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Welcome to Our New Server
Posted by Henrik on 4 October 2003, 09:19 GMT

If you are reading this, then you are visiting us at our new server.

After two years of planning and behind-the-scenes work, we have finally retired our old trustworthy Pentium 200 MMX, 128 MB memory, running Linux 2.2. On our Hardware and Software page, you can read more about the new hardware in our main server and what software we use as of now.

Basically, we now have a dual processor machine, lots of memory, and hard disks in a RAID 5 configuration that gives four times as much disk space as before. We have also moved up to Linux 2.4 and Apache 2.0 (from 1.3).

But it is not all hardware and server software. More behind-the-scenes work has been done on our in house software solutions. We took the time to streamline and optimize, sometimes rewrote parts of our systems and services to better serve you in the years to come.

This upgrade will enable to us to extend, enhance, and add new features to the ticalc.org you know and love. Once again, welcome to our new server.

(The photo shows the new server in the back of Magnus' car on 28 October 2002 when he picked it up from Henrik.)

Update (Henrik): You should also note better response and download times from our web server. The first reason is Apache MPM worker that gives us a hybrid multi-threaded multi-process server instead of the old non-threaded, pre-forking server. The second reason is mod_deflate that compresses content before it is delivered to the client. Both these new features will most of the time decrease download time per page at least tenfold.

Update (Henrik): Buy & Sell service has been retired as there are better similar services out there.

Update (Henrik): Site Map is gone as we believe our site is easy enough to navigate anyway.

Update (Henrik): Hosted sites are able to update their sites again.

Update (Henrik): Our file archivers are processing the incoming queue once again. Please report any problems.

Update (Henrik): Hosted sites should ftp to their hostname in order to update their site, not ftp.ticalc.org, as it does not exist anymore.

 


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Re: Welcome to Our New Server
Magnus Hagander  Account Info
(Web Page)

Test post. If this works, the news system is up and running.

     4 October 2003, 09:25 GMT


Re: Re: Welcome to Our New Server
henrik Account Info
(Web Page)

Yes, seems to be working.

     4 October 2003, 10:17 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Welcome to Our New Server
KermMartian Account Info

[The text of this article has been removed by a news editor due to violation of the acceptable use policy.]

     4 October 2003, 13:06 GMT

Much faster
bizpile

Ticalc.org does load much faster now. I didn't think it would make that big of a difference. Good job guys!

     4 October 2003, 13:44 GMT

Re: Much faster
Kieran O'Leary  Account Info

Yeah I agree, the server is much faster now. I have brodband and even I can notice the difference.

     4 October 2003, 19:15 GMT


Re: Re: Much faster
TheGreatOne

Wow. Much faster. I have a 56k and this is a very very nice improvement. Although I'll be getting cable really soon.

     4 October 2003, 19:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Much faster
burntfuse  Account Info

A WHOLE LOT faster.....I have a dialup connection too, so this is very good-no more waiting 30 seconds for the front page to load....

     4 October 2003, 19:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Magnus Hagander  Account Info
(Web Page)

Much of this is probably because we have now enabled "mod_gzip". This means that all HTML that leaves our server is compressed if the browser supports this (which most modern browsers do). This should make a significant difference for dialup users, since many pages can be compressed very much.

     4 October 2003, 20:46 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
angelboy Account Info
(Web Page)

Wow. What other behind the scenes things went on? Are posts posted instantly now?

     4 October 2003, 21:25 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Magnus Hagander  Account Info
(Web Page)

Nope

     4 October 2003, 21:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
W Hibdon  Account Info

Why is it that the posts take up to 5 minutes to appear? Other boards like phpbb update instantly, so it is possible.

-W-

     4 October 2003, 22:47 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Matt Mullins  Account Info

The posts go to a database, which is compiled into HTML every 5 mins, AFAIK. That way the database doesn't have to be parsed each time a page is served up like phpBB.

-MrM

     5 October 2003, 00:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
W Hibdon  Account Info

Wha tare the advantages to this?

-W-

     5 October 2003, 00:47 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Matt Mullins  Account Info

The server doesn't get overloaded!

If you recompile the page EVERY TIME THE PAGE GETS A HIT, enough hits will kill the server, but if you compile it to HTML every 5 mins (and only when there has been a post since last recompile), it'll never (in theory) get overloaded.

Personally, I think, instead of 5 mins, it should be every post, but that's just my opinion

-MrM

     5 October 2003, 01:01 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
no_one_2000_  Account Info
(Web Page)

I was thinking the same thing too...
"Personally, I think, instead of 5 mins, it should be every post, but that's just my opinion"

     5 October 2003, 19:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Asdf Asdf Account Info
(Web Page)

Wow has anyone noticed that these comment boxes are getting really small? (ok thats off topic but whatever)

     17 April 2004, 21:24 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Magnus Hagander  Account Info
(Web Page)

It lets us deliver 400,000 requests per day off a 200MHz machine... (Ok, not all those 400,000 are for news articles, but we have capacity to spare when it comes to CPU speed)

     5 October 2003, 11:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
KermMartian Account Info
(Web Page)

Hmm...that makes a lot of sense. I used to think that the delay was just the server processing the requests and recompiling the page offline, then replacing the old page with the new when it had finished recompiling.

