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Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Posted by Nick on 15 April 2000, 22:47 GMT

Lotus Turbo Challenge v1.0Uh... go Wildcats. Or something.
With that in mind, I have an obligation to give my mad props to what we in the TI calculator biz would call "God's God": Rusty Wagner has ported the notoriously amazing racing game Lotus Turbo Challenge to the 86. Great work. No visible differences from the original. The original author, Badja, has his home page here.

Jonah Cohen pestered me after TI Extended Operating System (Teos) v1.02 came out, so here I am. Bugfixes and added hardware 2.00/1.00 support comes with this version. This looks like it has a great deal of potential, so keep an eye on it.

Paul Boswell (email address? anyone?) and Elliot Olney have released a clone of Bomberman for the 89. I know this is my third Bomberman reference in just over a week, but hey - it's BOMBERMAN! :)

 


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Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Juan Corral  Account Info
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I have one single comment, TEOS is quickly going to make DoorsOS look real bad.

It will soon have a "shell" that will make Doors look really lame, and TEOS's features are just so cool.

And then TEOS has the one thing that Doors has always lacked, it OPEN SOURCE, the way *ALL* programs should be.

     15 April 2000, 23:56 GMT

Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Charles Yong  Account Info

hehe, yep I second that, already I use solely TEOS since doorsos is like a macintosh on an outdated OS compared to a PC on linux:P

Once TEOS gets a shell *shudder*... well.... let's just say I hope that the Doors team comes out with something really cool to stay in the biz:P

-Trailblazer

     16 April 2000, 00:15 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Juan Corral  Account Info
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DoorsOS isn't THAT bad (c'mon Mac bad, nothing is that bad*)

I exclusively used DoorsOS even when it sucked (ie, when PlusShell was kicking ass!), cause I liked using the command line. But then the Doors-Explorer came out, and that just changed everything :)

So, as soon as TEOS gets a more "advanced" shell than Doors, it will be unstoppable.

LONG LIVE OPEN SOURCE!

*Macs sucking is my sole opinion, based on heavy usage at school and work

     16 April 2000, 04:46 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
mysteryegg  Account Info
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were we just asking for flames here? the key above was "outdated OS" mac... which is pretty bad... considering an outdated OS (assuming say, 4 years old) generally complemented a harddrive of say, 80MB... which is less than the MEMORY limit of the Macs they make today (those new ones come with 128 Megs of RAM... whoa)
I'll have to check out the Teos... but when you consider that Apple has a community just like TI calculators... we should all be careful in shunning the mighty apple... as nobody with smarts will exalt the windows OS... those of us installing our own calculator OS should at least acknowledge that :P (hey, at least get some Linux in here... open source like Teos... what can I say?)

oh... by the way...
yay bomberman
cain't never have 'nough bomberman

     18 April 2000, 01:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Kenneth Arnold Account Info

Hey -- write a shell. Any Doors shell will run under TEOS, or should run (Doors Explorer works). However, kernel-independance and open-sourced would be even better -- just use TIGCC.

Speaking of Linux... anybody want to do a port? Please!!?!?!?!

     16 April 2000, 21:20 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Reno  Account Info

while we're making demands the programmers probably don't want to hear, will someone port cd-rw drivers to the 89 and make a special device that will allow me to connect my external 4x4x6 to the 89's link port? thanks in advance....

     17 April 2000, 00:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Kenneth Arnold Account Info

sure... give me the specs and a 650 MB memory addition, and I'll do it. :-) -- there is a big difference between the two suggestions.

     17 April 2000, 21:14 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Clinton Ebadi  Account Info
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hmmmmm.....porting linux to a ti-calc. It's almost fasible on the 89 and 92/+. But, linux is a 32-bit OS, and they are only 16-bit. So, that would mean: (a)reqrite of the entire kernel, (b)No apps that would run for it. If ti only made a calc with a 32-bit processor...I want my 900Mhz crusoe based graphing calculator! Graphs so fast you can't even see them! and, TI needs ot make ones with nice color displays and more RAM (4 MB is good for me), and a nice 10Megs of flash space, but not like their existing flash -- I'm talking like a hardrive flash where you put all fo your apps. Then, the RAM would be used as swap space. Then, I could port linux to it. And if it had twice the RAM and flash....say hello to X-windows! Not just any X-windows, but mentalUNIX 3rd generation display layer X (of course it would be much smaller, and have crappy graphics). I am offtopic. I realize that this will probab;ly be deleted. oh well. at laeast one person has read this. and, if you want ot see linux on every device ever made, join mentalunix (http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mentalunix ). after we are done our distro....say hello to a TI-3000plus port...heh

     20 April 2000, 23:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Kenneth Arnold Account Info

Linux is a 32-bit OS. But there's already a port for M68k (M68020 and up). So that's not an issue.

Actually I've thought quite a bit about this. I do think it _is_ possible, just somebody's gotta do it (I would ask Xavier Vassor, whom I talk to a lot, but he doesn't do Linux -- know anybody who knows both Linux and M68k ASM?)

A few things you'd need:

* since the LCD is a mem-mapped region, framebuffer would make that a piece of cake.

* anybody know about the protected mode support on the M68000? is it enforcable? kernel/user mode? i know that there is some form of protected memory, but judging by the stability of many ASM programs, not much.

