However, most people beyond HS, don't have time to
> play games.   What this group has fallen short on, is coming up with
> something really useful.   The kids of this group may be good at writing
> games, but there is more to the world of software than games.  
> 
> The I2C stuff and namely the temp sensor has real promise.  To be able to
> use your calc for something other than math and games.  I am excited over
> the possibilities.  I am currently starting work on two projects.  One is a
> single chip IR transceiver and the other is an electronic compass.  Both of
> these circuits are doable, but software will have to be written.  Like most
> electronics engineers,  I can build the hardware, but I can't write the
> software.  I can "hack" at basic, C and a little asm.    
> 
> Is there anyone out there who is interested, who like to team up?  If so,
> I'd like to chat with you.   If not that's ok.  And if all I get are flaming
> responses, then I say to you, "To hell with you!"  I will also drop off the
> list (not that anyone will miss me),  find someone here that will help with
> code, develop the devices myself.  The list won't ever hear from me again.
 
Calm down.  Don't let a bunch of rambunctious high school kids
run you off.  I'm 55 and a half.  56 in November.  So I have some
idea how you feel.


At first I was bothered by the shouting and the name calling and
the foul language.  I've been on a lot of listserves and this is
the first one I've seen that sort of thing on.  But at the same
time, I kept finding myself amazed at how ingenious these kids
are.  They're doing some great work.  Sure it's just games but
kids play games.  So did I when I was a kid.  Didn't you?  I still
do, but not as much as they do.  Look at the games, though.
There's some brilliant work there.  There's lots of signs of their
inexperience but there are a lot of really fine programs.  Also a
few realllly bad ones.  But I wrote a few of those getting started
too.


I'm also bothered by the huge number of messages, most of them
meaningless, that I have to wade through to find the worthwhile
ones.  But I keep finding such fine examples of people learning
and exploring and discovering that it's better than watching a
PBS documentary.  Look a little closer.  I think you'll see
what I'm talking about.


And any kids that are reading this that don't like me calling
you kids,  go do your homework or something.  :)


Barry


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