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Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Posted by Nick on 31 December 1999, 00:05 GMT

Many of you have seen the posts on assembly-89 concerning h4X0r and his development - or the lack thereof - of Gooey and GIDE. Lots of you emailed or IM'ed me and h4X0r with your concerns. Since I just got home less than a half-hour ago, I'm going to post as much info as I can on the matter. Here is the IRC log of me talking with h4X0r at about 4:30 PM CDT. It also contains a forwarded email of the posts by h4X0r and Scott Dial of the TCPA that started the whole mess. Props to Rob Smith for taking his time to forward this to me. More information will come soon. Please read all of the IRC log after reading the email; it helps to answer even more questions, though I still doubt their validity.

Update (Nick): Alright. Two friends of mine (who choose to remain anonymous) have given me proof beyond a reasonable doubt that this is a total hoax. I have posted a rudimentary copy of GIDE. The readme reads as follows: "Do not distribute this, it still has a few bugs and code thats not mine :) --h4x0r" Also note that this program bears a striking resemblance to SynEdit. Another person has made some annotations to h4X0r's screenshot and given them to me; I have posted them here. Once again, I apologize to everyone for the confusion and the problems that have occurred over the past few days.

 


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Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
nike  Account Info

first comment.. lol. i had to do that
anyways.. this sux but hopefully it will be released soon.

     31 December 1999, 00:12 GMT


Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Ken Account Info

I doesn't seem like it will....

     31 December 1999, 00:29 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Ken Account Info

oops... IT doesn't seem like it will be released...

     31 December 1999, 00:38 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Will Dempster  Account Info
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Ok, This reminds me of a very familiar situation involving someone i know.... hrmm.... lets not get into that. Instead of bitching we should incourage h4x0r to continue development on this. A person who doesn't program for calcs AT ALL is quick to criticize what every programmer does without thinking what kind of effort it takes to put into making these programs. What I am saying is that you should encourge h4x0r to finish the program instead of saying "HEY YOU ST00PiD $h*t j00 skr3wderd my life uperz". I find Scott's comments APALLING. I think a Flash Shell is an excellent idea! It would have better memory acess, less chance of crashing, and a shell w/out libraries would be music to my ears. I'm not dissing doors at ALL it is a marvel that I could never imagine living up to this year. So Lets all live in peace and harmony until we all die from not having our comps on Y2K

Later
-RavenMoss

     31 December 1999, 00:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Matt Landry  Account Info
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Um, Scott programs.
- Matthew

     31 December 1999, 02:49 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Will Dempster  Account Info
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I was not referring to scott with my remarks. I was referring to some of the other pitiful lamers that are quick to criticize others work when themselves don't program. I will not mention any names in this instance, rather the person should realize that it is him or herself without my having to say his or her name. With that out of the way here is the real purpose of my posting:

We all make mistakes. From reading the two irc chat logs the other one can be found at the url in the header of this post, I have seen that the one posted on ticalc.org is inconsistant with the one at tigalaxy. The one at tigalaxy shows the real account of the whole ordeal.

Also, as I previously stated, we need to encourage h4x0r to finish this project. As for the concerns as per the gide interface let this be said. I can make a similar interface in about 4-5 minutes using Visual Basic Professional. I haven't personally been able to see the src to this program to compare it to SynEdit or whatever it is accused of pirating. Once again we should be encouraging rather than condescending on the matter.

I have noticed a trend in the TI community lately, and I have been a part of it for a little over 3 years now, that is that non-programmers are quick to judge the work of programmers. This is particularly exhibited with regards to Bill Nagel's Super Mario Brothers on the TI-86. When it was released last fall, instead of sending the necessary praises to Bill, gamers/l4m4hs said that it sucked when it was actually a revolutionairy game, that built on its prediscesors SQRXZ and Penguins. After receiving too many LAMER emails, Bill stopped programming for TI calculators. Bill brought so much to the TI-Community, but it was all lost because of a few lamers who can't appreciate someones programming skills. Lets hop this doesn't happen in this case.

WAR!
-Raven

PS- I hope this comment is not deleted because it addresses some valid points as well as some criticism.

     31 December 1999, 04:25 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Matt Landry  Account Info
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"Also, as I previously stated, we need to encourage h4x0r to finish this project."

Assuming that there is anything to this project other than some "shift" looking screenshots.
- Matthew

     31 December 1999, 04:46 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Chris Perkins  Account Info
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Well he did say in the irc that he did copy parts of synedit which he got the source by asking the guy who wrote it.He was changing the code to fix his needs.I do believe he will finish it but not any time soon.Oh and as a note I was in the room.I was one of the operators Sychosoft so I should know.

     31 December 1999, 18:24 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Charles Yong  Account Info

There is such a thing is a Jealous programmer you know. But we'll never know who it is yet.

I'll make several statements first off.

wrath@calc.org or whatever, Nick I think and whoever else started this is definitely a pessimist. You go argue about that, you'll figure out what I mean eventually.

Second, if this is a hoax, H4x0r is the jealous programmers, jealous enough to fake a great program to bring attention to himself.

If this is NOT a hoax and he can really pull this off, then Nick is the jealous programmer who couldn't stand somebody else making a program this cool so he framed H4x0r to draw attention to HIMself.

That's that. When Gide is release, then it'll be released. If it's not, then it won't. And you can't say, "Oh, H4x0r is trying to delay the program, it MUST be fake" remember, Starcraft was delayed by almost a year or two, Plane jump never release a release date. You can't accuse those programs of being fakes just as you cannot do so with this program.