* virtual memory is out of the question, unless by some round of sheer luck someone could convince the M68k that (a) a Flash ROM is a "hard disk" (not hard) and (b) there exist things called pages that you're supposed to keep track of.

* Flash ROM, link port, framebuffer, FP EMU, keypad, and linkport (networking?) is just about all the extras the kernel should need.

* Maybe a cash incentive would make this a more fruitful course to pursue? I'd contribute some.

Seriously, if only for the sheer heck of it, let's see if we can get bash running on the TI-89. That would be fun, and man I would have something to show my friends!

Kenneth (pretty-please-with-a-cherry-on-top look)

     24 April 2000, 22:28 GMT

Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Amalfi Marini  Account Info

Have anyone tested Prosit ? it didn't work for me under teos.(under DoorsOs 0.96 it runs but is not estable...)
Sometimes using doors under teos, libraries apears locked instead of archived...And some programs crashed.(I don't know , I have to try everything again)But for now , I turned back to DoorsOs again . 'til the next release . Same with bomberman...
Lotus seems great , I wish someone to make a good racing game for TI , Since Aerox is not like F-Zero
(never!)

     16 April 2000, 00:45 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Charles Yong  Account Info

aerox is actually fast enough on HW2 calcs to be like star wars racer...

-Trailblazer

     16 April 2000, 01:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Amalfi Marini  Account Info

want a HW2 calc

NOW!!!!



anyway , F-zero has textures. I think if someone programs with 3dlib , then we'll get a real F-zerolike
game. Just dreaming. HW2 calcs .... they aren't very good with grayscale yet ...

     16 April 2000, 01:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Jeff Meister  Account Info

No you don't... HW1 is soooo much better. So what if HW2 goes a little bit faster. It's not that fast, his comment about it being like star wars is blowing it out of proportion. Besides, sure the aerox demo is cool, but is that all you want to be playing? It's one of the only games that works... believe me I have a friend (Jeff Chai, he writes those 83+ asm features) who is begging to play games on my HW1 cuz his HW2 doesn't run any.

- Jeff

     17 April 2000, 14:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
JaggedFlame

On the contrary... I have a HW2 and i'm running SMQ, SMA, TI-Chess (big surprise), and all sorts of other stuff...

     18 April 2000, 05:07 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Juan Corral  Account Info
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Why are you using Prosit for? It's basically a big, buggy demo. It doesn't do anything worth the space it takes up.

I'm not trying to say that Niklas Brunlid sucks, because he is easily one of the better TI-68k programmers around (right up there with the likes of Rusty Wagner, Xavier Vassor, and just about all the other French 68k programmers whos name's I forget).

However, if he made a file manager for it, it would be very cool.

     16 April 2000, 04:42 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Amalfi Marini  Account Info

but why prosit works(almost) under doorsos and not(really not) under teos ? Did you checked the last version of prosit -eh- did you know that Niklas Brunlid is still working on it ?(maybe he stoped, but he's looking for someone who can help). I know that is buggy, but prosit is a very nice program , maybe is not very useful, not yet . just wait, if someone starts programing good things for prosit then it would be great . what do you think?

     16 April 2000, 05:53 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Juan Corral  Account Info
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As I said, *IF* Prosit had a file manager, then it would be really cool, but until that happens, well...

     16 April 2000, 05:59 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Amalfi Marini  Account Info

file manager with subfolder support ! that would be cool !

     16 April 2000, 20:55 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Paul Froissart  Account Info
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Yup, I am programming the *real* F-Zero. Its name is Formula 0... stay tuned!

     16 April 2000, 20:13 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Amalfi Marini  Account Info

that's good ! will you use 3dlib ? maybe it can help , but the only 3D thing that F-zero has is the track , the rest (cars , energy ship , background) ,are simple pictures .

     16 April 2000, 23:48 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Reno  Account Info

actually, if you mean the Super Nintendo F-Zero, there is no 3d in it; it uses a special routine called Mode 7 effects (I think; mode 7 was also used in Mario Kart and Final Fantasy 6 (FF3 for the US), when you were flying the airship it made things like mountains or castles far away look tiny and as you flew closer toward them they became bigger and easier to see...)

The F-Zero 64 version was totally 3d I believe...

     17 April 2000, 00:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
CircaX  Account Info
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Yes, mode 7 was actually quite an interesting feature of the 16 bit system. It had the capability to show nice 3d graphics at high speed, without much usage of the system. Maybe an emu writer could tell us more.

     17 April 2000, 21:01 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
AuroraBoriales  Account Info

Hmm.. Well go ask the people over at:

www.snes9x.com

they made snes9x(DUH!)

And also goto:

www.Zsnes.com

They made zsnes
Both are REALLY good emulators. I heard that zsnes has pretty good mode 7 routines.

BTW
Could anyone make a SPC player? SPC is basically a dump of the SNES processor(SPC700) that you get from emulators. Winamp can play these if you download a plugin. They are THE EXACT MUSIC of the SNES, and are much better than MIDI.

     26 April 2000, 01:31 GMT


Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
vod

Does TEOS have support for 2nd-off at any time (like UOS), that is one feature i find very usefull

     16 April 2000, 09:55 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Lotus Turbo Challenge, Teos v1.02, Bomberman 89
Kenneth Arnold Account Info

it doesn't, but you have the source... the only reason I haven't done that is because I don't know m68k ASM (and the comments are in French).

     16 April 2000, 21:21 GMT

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