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Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Posted by Nick on 10 January 2000, 03:33 GMT

Otaku Programming AssociationAnd you thought life couldn't get any better. You were so wrong. Otaku Programming Association is now hosted under ticalc.org. This hosted site is another programming group. They have released programs such as Fallup for the 83 and the 83 Plus (Ion) and Latin Translator II for the 89. They're currently accepting new members and they have some great programs in store for the future, so be sure to head there soon!

 


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Game piracy?
Sam Heald  Account Info
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Huh? Is fallup is legal alteration of falldown? I looked at the source code, and it seems like less than a dozen lines of code were altered (by altered I mean changing hl's offset in certain places to make the screen upside down). I don't think Ahmed would knowingly allow someone else to take sole authorship credit for his work. "Based on Falldown"...

     10 January 2000, 04:37 GMT

Re: Game piracy?
Sam Heald  Account Info
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Even if fallup is "legal", it definitely should not be a featured program...

     10 January 2000, 04:41 GMT

Re: Re: Game piracy?
AgntM13  Account Info

if you are refering to ticalc.org, which I think you are, it isn't a featured program, however, I don't even think it should be on the site. It is just a moron that attempted to write his own program, but probably realized it was too hard, and copied somebbody else's. I made this game already and it took me about 2 seconds. All you have to do is turn your calculator upside down. It doesn't take a good programmer to figure that out.

     11 January 2000, 00:22 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Game piracy?
AgntM13  Account Info

Check out the anti-piracy document at the bottom of their webpage. :-)

     11 January 2000, 00:28 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Game piracy?
Doug Williams  Account Info
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It was not piracy,
Paras got permission to release it. He gives credit in the readme.

If you have questions about this for him, email him:
Pbf16@aol.com

>>Doug

     11 January 2000, 00:38 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Game piracy?
Sam Heald  Account Info
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In that case, you (OPA) have a very strange method of appropriating credit. In the Fallup docs, it says:
Fall Up????? version 1
By Paras Baxi
Based on Fall Down by:
Ian Graf (port) (ian_graf@geocities.com)
Florent Dhordain (original) (flo.dh@usa.net)
Ahmed El-Helw (original) (ahmedre@bellsouth.net)

What it should read:
By: Ahmed
Florent
Ian (port)
Modified by: Paras

There is a huge difference. Falldown 83 was BASED upon Falldown 89, but no code was shared. SubHunt 8X was based on a palm pilot game, but no code was shared. Fallup hacked 8 lines of Falldown code and was recompiled. Just look at the ticalc.org program information page, and you'll see only one author is listed.

     11 January 2000, 00:56 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Game piracy?
Sam Heald  Account Info
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It was a featured program at the time of my post.

     11 January 2000, 00:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Game piracy?
AgntM13  Account Info

oh, ok, didn't mean to offend you, sorry

     11 January 2000, 03:12 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Game piracy?
Sam Heald  Account Info
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Don't apologize, you didn't offend me at all. I only replied to justify why my previous comment might seem crazy.

     11 January 2000, 05:25 GMT


Re: Re: Game piracy?
amicek  Account Info
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Was it a featured program? I'm not sure it was. By the way if that more information icon looks familiar (you know the magnifying things that are next to every file) it should because it is a smaller version of the Microsoft Word print preview button. I am almost positive it is just a smaller version of that.

amicek

     11 January 2000, 22:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Game piracy?
Nick Chaves  Account Info
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Yeah, it's pretty much a rip off of that.

     13 January 2000, 06:07 GMT


Re: Game piracy?
David Phillips  Account Info
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Exactly. Fall Down isn't even that hard of a game to code in the first place. I had a working version for the Game Boy after one night's programming (yes, it's on ACZ).

     12 January 2000, 03:18 GMT

Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
poison  Account Info

supz,
do you guys plan on making a german, spanish or especially french (for those of us who don't know french as far as TI-FR goes ;D )
btw-babelfish works hella good, but why not have a program that'll do it too? ;x
latas
-poison

     10 January 2000, 04:39 GMT

Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Ciaran McCreesh  Account Info
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Hmmm, why don't you try it? It can't be too hard (smirk)...

Ciaran McCreesh
http://www.asm86.cwc.net/ for a ti86 asm tutorial.

     10 January 2000, 19:31 GMT


Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
ikecam  Account Info

Finding that babble fish sucked, I went elsewhere for my translation purposes.

Constatant que les poissons de rumeur sucés, je sont allés ailleurs pour ma traduction.

Trovando che i pesci di babble succhiati, io sono andato altrove per i miei scopi di traduzione.

Finden, daß die gesogenen Geplapperfische, ich anderwohin zu meinen Übersetzung Zwecken gingen.

Encontrando que los pescados de la interferencia aspirados, yo fueron a otra parte para mis propósitos de la traducción.

Behold the enfluence of Douglass Adams.

     11 January 2000, 04:08 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Ciaran McCreesh  Account Info
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Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

Ciaran McCreesh
http://www.asm86.cwc.net/ for a ti86 asm tutorial.

