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File Rating System
Posted by Magnus on 14 March 2004, 18:25 GMT

The first part of our shiny new file rating system has been finished. This is the part that will collect the rating of the community, and store it in our database. We do not yet create any reports based on the ratings information, but will eventually. As usual, you can only rate each file once.

So, please go ahead and rate a lot of files. That way the initial rankings will contain valid data once they go up. To rate a file, bring up its file information page, and select your vote.

Update (Joey): We didn't forget about Pi Day, but no one around here could come up with enough material for an article. I guess you could go read mine from last year, or even better, Andy's article from four years ago. Happy Pi Day.

Update (Magnus): The forms now show which end of the scale means good and which means bad.

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Re: File Rating System
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

Ugh. Watch specialty files go down in ratings and be called 'junk.'

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 18:47 GMT

Re: Re: File Rating System
nolekid  Account Info

What do you mean? If a file's good, people will give it a good rank. If it's bad, it won't.

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 18:48 GMT


Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

Specialty files will be over some people's heads and they'll either ignore it or rate it down.

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 18:51 GMT

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bizpile  Account Info

you seem to be assuming that people will rate things they dont use. i sure mostly games will get rated at first anyway.

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 19:03 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

Some people will do that. Think: law of averages-it's very easy to go down and very hard to go up.

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 19:05 GMT


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BlackThunder  Account Info
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Actually, the law of averages states that it's easy to go down and hard to go up when the rating is above 5. If it's below 5, it's easy to go up and hard to go down. Or was that another law?

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 21:10 GMT


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Justin McKinley Account Info

It's easer to go tword whichever side is farther... if you are up, going down is easy, but if you are down, going up is easier.

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 21:18 GMT


WOAH! Some things just ain't working!
Ti-89_Coder Account Info
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Three (3) Points:

1) You cannot see what rating a file has been given! How often will the 'statistics be updated'?

2) If you check the link you will find that the review links for the Most Active Reviewer profiles are broken.

3) The reviews and ratings are a welcome addition to ticalc.org. Keep up the good work!

Reply to this comment    17 March 2004, 01:16 GMT


Re: WOAH! Some things just ain't working!
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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1) From the article, "We do not yet create any reports based on the ratings information, but will eventually."

2) I have made an inquiry into this problem.

3) Thank you. :-)

Reply to this comment    17 March 2004, 18:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
The Muffin Man Account Info
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Some people might want to give programs bad ratings and games good ones just for the sake of having a "Games Only" archive.

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 05:35 GMT


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molybdenum  Account Info

Even I, in my cynic nature, doubt that anyone would be that cruel. Folders are nice. Perhaps check for download by user before allowing rate, or some kind of cryptography inside programs to use a private key to generate a verification code.. and no one would go to the trouble of attempting to steal the private key from the hex, or make a system like the one I stated (-:

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 06:07 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
KermMartian Account Info
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Hopefully authors will be able to contact the file archivers if they feel a particular rating is unfair to prevent abuse...

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 15:06 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
jrock7286  Account Info

ummm...why is your emioticon standing on his head? it should be ":-)"...lol...j/k (;

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 19:18 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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It's spinning on its head like a breakdancer LOL (-;

Hey... in the article, it says, "Be psychotic like me and memorize sixty digits of pi. :)" I'm over 2.5 times as psychotic ;-) I went through my digits to my math teacher as fast as I could :-D I don't know how fast I can do 165, but I do know that I can do 100 in less than 15 seconds :-D

Wait... *tries* Whoa, I did it in 11 seconds. Of course, when I say it, all the numbers are mashed together so it's really hard to understand

"THREEPOINTONE FOURONEFIVENINE..."

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 00:28 GMT

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Sam3.14 Account Info

How do you do that? When I recite the 1st hundred digits of pi (and I do this quite often!) it takes me a minimum of about 18 seconds, and it's still pretty hard to understand.

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 01:06 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Lotsa practice? I dunno. LOL It's REALLY hard to understand, though. I guess it comes from people constantly saying, "Hey Phil! What's pi?" and then I do it for them... then they want to get their friends to hear it too, so they make me do it over and over again (it's the same thing with a backflip... everybody wants to see me do it over and over). But still, 18 seconds is pretty fast :)

*tries again a couple more times* Hmm... if I annunciate the digits clearly, I can do it in about 13, minimum. When I get to about 130, I slow down and I have to think sometimes, so I usually only time myself for the first 100.

