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Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Posted by Nick on 25 May 2000, 23:25 GMT

Aside from the initial shock of a French programmer actually claiming their file, Tex v0.2.0 Alpha is pretty neat. Designed by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier as a front-end to Teos (but it should work on any shell), this looks pretty nice at first glance. It includes many file and folder functions, support for passwords, a real-time bench (whatever that is), and battery level detection. You can snag this fine spec-o-mine for the 89 and the 92 Plus.

 


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Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
HighDefinition Account Info

Whoa, cool. I'll have to check this out.

     25 May 2000, 23:42 GMT


Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
kinsella alexis  Account Info
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hum hum, Blue-calx -> you say that you don't put a lot new items on ticalc's news from french programmers, I have sent my programs since 2 month many time and you never put them in the news or in the program archive!
I have made 2 games (yahtzee and timebomb (a demine) and I have made brain an explorer.
I have send mails to the news, I have put my programs on the FTP but never a news!!!
whell, you dislike french programmers on ticalc?
Blue-calcx can you mail me to say what I have to do to have my programs in news?
thank you
sorry for my poor english
PS: I am programming a txt editor on calc with formatted txt
One thing more: bigdyna from blue-z is one of better games on 89 and in the beginning you didn't wan't to put this on the news! many french programmers have problems to put there programs in the news of ticalc:
you didn't spoke of brain pctool mr nutzs and many other french programs at any time

     26 May 2000, 12:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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To actually upload *and claim* a file on ticalc.org go to the url above.
You cannot - CANNOT - simply upload a file and expect us to add it. You MUST fill out this form.

If you haven't done so, then it's clear that you haven't:

- read README.upload on the FTP site
- read how to contribute files to our archives.

Before I can do anything for anyone, the file(s) need(s) to be in our archives.

Please understand that I'm a nice person as long as you learn to follow directions.

I don't mean to discriminate against French programmers, and I don't think I've ever done that in the past, but on the whole I sadly admit that French programmers, on the whole, are the ones who don't follow the directions we clearly state on the site.

We'll be updating these soon to reflect the changes we've made to the process, such as adding the file upload form.

To conclude, I *WILL* gladly post anything you darn well please, as long as you're willing to cooperate. It's the part of the author(s) to make sure that they fulfill their end of it - by actually showing me their stuff and what they can do.

Now, in case you want it re-stated, in easy-to-understand English, here it is:

- Go to the (Web Page) link that I put at the top of my comment.
- Fill out the form in full. Upload separate files for each calculator (i.e. if the file is for three calculators, upload three differently named files). Use the same information for all three.
- Use your real name as you want it to appear for all posterity, because once you're a part of authinfo it makes it quite hellish for us to change things.
- When you have everything filled out, click Submit and, if you want me to consider it, email me. I'll usually look at a program if it's just been added, but this gets my attention more easily.
Unless you're philring83 or from SiCoDe, or you have something _truly_ revolutionary, please don't email me for BASIC. It will be promptly deleted.

I read all my emails. You might not get a response, but I _read_ _all_ _of_ _them_.

If I can get your (and everyone's) cooperation during this, then everyone will benefit in the end.

Please.

--BlueCalx

     26 May 2000, 15:20 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
PpHd  Account Info

Could the staff modify the way of claiming our files so that we can add the same file to different sections without uploading 2, 3, ... times ?
It is quite boring.

     26 May 2000, 16:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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We're working on that as we speak (it's in beta). It's a symbolic linking system where one file is linked to multiple times from multiple directories in our archives.

All we need to fix is:

- deleting links
- tying it to featprog so the same program doesn't get nominated twice or thrice

It's very near to completion. Trust me, this is a problem we've touched on before, and it's close to being fixed.

--BlueCalx

     26 May 2000, 22:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
David Hall  Account Info
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> I don't mean to discriminate against French programmers, and I don't think I've ever done that in the past, but on the whole I sadly admit that French programmers, on the whole, are the ones who don't follow the directions we clearly state on the site.

LOL. Clearly in what language, BlueCalx????
I think that clears that one up.

!!!PLUG!!! http://sicode.ticalc.org/psycho !!!PLUG!!!

     26 May 2000, 19:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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Would you rather I ran it through Babelfish? :)

Seriously, if someone wants to do an accurate translation, I'll definitely see to getting it up on the site.

