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Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Posted by Michael on 14 June 2004, 17:01 GMT

There is an interesting project under development called Project Qonos (that's the name of the Klingon homeworld). Qonos is a Linux PDA that will focus on a number of scientific applications, including graphing calculators. It will emulate the TI-89 and HP 48/49G. Hydrix has a survey where your opinions can shape the development of this device. You can read more detailed information at hpcalc.org.

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Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Keith Pierce  Account Info
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Now this is what I call a interesting project! How long has this been going on? I mean I heard and read about it, but never really said how long? This might make me buy one of this instead of just buy another 68k. Instead of just 1 calc i get 2! Now thats a deal. But i may not do that cuz i am a ti man all the way! This project really shows how advance we are getting with calcs. I cant wait to see what others may come out!

Reply to this comment    14 June 2004, 17:10 GMT

Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
KermMartian Account Info
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I saw this at forums.unitedti.org - hotness!

Reply to this comment    14 June 2004, 21:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Jake Griffin  Account Info
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Well, is it Quonos or Qonos? Apparently, the Ticalc staff is confused about it...I think the link they gave said Qonos, so, I'm going to go with that. The Qonos project looks pretty cool; it's an interesting idea. The only thing that I have a little hesitancy about is: Do we really need any more devices crammed into one? I mean, seriously, In a few years, if we want a cell phone, we're going to have to carry around a PDA, Calculator, Cheese Grater, etc. at this rate! That will not be fun (although the cheese grater could be pretty funNY...ok...or not). I don't mean to knock the project or anything. I DO think its cool, and would like to see the project finished. Well, gotta go do chores now. Talk to you all (do not read as "yall" unless you have the accent to match :D ) later.

Reply to this comment    15 June 2004, 18:13 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I was wondering about that too, and I'm pretty sure it's Qonos, without the u, since the site spelled it that way, and since they made it, they probably know how to spell it right. :)
I don't really mind the "cramming" so much, I guess... since if one person prefers TI, they could use the TI-89, and if another person prefers the HP-49, then they could use that. It's a good idea, but people would also have to buy the PDA part of it, which is where the money comes in... so you're probably better off just buying the individual calculators. But it's still cool to go "Hey, I have both calculators emulated here"

Reply to this comment    16 June 2004, 16:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Matthew Marshall  Account Info
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But now, what if I need a PDA as well as a caluclator? I suppose that I could keep the PDA in my left pocket, and the calculator in my right. But I would rather have just one device. That way, I could free up my left pocket for the extera pens that I cannot fit in my shirt pocket!

MWM

Reply to this comment    16 June 2004, 19:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Mister_T Account Info

Exactly! I've been using "the other brand" for years, trying to make it do that. One did -- up to a point (I mean, a message limited to six characters is a little short). I'd love to see a real PDA/calc with TI and "the other" ...

Reply to this comment    25 June 2004, 21:06 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Michael spelled it right three out of four times... give him some credit. ;-)

Nonetheless, I fixed the incorrect one.

Reply to this comment    16 June 2004, 16:41 GMT


Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
geologie  Account Info

I don't really like the keyboard but it's nice to see that something new will arrive! Since ti developped the TI-81, nothing really new was developped since. Usually, HP rules the market before TI-81 was there. Since ti grab all the market, no one have others ideas for a newer design.

Reply to this comment    14 June 2004, 23:45 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Joesph17 Account Info
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" Since ti developped the TI-81, nothing really new was developped since. Usually, HP rules the market before TI-81 was there. Since ti grab all the market, no one have others ideas for a newer design."

Huh?

Both companies have released many new products since the TI-81 was introduced. Both TI and HP came out with CAS calculators. Also Casio have come along way as well - although the classpad isn't that popular.

