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ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Posted by Eric on 7 December 2001, 23:07 GMT

ZiLOG, the esteemed company that brought us the Z80 processor, has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. TI's TI-8x line of calculators (except the TI-89), of course, uses a processor based on the ZiLOG Z80 (as well as many other ancient computers such as the ol' TRS-80). More information can be found at the Electronics Times.

 


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Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
BigRedDog  Account Info
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First post (I think:).

This kinda sucks, poor ZiLOG. Even though I am mostly against big business, this is too bad.

     7 December 2001, 23:20 GMT


Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Pascal Miller  Account Info
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actually Zilog isnt that big of a company. The guys actually worked for intel in the 80s, then broke off and took some of the ideas from Intel. The Z80 is an old sucker. Used in those Olde-scool arcade games. But those guys are smart, I hope they make it.

     8 December 2001, 06:50 GMT

Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Matt Roberts  Account Info

Does this effect, in any way, the availability of those TI calculators that use Zilog processors?

Matt

     7 December 2001, 23:21 GMT

Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
BigRedDog  Account Info
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I hope not, that would suck.

     7 December 2001, 23:29 GMT

Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Kadar  Account Info
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According to the article,

The filing, which depends on the formalising of the bondholder deal, will still allow Zilog to continue trading with customers.

I assume this means that Z80 processors will still be available for TI.

     7 December 2001, 23:52 GMT


Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Konstantin Beliakov  Account Info
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I hope they will be. Since TI already has the chip manufacturing plant, they should easily pick-up ZiLOG stuff (if they want to). That would be very sad if ZiLOG dies and no one gets it cuz this might affect future of TI calcs.

     8 December 2001, 04:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
lord_nightrose Account Info
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Just my opinion, but I think that
1. TI is pretty much done making new calcs, and
2. *IF* they're not, they will not be using a Z80 processor. It's outdated.

     8 December 2001, 06:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Adml_Ackbar(RA)

about "*IF* they're not, they will not be using a Z80 processor. It's outdated.". it is not exactly true.
just because a processor is old does not mean people will not use it for small electrical devices. for calculators, handhelds and specialized electrical devices the more important factors of microprocessors are cost, power consumption and speed and capabilities based on what the device needs rather than current technology. Just because it is performance does not come close to that of todays processors does not mean that it is useless. Old processors are used more often than you may think. Of course they are more likely a slightly modified version of the original.
Anyway I hope that the z80 chips will still be produced not only because they are used in TI calculators but that they could still be useful to me in some of the circuits I'm designing.

     8 December 2001, 18:22 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Konstantin Beliakov  Account Info
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Very good point, I hope others would understand it too. TI's arent super comuters afterall and their games are already cool.

     8 December 2001, 23:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
GavinO  Account Info
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In any case, its easier to get an older processor to conserve batteries than a newer one. Using a P4 in a calc would get awesome performance . . . for the 2 seconds your AAA's lasted. The only reason that I've ever seen my calc lag is because of stuff that makes my desktop lag too, like solving 5 equations at once.

     9 December 2001, 02:31 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
SHEENmaster  Account Info
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TI will probably continue to make z80 calcs and will probably continue to make new 83+ editions. I regard this as a poor marketing decision. I personally have an 83+ that I just use for games, an 86 for standardised tests, and a 92+ for class(adv. algebra this semester, adv alg 2 next semester).

Ti is makeing newer, fancier, ti83+ calculators when the problem is that the 83+ can do squat! I would sell my firstborn for a 92+ with a flash card drive, I <b>might</a> sell a "free 20oz coke" bottle cap for an 83+.

TI needs to come out with a ti92++ or something new and more powerfull in the 68k calcs. The 89 is a good idea, but nothing beats a fully functional qwerty keyboard on a calc.

     9 December 2001, 17:11 GMT


Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Jeff Barrett  Account Info

Even if ZiLOG dies completely as a result of this (not a sure thing. Companies can and do come back from bankruptcy), it won't be the end of TI-86, etc. TI is still manufacturing Z80 devices, although any new calculators they produce in the future will probably be 68k like the 89, or something even newer. Nintendo has (or at least had) a major Z80 buisness with the GB/GBP/GBC (i don't knwo if the GBA uses a Z80 or not). A few other bits of cheap electronics use Z80 processors. Somebody will surely step in and start making Z80 clone chips, if for no other reason than to take over that revenue until the companies still using the Z80 and other ZiLOG chips move on to something newer, at which point, the company that stepped in to make the Z80 replacements would be able finegle furthur deals with them.

     9 December 2001, 02:39 GMT

Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
XLC12RF
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Does anybody know how that would effect TI? Would they begin, maufacturing their own processors, and would TI possibly enhance the processor they use?

     7 December 2001, 23:25 GMT

Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
BigRedDog  Account Info
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Hey Jay (that's a rhyme:)

Interesting question. Is this good or bad for TI? Long term? Short term?

     7 December 2001, 23:31 GMT


Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Michael Vincent  Account Info
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Well the TI-83 Plus SE doesn't have a Zilog CPU inside it...A whole bunch of stuff is integrated into a TI chip. My guess is TI has license rights or something from Zilog. Possibly TI could be allowed to use the design inside their future calcs.

     7 December 2001, 23:32 GMT

Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
DasBoot  Account Info

So how does my silver viewscreen relly look like...
Ït's perfectly compatible with 83+ after all, so there should be some zilog ingredients in it...

Civ3 rocks!

     7 December 2001, 23:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Cullen Logan  Account Info
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It is a modified Z80, but not necessarily made my zilog. At work in our MP3 chip we use a Motorola 56K core DSP but the chip itself is made by us. It is probably just liscensed as Michael said! That isn't to say that Zilog doesn't get money for every zilog based processor made.

     8 December 2001, 02:30 GMT

Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
BigRedDog  Account Info
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I know very little about the rules of our economy, but what IF this license expires? What is the future of TI's calcs? The 68000 implemented into the 8x calcs?

Whoa, I'm posting too much, too fast. My head hurts, I guess that's what I get for getting my head slammed by a textbook. Is there no end to my pointless rambling? Eventually there is. Now, in fact.

     7 December 2001, 23:41 GMT


Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Peter Martijn Kuipers  Account Info

That's a comfort...
I guess the TI83+SE will be in production for some time longer.
Curious about the ordinary 83+ and 83- though.

     7 December 2001, 23:47 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Michael Vincent  Account Info
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Well my 83+s have a real Zilog Z80 CPU inside them. My 83 has a separate CPU, but instead of being a Zilog it's marked with a "T" so I'm pretty sure it's Toshiba. These necessarily aren't Z80 CPUs, but they are completely identical/compatible.

     8 December 2001, 01:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
lord_nightrose Account Info
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83-? interesting... the calc between 82 and 83.

     8 December 2001, 06:52 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ZiLOG Files for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection
Peter Martijn Kuipers  Account Info

No, just a nickname for the TI83, to distinguish it more clearly from the 83+ and 83+SE...

     8 December 2001, 14:39 GMT

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