--BlueCalx

     26 May 2000, 22:30 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Charles Yong  Account Info

no offense to non-french people (heck I'm american, but it's kinda obvious what I'm gonna say)

I usually check my calc news like this

1. tinews.net
2. ti-fr.org
3. macross2000.org

Lately I haven't been checking ticalc.org lately cause they never put up any of the really cool news. Tinews usually catches stuff from ti-fr and ticalc and some stuff from just about everywhere else, which is why I head there first. TI-FR, SOMEHOW manages to get ALL the cool news. I heard about SMA there days before it hit ticalc, grabbed TEOS about a month earlier than most (with the wonderful HW2 grayscale fix) since ticalc didn't even give it a feature. These shells were out 'n about for a while before ticalc got it.

If you want to act so high 'n mighty about programmers coming to you to get their programs featured, it's not their loss, but yours if you don't bother looking out for cool news.

somehow TI-FR manages to get all the news out from the french programmers who never "claim" their files, and tinews does too... why no ticalc? hehehe, I think you know why

-Trailblazer

feel free to flame... I don't read the responses:P

     27 May 2000, 07:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Scott Noveck  Account Info
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FYI, the hardware 2 grayscale fix was announced and released here on ticalc before anywhere else. See the past news item.

     27 May 2000, 17:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Charles Yong  Account Info

well I can't argue with you since I don't remember that far back and am too lazy to look in news articles, but what I might be thinking of is TEOS with its archivable libs:P In any case, I know that I had downloaded TEOS (whether with HW2 grayscale or archiveable libs) a long while before ticalc ever got it in their archives (and, in fact, once they got TEOS in their archives, it never became a feature until the HW2 grayscale thing came out, or something)

-Trailblazer

     28 May 2000, 02:35 GMT

Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Rgb9000  Account Info

Why have all these shells for the 89 been coming out as of late? Brain, pct, this one...I always thought doors explorer was great. Quick to access(UP-ON) and with enough features and a small file size (81?? bytes) That it was pretty darn good. Brain had a built in picture viewer, sure, and pct had those good plugins, and I havent personally tried this one, but I think we need to standardize on one shell, and move on to programming utilities and games for the 89, but still update it of course. But hey, everyone has there favorite, and it would be a good poll "What's your favorite shell for the 89?" and I would like to see the results of that poll.

--R
BTW FC

     25 May 2000, 23:47 GMT


Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
WashBasin  Account Info
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you can run these shells using UP + ON, by renaming them to doors, and if you want multiple shells on ur calc and with easy access, just rename them to kbdprgm1, kbdprgm2 etc..

     26 May 2000, 01:28 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Reno  Account Info

just a note, the actual name of that "UP" key is "shift", so you don't confuse people into holding the up arrow + on...

(if you look on your computer keyboard, the shift key has the same symbol as the one on the 89, and i guess the 92(+), but I've never tried a 92(+))

     26 May 2000, 01:56 GMT

Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
arkane17

Do French programmers usually not claim their files? Hmm. I'll have to check this one out. TEOS is a step ahead of Doors =) Is this by the same authors?

     25 May 2000, 23:48 GMT


Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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No.
This is why you almost never see news items for French programs on this site.

If you don't want to claim your files and show ME what you have to offer, then it's clear you don't want the rest of the world to see your achievements either.
I don't mind that decision. It's _yours_ to make.

--BlueCalx

     26 May 2000, 00:24 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Charles Yong  Account Info

Gee BlueCalx, acting a lil high and mighty there. I guess French programmers just want a LITTLE respect for the hundreds of hours they've put into their program!

-Trailblazer

     26 May 2000, 07:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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And they'll get a LOT of respect if they put in five minutes to make me and the rest of the staff happy.

Trust me - you have *no* idea how much easier this makes our lives.

I don't mean to sound arrogant, but I've never been able to fathom the irrational behavior of these people.

It's irked me long enough. If you were in my position, you'd feel the same way. It's just now that I've finally decided to be vocal on it.

--BlueCalx

     26 May 2000, 15:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
David Hall  Account Info
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Duh! Instructions in ENGLISH. French people tend to speak FRENCH. Comprende vouz???? ;)

     26 May 2000, 19:39 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Jonas Lööf

And swedes tend to speak swedish, but that dosn't stop all the swedish programmers from reading the instruktions...