     12 January 2000, 19:48 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Rackford Smith  Account Info
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I usually use http://translator.go.com when I translate something.

     12 January 2000, 21:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Nikku-kun Account Info

Go's translator is the same as Babelfish ... don't fool yourself thinking it's better. ^_^

     15 January 2000, 02:35 GMT

Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
brentes
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Ok, so we know they copied falldown and altered source code... but how many sites are we gonna get in the same format as freshmeat.net and ticalc.org?!?!

     10 January 2000, 05:09 GMT

Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Doug Williams  Account Info
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Paras got permission to do that. He asked the original authors before releasing that.
>>Doug

     10 January 2000, 13:43 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
KinkyPimp  Account Info

Still I don't the idea of seeing like 20 falldown clones with just minor alterations with the source code which is the case with the TI-83/83+ basic race games where all the "authors" change is the car or the walls and then say it's "their" game.

     10 January 2000, 21:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
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Hey, you took my idea. I was planning on releasing a clone of Falldown of my own, called Fallover, where it scrolls across instead of down. Geez! I was 97% through hacking Ahmed's code when this idiot released this. Darn. Maybe I'll hack Don Barnes' SMQ and have an anti-gravity version where you have magnetic boots that only stick to ceilings. <g>

~ferich

     11 January 2000, 01:37 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
akadajet  Account Info
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Hehe, that would be cool! Even though Im not an 89 owner (I plan to be in the future) , antgravity SMQ would rock!! ;) <g>

~Jonathan Taylor

     11 January 2000, 02:22 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
ikecam  Account Info

I'm planning to make a Ztetris variant where the blocks fall upward. After that, I will make a SQRXZ takeoff where you move from right to left (I'll even make a level converter). Then I'll make a version of Galaxian where the levels come in reverse order. Finaly, I will pass them all off as original programing.

     11 January 2000, 04:12 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Charles Yong  Account Info

Geez Ya'all!!! You took MY idea. But I was much more creative. I was going to switch the keys around on my version of "Falloff Man" where I add a pair of eyes to the ball so it's a man...

-Trailblazer

     11 January 2000, 04:41 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
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Now you know what would be cool... If when Falloff Man *didn't* make it, you could see his blood and guts spatter all over the place.

On a more serious note, is it possible to make a version of Falldown where you can actually move faster than the advancing screen. Perhaps a version more reminiscent of that one Super Mario level where the giant wall of death keeps on advancing towards you. I hate it when I can't move anymore, when I'm stuck at the bottom of the screen until a new level appears.

~ferich

     11 January 2000, 16:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
ikecam  Account Info
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Yeah, but unlike Mario, there is no real danger present by moving faster than the screen. In SMB, you might get crushed by a granite rock or hit by a goomba or fall off something if you don't wait for the screen to show you what's ahead. In falldown, however, it doesn't really make the game much more interesting.

     11 January 2000, 21:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
AlienCow  Account Info
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I decided to use the *name* of another program to make mine popular. You see, I just created a program that can.. get this!.. add numbers!!!!! I'm calling it ZTetris and releasing it tomorrow! ;)

     12 January 2000, 14:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
KinkyPimp  Account Info

Back to fallup, sure it has new "options" (uh 2 speed settings), however it does contain a serious bug (well my version does at least) if you get around 1300 points your ball gets stuck and you can't move it. I tried both speed settings, and I always get stuck at around 1300. I never had that problem with falldown, so it's not only a copy it's even a bad one.

     13 January 2000, 21:15 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Kirk Meyer  Account Info
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Gosh, Paras sure gets a whole lot of permission, doesn't he...

     15 January 2000, 05:41 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
AlienCow  Account Info
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Assuming the truth is being told here, isn't it a good thing that Paras got all this permission?

     15 January 2000, 23:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Kirk Meyer  Account Info
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You are assuming the truth is being told. Do you really think that Paras asked ticalc.org and/or freshmeat for permission to copy their layout? What kind of site would give that kind of permission anyway? If he indeed got permission to change Falldown, I bet it was permission to /really/ change it... What author would give permission to change a game as little as this when a version already exists?

     16 January 2000, 02:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Doug Williams  Account Info
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I am the [co-]author of the site.
That's right, the AUTHOR. I copyied no one's site and I altered no one's code. There is only so much that you can do with a page and that is the end of my artistic means.
Unless you have a crappy page that is bland and boring, somewhere on the net you will find someone with a similar layout.
Our current layout suits us best and I like it so deal with it.

About Paras' Falldown, a new version is being released with PROPER documentation.


>>Doug
If you want to flame me or anything email me and don't take up Ticalcs time and space!
dougw101@hotmail.com

     16 January 2000, 05:01 GMT


Re: Re: Otaku Programming Association: opa.ticalc.org
Vejita
(Web Page)

EXACTLY, heh, all these new sites look the same dangit.


Be more unique.

     11 January 2000, 22:17 GMT

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