Reply to this comment    15 June 2004, 01:56 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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What he's saying is that there hasn't been a great deal of innovation since the TI-81 came out, because TI captured the market with the easy-to-use 81, and therefore didn't need to change anything to gain customers. The Z80 calcs are all basically the same. (In fact, I think the 81, 82, and 85 are all built on the same exact PCB, and the 83(+) PCB isn't much different.) TI hasn't done anything crazy like changing to RPN (God forbid). I would disagree with the original author by using your example of adding the CAS, though this innovation was not unique to TI. (HP and Casio have both implemented CAS, as you mentioned.) HP keeps trying to add new things that are actually DIFFERENT, like the Sandisk reader on the HP-49G+ (oh, how I want one), but TI still controls the market. Thus, they don't need to "innovate"; they just keep rereleasing the same thing in different colors so more superficial high-schoolers will say "OOOOH PRETTY COLORS" and buy more calculators.

*post continues below*

Reply to this comment    15 June 2004, 17:38 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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*continuation of above post*

The 84+ is almost exactly the same as the 83+, only with a little more memory, and a clock (which was already in the 83+SE anyway). If I put another stick of RAM in my computer and added a network card and a green cathode light, you wouldn't call it an innovation. It's still the same damn computer. The 83+ and the 73 are identical in hardware; the only difference is that the 73 has a ROM with simpler features for middle schoolers. (One of the #tcpa guys has actually forced an 83+ ROM onto a 73, though I can't say who, since that's probably a DMCA issue.) The 89 and 89Ti are the same thing, only with more memory and a pretty case. Once again, no innovation there. Voyage 200? Just a 92+ with more memory and a pretty case. The last major innovation TI made was adding Flash ROM, back in 1998. However, once again, this is not unique to TI. Anyone have any counter-examples? I'm not complaining; I love TI products, and I'll certainly be trading in my 89 for an 89Ti. All I'm saying is that the original author is right, that TI has not needed to add any real innovations to their calculators because they have controlled the market since 1990.

Reply to this comment    15 June 2004, 17:38 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
nyall Account Info
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By the way the 89 tianic is showing up in targets around the US. As an experiment I updated the rom via the USB connection: It took 3 minutes.

Reply to this comment    15 June 2004, 18:24 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Surely you meant Titanium. I doubt that the 89 Titanic would be a big seller.

Reply to this comment    16 June 2004, 16:41 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
BlackThunder  Account Info
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According to Education TI forums, Titanic is the nickname for 89 Titanium.

Reply to this comment    16 June 2004, 17:06 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Hm... it looks like that's just a name that some people have decided to use in a mildly derogatory fashion, sort of like calling the newest Nintendo console the Lamecube. I don't think TI is calling it that.

Reply to this comment    17 June 2004, 19:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
nyall Account Info
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It arose out of annoyance on the tigcc forums that this would be another platform to support that breaks many things and requires a new hardware patch for a new hardware version.

Reply to this comment    18 June 2004, 00:42 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
nyall Account Info
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I thought TI invented the high school market. Then grabbed the college and professional market.

-Samuel

Reply to this comment    15 June 2004, 18:37 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Matt Long  Account Info

Verb tenses can be so confusing...

Reply to this comment    17 June 2004, 05:01 GMT

Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Matthew Marshall  Account Info
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That is AWESOME!!! I want one so bad!!! Perhaps I should get a job.

MWM

Reply to this comment    14 June 2004, 17:42 GMT


Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Wow... it emulates BOTH the TI-89 and HP-49G? That is cool. I wonder how well it runs though.

Linux PDA?

Reply to this comment    15 June 2004, 14:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
nyall Account Info
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It's been reported that 49g emulation feels 25x faster than the actual calc.

Reply to this comment    15 June 2004, 18:33 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Really? Well, that would definitely be handy when doing complex equations and such. Though, the HP-49G is already pretty fast, isn't it?

Reply to this comment    16 June 2004, 16:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
BlackThunder  Account Info
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Actually, the TI-89 is more efficient in calculating things like factorials.

Reply to this comment    16 June 2004, 17:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
Joesph17 Account Info
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uh, no.

Try 200 factorial in exact mode. It will take about 5 and a half seconds. A HP49g+ will take about half a second.

Reply to this comment    17 June 2004, 07:44 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Project Qonos: PDA/Calculator Hybrid
nyall Account Info
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This example shows one point where the display routines of the 89 are slow. Should ti ever open source the rom I'll make it faster. But that will happen when pigs fly.

-Samuel

Reply to this comment    18 June 2004, 00:45 GMT

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