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PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Posted by Michael on 25 July 2003, 01:36 GMT

We are pleased to announce that the 30,000th file was just added to our archives: PreOS v0.67 by Patrick Pelissier. For those who don't already know, PreOS is a kernel for the 89/92+/Voyage 200 that is compatible with all ROM versions (including 2.09) and both HW1 & HW2. This is the most recently updated kernel available for the 68k calcs.

Congratulations to Patrick and all of our other authors who have contributed to our archives!

Update (Joey): Since roughly 59207489 people have asked us to change the /doorsos folders to /kernel, we figured it's time to do so. Expect to see the changes in about a month.

Update (Morgan): Note that there have been 30,000 files uploaded to ticalc.org, not that there are 30,000 files. Many have been removed for various reasons! GO RUSTY!!!

 


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Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Confidential to the great Patrick Davidson: Thanks a bunch!

     25 July 2003, 01:41 GMT


Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
KermMartian Account Info
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Go Patrick, and go TICalc.org! This just proves that TICalc.org is once again alive and kicking.

     25 July 2003, 16:17 GMT

Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
bizpile

Does this include updates to existing programs AND new programs or only new programs? Either way, still a lot of files.

     25 July 2003, 02:46 GMT


Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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It's the total number of new files added, since updates are added over the old file. However, the number of files in the archives is slightly less than 30000 because of stuff we've had to delete in the past.

     25 July 2003, 03:22 GMT

Re: Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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A little more than 500 files have been removed, since the downtime in late 2001.

     25 July 2003, 09:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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I estimate it to be closer to 3000...

     25 July 2003, 10:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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How...

     25 July 2003, 19:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Why, through mathemagical guesstimication, of course!

     28 July 2003, 07:49 GMT


*sigh*
Phil Genera  Account Info
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Since I don't have to make things up, I will allow you all a glimpse of the ticalc.org database:

ticalc=> select count(*) from filetable;
count
-------
25985

There, thats how many files are actually in the archive. Everyone happy?

Normally we post news based on how many files are actually there, but hey...

--
Phil
A staff member of yesteryear

     1 August 2003, 19:05 GMT

Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
RCTParRoThEaD_ Account Info
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Hooray for GNU! With that, I could have uploaded it. But that would be cheap.

     25 July 2003, 02:48 GMT

Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Adm.Wiggin

Sounds wonderful! I would get it if i had an 89, 92+, or V2000... *sigh* oh well... wish someone could make something this good for TI-83+ ;)

     25 July 2003, 03:02 GMT

Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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I would have to think that there is, it's called MirageOS. Only because both MirageOS Ion programs will run on MirageOS, but MirageOS won't run on Ion.

     25 July 2003, 09:09 GMT

v2000
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Well, the TI-83+ has shells, like Ion, MirageOS, and all the rest of them. PreOS isn't a shell, but it's a kernel.

     26 July 2003, 19:28 GMT

Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Nathan Crank  Account Info
(Web Page)

that would be nice...

     28 July 2003, 01:05 GMT


Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Kevin Kofler
(Web Page)

Well, kernels such as PreOs aren't as useful as you may think. The TI-89/92+/V200 calculators have well-working native assembly support (like the TI-86), so kernels or shells aren't really needed. However, there are lots of old programs which do need a kernel (usually because they are quick ports of TI-92 Fargo programs, or were written by programmers used to Fargo on the TI-92, and the environment provided by the kernels is closer to the one provided by Fargo on the TI-92 than the one provided by the native assembly support). This is no longer the case with nearly all current programs. (There is a very small number of programmers still writing programs which need a kernel for no real reason, but only very few of them release any interesting programs.) In other words, kernels on the TI-89/92+/V200 are obsolete and practically only exist for backwards compatibility.

     28 July 2003, 03:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Chickendude
(Web Page)

Yet, some of the nicest games were written way back when...:)

     30 July 2003, 15:24 GMT

Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Kevin Kofler
(Web Page)

Some additional information:

* No HW2Patch needed. No need to manually install h220xTSR either. It automatically installs h220xTSR.

* Don't keep old copies of dynamically-linked libraries around. Use either the "stdlib" compressed library pack or the individual libraries in the Src\Libs folder of the PreOs ZIP archive.

* Don't worry if you don't like the file browser shown in the screenshots. It is a very limited default shell just asking to be replaced. :-) You can:
- use the TICT Explorer (recommended). (You can get it at http://tict.ticalc.org or in the archives here at ticalc.org. 1.30 Beta 9 is what you want, it actually has less known bugs than the 1.20 release. 1.20 won't even run on AMS 2.07/2.08/2.09. 1.30 Beta 9 runs on AMS 2.09 without any problems.) There is a version of PreOs specially adapted (by me) to run the TICT Explorer with [SHIFT]+[ON]. It is included in the ZIP archive ("preos-tictex").
- use any kernel-based file browser, renamed to "shell" so it is run with [SHIFT]+[ON].

     25 July 2003, 11:39 GMT


Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Christophe Molon-Noblot  Account Info
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And don't forget that for now, PreOs is the only kernel still up to date. Don't use DoorsOs anymore !

     25 July 2003, 13:24 GMT


Re: Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Barrett Anderson  Account Info
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was PreOS not on ticalc.org before this?

     25 July 2003, 19:53 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: PreOS v0.67, File Number 30,000
Kevin Kofler
(Web Page)

No, it wasn't.

     25 July 2003, 20:25 GMT

[OT] Swedish law on web cookies
Kevin Kofler
(Web Page)

FYI:
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/07/25/122 247.shtml?tid=126&tid=158&tid=95&tid=99
(remove the space)

I think ticalc.org already has the required warnings, but make sure you are complying.

     25 July 2003, 17:28 GMT


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angelboy Account Info
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Where are the warnings for ticalc.org?

     25 July 2003, 18:11 GMT


Re: ~
Kevin Kofler
(Web Page)

Err..., you are right, they aren't there. :-)
I guess the login page should at least print this quote from the site policies (http://www.ticalc.org/ about/policies.html)

<< Our site makes use of cookies strictly for the purpose of convenience to our visitors. Cookies enable your browser to "remember" your account name on our site and to store your customized settings. We do not use cookies to track usage or collect personal data from our visitors. >>

     25 July 2003, 18:21 GMT


Re: Re: ~
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Henrik suggests that you read the comment in my website link to see why this doesn't really apply to us.

     25 July 2003, 23:27 GMT

Re: Re: Re: ~
Kevin Kofler
(Web Page)

I think we can assume that Henrik understands the actual law text. :-) (I can't read the actual law myself because I don't speak Swedish, and even less so Swedish legalese.) So if he says ticalc.org is not affected, I think we can trust him. :-)

     25 July 2003, 23:58 GMT


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angelboy Account Info
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Hmm, I never thought of that. Now it makes since of why they put this law in place. Then again, the people tracking visitors with ads could just use CGI scripts. For example, every time someone looks at the counter (in my link), the server records the person's IP address, browser, host, screen resolution, and a few other things. Is the government going to try and stop that?

     26 July 2003, 23:01 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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And how is the government going to stop stuff like that? It's not like they can really do anything about it.

     27 July 2003, 17:26 GMT


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angelboy Account Info
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Well, it seems like they can do something about these cookies.

     27 July 2003, 18:49 GMT


Re: ~
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Actually, it's kinda hard to stop petty Internet crimes. In the US, there's plenty of legislation that is supposed to prevent spam, but it hasn't worked very well yet.

     28 July 2003, 19:09 GMT

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