     6 October 2003, 14:15 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
W Hibdon  Account Info

WOW, that would be one damn slow server.

-W-

     6 October 2003, 17:16 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Magnus Hagander  Account Info
(Web Page)

No, that doesn't take that long. (It takes too long to do on every request, though, so we need to pre-process and cache it. Otherwise, we'd need a much larger server)

     6 October 2003, 21:13 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Sasha Account Info

Ticalc is moving way to slow. News articles come like once a month and my programs took a month to post.

     23 October 2003, 23:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
no_one_2000_  Account Info
(Web Page)

Yeah... the PERL could just write directly to the page instead of waiting every 5 minutes for a page reload. That seems to me, like it would be easier. But then again, these guys know what they're doing, so there must be a good reason.

     5 October 2003, 19:28 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Magnus Hagander  Account Info
(Web Page)

Probably the most direct problem with that is concurrency. What if another comment is posted whlie the page is still being written? That's the kind of things the db will solve for you.

That said, we might be able to cut down on the time delay. But we have a few more things that need to be fixed first.

     5 October 2003, 19:57 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
no_one_2000_  Account Info
(Web Page)

Oh, right... good point. :) That would probably mess up the HTML of the page a lot, and that wouldn't be good.

     6 October 2003, 23:32 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Mattthew Ellsworth

Make the posts faster would help us to cheack and correct our wording and meaning. Please consider speeding up the posts.

     6 October 2003, 23:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Mattthew Ellsworth

Oops! Making and check.
See my point!

     6 October 2003, 23:45 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Matthew Marshall  Account Info

You're tellin' me! A news article with about 50 comments used to take about 20 seconds to load, but now it only takes two!

MWM

     5 October 2003, 13:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
no_one_2000_  Account Info
(Web Page)

It's pretty much instantanious for me, which is a BIG improvement. I would have to wait up to five minutes, somtimes, just to post something. :'( Now, this is a lot faster. The server downtime was REALLY worth it!

     5 October 2003, 19:35 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Matt M

The big pages still take forever (like the 83+ basic misc page)

     5 October 2003, 19:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
KermMartian Account Info
(Web Page)

That's not going to change, because of the sheer volume of data in that page. BTW, I think TICalc.org should organize some sort of contest to determine a system for breaking up the misc folders and game folders a bit. What sayest thou?

     7 October 2003, 22:45 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
W Hibdon  Account Info

Contest? Contest how? I really don't understand your question!!!

-So sayeth ME, W-

     7 October 2003, 23:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
Chickendude Account Info
(Web Page)

break them down into more specific categories, i suppose, like for games you could have action, rpg, puzzles, etc. and for misc you could have word processors, timers, counters, etc.

     15 October 2003, 23:55 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Much faster
angelboy Account Info
(Web Page)

Or Ticalc.org could just delete all of the stupid BASIC programs. In that case, there wouldn't be enough left to make it worth sorting them

     16 October 2003, 20:49 GMT


Re: Much faster
The Muffin Man  Account Info
(Web Page)

!~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~!
Sounds like a good new server' but what happened to the pics for the new uploads and statistics.
Surely with your new server you could allow more space for gif's?
As for the statistics, wtf?
Maybe you should re-design the statistics system from scratch....
Because a live system would be much better....
...or will this just go to the endless pile of "things someone else can do" list?
ne?
!~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~! !~!

     14 October 2003, 07:03 GMT


Re: Re: Much faster
KermMartian Account Info
(Web Page)

Smart one...if you would have read the other comments pages, you would have seen that they _are_ redoing the stats system.

     15 October 2003, 15:21 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Much faster
The Muffin Man  Account Info
(Web Page)

Yer, i've got the time to read a 7 page topic, not really!

     18 October 2003, 02:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Welcome to Our New Server
no_one_2000_  Account Info
(Web Page)

WOW! The speed of the site increased SO much! WOW! Great job! And, I never noticed it being down! That was strange. I've been SO busy lately. Anyway, this is great! No more annoying lagtime! Yay!

     5 October 2003, 19:27 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welcome to Our New Server
KermMartian Account Info
(Web Page)

Out of curiosity, I thought that my comment was deleted (btw, why?), not the article. :-D

     6 October 2003, 14:15 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welcome to Our New Server
KermMartian Account Info
(Web Page)

So is it still counting downloads and just not figuring out the ranking, or is it not recording anything?

     6 October 2003, 23:02 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welcome to Our New Server
Morgan Davies  Account Info
(Web Page)

Stats are frozen at the moment. Hmmm, part of me wonders if we should bring them back, sure would cut back on the endless quadratic programs being uploaded. :-)

     7 October 2003, 08:31 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welcome to Our New Server
Nick_S  Account Info

lol

     4 November 2003, 05:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welcome to Our New Server
Spiritmage  Account Info
(Web Page)

Do any of you really know what you are talking about? I haven't yet noticed a difference in the speed of the site. It shouldn't go up that much unless they upgraded their connection for the server. What are the proccessing chips? Itaniums or Xeons? (Or pentiums... unless you went with AMD in which case I would never visit the site again =P JK.) Anyway, How much and what kind of RAM does the server have.

     11 October 2003, 03:14 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Welcome to Our New Server
michael8161990  Account Info

thats good news

     9 October 2003, 12:41 GMT

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