-Trailblazer

     31 December 1999, 04:44 GMT

Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Dougw101  Account Info
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I also don't think it will be released. If you take a look at the message board and the IRQ Log and the Email to ME it appears that it will not be released. I however don't know if it is/was a real program under real development but I do know this:
That either this is a false project that was never being made that was a chilish attempt to get in the TI spotlight.... or....
It was a project gone bad. That someone out there was trying to create something new and unique that when he tried to do so, many questions were left open and WE jumped on his case.
I am not supporting h4X0r nor am I condiming him all I am saying is that to me it appears that now (even if this project was fake) these two programs will not come out!
>>Doug

     31 December 1999, 00:54 GMT


Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
yosweetlady  Account Info

why would anyone make a fake program? clearly, the setup of his website, documentation, and forged screenshots would be a huge waste of time if this wasn't legit. Who would care that they got in the ti spotlight if it was for something that would cost them all of their respect as a programmer.

If you ask me, I think that TI paid h4X0r off with an obscene amount of money to stop him from undermining their operation...

     31 December 1999, 01:03 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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I honestly don't think TI had anything to do with this. Unless something major happens in the future that convinces me otherwise, there's just no evidence.
TI has had - and kept - a policy of not meddling much in the affairs of its third-party programmers. It might change later on (hell, it already is with flash apps), but I don't think they threatened h4X0r with legal action. In that case, h4X0r would have just told everyone that was the case and he would take his site down.
Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

--BlueCalx

     31 December 1999, 01:12 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
yosweetlady  Account Info

I knjow, it was just a joke. Ti would have hacked his site rather than paying him off. :)

     31 December 1999, 01:53 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Dougw101  Account Info
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Well I hate to tell you this but told you so...
Anyway we don't know who this is. All we know is a handle.
No one knows who h4X0r is. So we don't loose anyone's respect.
I have one more thing to say. This really sucks. Not only for those who were looking forward to this and expecting on using it but also for the whole TI community. Anyone that is desrite enough to pull this stunt SUCKS. Well that is my 2 cents.
>>Doug

     31 December 1999, 03:15 GMT

Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Ken Account Info

The ticalc site was just completely unaccessable just a few minutes ago... And at that same time, h4x0r's site was also missing. He had a few files left, but they soon dissappeared too.. Strange things are happening...

     31 December 1999, 02:37 GMT


Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
akadajet  Account Info
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Yea, I couldnt get to ticalc.org a minute ago neither.

~Jonathan Taylor

     31 December 1999, 02:48 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
PolarSmurf Account Info
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ditto here, but the pages loaded just, they took a strange amount of time, and i too was just at h4xor's site where all he had was just the screenshots and such. i clicked on many of the files and came up as a 404, so he must have been del'ing them all then.

heh, maybe this is all just 1 happy y to k nightmare and all of you are sleeping....

-Watch out for them little blue dudes
Smurf

     31 December 1999, 03:18 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
yosweetlady  Account Info

why does his site keep disapearing? he's not posting anymore either. Could it be that he's decided to disapear?

     31 December 1999, 03:19 GMT

Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Reno  Account Info

well, his page is down again, probably down for good now...

     31 December 1999, 02:40 GMT


Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Binky  Account Info
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YOU CAN TELL That the program is faked.
I am a avid VB developer, and I know for FACT, that you cannot have cursive writing in the TITLE bar. You cannot change the colors or the fonts in the title bar with ANY program (microsoft told me, cuz i asked).
It is fake!
-Sherman

     31 December 1999, 03:12 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
rob smith  Account Info
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in c++, you can MAKE YOUR OWN title bars with your own font in them

     31 December 1999, 03:20 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Reno  Account Info

hehehe, VB :P

     31 December 1999, 03:25 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Derrick  Account Info
(Web Page)

Hmmm.....I thought anything was possible with API ;-]

     31 December 1999, 04:15 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Charles Yong  Account Info

hehe visual basic?:P

*cough* no offense to you VB programmers out there.

I for one know you can do whatever the hell you want with the titlebars in most programming languages. You have almost full control (although any loss of control is due to Microsoft's sense of dominance during it's creation of Windows:P)

     31 December 1999, 04:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Cliff

Absolutely right--look at WinAmp. The entire interface is custom. :-)
And you -can- have cursive in the title bar in VB, but only if the user's machine is using a cursive font for the titlebar caption. *grin*

     31 December 1999, 05:51 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Greg Schenzel  Account Info

Hi. If I know anything in this god-for-saking world, it's VB. Of course, you can have cursive in the title bar, it just depends on the font that is selected...

     31 December 1999, 11:46 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Blue_Z  Account Info
(Web Page)

One thing is sure : the debug window is the VTI's one.

     31 December 1999, 13:14 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
rob smith  Account Info
(Web Page)

it might be, but he could of stolen the code for it and was going to write his own. that doesn't mean it is a fake.

     31 December 1999, 16:18 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
timcl  Account Info

acually, this is quite possible using the Win32API. i could cook up a demo in about five minutes.

     31 December 1999, 15:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Jon Johnson  Account Info
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All applications are subject to the system default title bar style, unless you owner draw them; in which case you can do anything... custom buttons, any font, pictures, gradients, etc.
GIDE was made in VB? There's a dependency on msvbvm50... kinda hard (but not impossible) to do what it claims in VB...
And the copy of GIDE on Nick's site displays the SynEdit splash screen, then generates an invalid page fault in unknown... mm hmm :(

     31 December 1999, 21:40 GMT

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