     26 May 2000, 20:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

Both Magnus and Henrik speak better English than I do in many cases :-)

--BlueCalx

     26 May 2000, 22:32 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
KinkyPimp  Account Info

Hmm, it would be rather interesting to do french instructions, seing how french is the second language of the internet. Maybe if someone had the time and will to translate all the instructions to french ticalc would post them on a seperate link on the instruction site.

     26 May 2000, 20:14 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
EvanMath

I would be willing to do this, but I'm currently only in French 1 in school. I actually took it in part so I could read all the great French calculator (and other) sites. Maybe in 2-3 years, when I'm a bit more fluent...

     26 May 2000, 22:19 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Charles Yong  Account Info

gee, ti-fr gets a lot of "french programming news" long ahead of ticalc.org ... I wonder why? Perhaps it's cause their site is in french.

As a plus, for their english speaking readers (I.E. me) they have an english version of their site. In any case I don't check ticalc.org for news anymore, but usually to download old files (ticalc still has the best archive system I've seen) and to post belligerent messages aimed at destroying society as we know it...

-Trailblazer

     27 May 2000, 08:02 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Clem  Account Info
(Web Page)

Hmm, didn't I claim my files?? (well... except one of them maybe, which I sent you anyway)

!!! :)

     26 May 2000, 08:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Sebastian Reichelt  Account Info
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Compare the population of France to the population of the US, and apply that ratio to news items. I wonder what you'd get.

BTW: I can tell you why there are absolutely no news items from German programmers: We are simply not allowed to use any programmable or graphing calculators at school. Little disadvantage, don't you think? I wonder what the situation is like in France. (If you are wondering what _I_ am doing on this site: I just spent a year in the US as an exchange student.)

     26 May 2000, 20:09 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
JaggedFlame

A simple case of inverse variation - the more people the US has than France, the more news items the French get.

Chew on that for a while... :-)

     27 May 2000, 00:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Sebastian Reichelt  Account Info
(Web Page)

What? That doesn't really make sense to me.

     27 May 2000, 00:37 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
JaggedFlame

No, I only meant that France has less people, but for some reason gets more news items. Check TI-FR to see what I mean...

     27 May 2000, 02:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

One to five.

Now do it for our news posts.

Now do it for the ratio of French programmers to American/British ones. As usual, BASIC doesn't count.

I thought so.

--BlueCalx

     27 May 2000, 00:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Sebastian Reichelt  Account Info
(Web Page)

How about the second part? Can anyone give me an answer to that?

     27 May 2000, 01:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Blue_Z  Account Info
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The second part ? Concerning French students being able to use and program graphics calculators ? There are no restrictions for us. Graphic calculators are fully authorized in France. And french programmers are very actives.
Concerning the ratio, it depends wether you're talking about Z80 calcs or 68k calcs. Concerning french Z80 programmers, Clement Vasseur is the only one I know so far. But concerning 68K programmers, I can assure you that they are very numerous : TeOS, DoorsOS, UniOS, TIGCC, for example, were made by french peoples. A lot of cool games, like SF2T, Supercar, SolarStriker, Sonic, Bigdyna (mine :)), were also made by french peoples. Not to talk about the recent adaptation of the famous SNES game Mr Nuts, once again "forgotten" by ticalc.org (whatever the reason is), and a lot of other stuff I'm forgetting. Yes, this may be the reason for the great number of news on ti-fr.

     28 May 2000, 01:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Sebastian Reichelt  Account Info
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About the availability of calculators: OK. Sucks for me. (I don't think I have any chance to convince the board of education, not to mention that you CAN cheat badly with those nice little things.)

About the programs written by French programmers: I know that. File your complaint against Nick, not me. :-) BTW: A ratio of news posts would really be a nice thing. Do updates count? ;-)

     28 May 2000, 06:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Tex v0.2.0 Alpha by Guillaume de Vivies and Loic Minier
Paul Froissart  Account Info
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Well, I think that if updates count, then maybe US' ratio will be superior to France's. Why? Simply because French program don't release many beta... they are more perfectionist :)

     4 June 2000, 18:57 GMT

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