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 17:43 GMT


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jrock7286  Account Info

Maybe the reason I'm so slow is that I don't RECITE them...I type them on my keyboard so that I can "check my work" against joyofpi.com...hey, there was a site a while back that I had found...It was like: 3.1415926535(more here).com, but I have no idea how many digits of pi the URL was...I'll have to find that again. But, what it was, is a whole site dedicated to pi, pi history, had a search for any string of digits like a birthday in pi, and all kinds of other stuff. It was pretty...cool?...hmmm...that confirms it...I'm a nerd... ;)

Reply to this comment    17 March 2004, 23:19 GMT


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Ben Cherry  Account Info
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hmmm, well i got an idea and searched consecutively more digits of pi on google. I noticed that there were spikes in number of results at 8, 15, 19, and 21. I also found a dictionary entry for 3.14159265358979323846... at this url:
http:/ /www.thefreed ictionary.com/3.14159265 3589793 23846...
and i found this url:
http://3.141592653589 793238462643383279502 88419716939937510 58209.autopron .org/
interesting stuff...

Reply to this comment    18 March 2004, 03:02 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
jrock7286  Account Info

hehe...I can't even barely count from one to ten ten times in 13 seconds...that's amazing...my pi memorization is really slow *checks speed* 8 seconds for 40 digits :( ... I mean ): ...Oh well...

Reply to this comment    17 March 2004, 23:15 GMT


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Joe Pena  Account Info
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omg people... how can you memorize so many digits?
All I know is 3.1459 ...um.... 6?

Reply to this comment    29 March 2004, 05:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
Elias Zacarias  Account Info
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If that's the case, I guess I don't have a chance :P

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 13:44 GMT

Re: Re: File Rating System
Ben Cherry  Account Info
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yeah, maybe, but they wont be "junk" because anyone with common sense will realize its a specialty file and wouldnt get a lot of ratings.

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 19:00 GMT


Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

A lot of people here could use a little more common sense. Combine that with the fact that low ratings have an undue effect on a file's overall rating, and you see what I mean.

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 19:08 GMT


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mike White Account Info
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i relized that

Smart people don't have much commen sense, yet dumb people do unless they are really dumb like me :)

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 02:55 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
jrock7286  Account Info

Why is it called common sense when it really is not so common? The question of the ages...

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 19:19 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I wonder if intelligence and common sense are related inversely?

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 00:21 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
Justin McKinley Account Info

they might be...

Hey lets find out on a new pole

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 03:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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LOL- that would be an interesting poll. Well, I know for myself, that I have NO common sense. :)

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 17:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
jrock7286  Account Info

I think it's more of an inverse square...As intelligence goes below 1 and approaches 0, common sense increases at an extremely rapid rate....here's my guess:
common sense = 1/intelligence^2
or solving for intelligence that's:
intelligence = 1/sqrt(common sense)

Reply to this comment    17 March 2004, 23:22 GMT

Re: Re: File Rating System
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I don't think that will happen. If people like a program, they'll vote positively for it.

I, on the other hand, think the system is great, and it looks nice too. :) Great job!

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 19:06 GMT

Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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And by the way...

HAPPY PI DAY!

3/14 1:59:26 pm just passed for my time zone. I tried to record myself reciting my digits, but it didn't come out well :(

I did over 160 digits in less than 30 seconds :-D

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 19:07 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
mindstorm23 Account Info

AA! I completely forgot!

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 21:04 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
Final_Epsilon  Account Info
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noooooooo!! i'd forgotten as well!

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 21:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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You FORGOT!? *shocked*

Well, there's always next year :)

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 00:29 GMT


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Michael McElroy Account Info
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AAH! I completely didn't care!

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 22:35 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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You didn't celebrate pi day?

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 17:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
Michael McElroy Account Info
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No, and I never will.

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 18:49 GMT


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Morgan Davies  Account Info
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Thank God...I'm not the only one!

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 22:56 GMT

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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Wow, I never expected anybody from this site to say that. LOL

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 23:02 GMT


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Michael McElroy Account Info
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lol... of course not.

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 23:37 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
angelboy Account Info
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You only learned 10 digits since last year?

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 22:09 GMT

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jrock7286  Account Info

16...he had 144 which is 12^2 and I had 169 which is 13^2...unfortunately, I haven't had ANY time to memorize more digits of PI, and, have actually gone DOWN to below 100 digits! NOOOOOO!!!! I did remember to recite them at 1:59:26 Mountain time though...I kept telling my family:
Me: Seven more minutes...
Brother: Til what?
Me: Just wait and see...6 min and 37 sec!
Brother: Til what?!
Me: I told you to jsut wait.
<3 minutes later>
Me: 3 MINUTES!!!!
Brother: JUST TELL ME!!!
Me: Just wait another 2 minutes and 30 seconds...
Brother: This better not be stupid...when is it, at 2:00?
Me: No, it's at 1:59 and 26 seconds...
Brother: *gives Jake a puzzled look* Huh? Is someone coming over?
Me: Yeah, I just happen to know that one of my friends is coming over at exactly 1:59 and 26 seconds.
Brother: Oh, so thats a no...
<30 seconds until PI second>
*Jake starts to count down>
<30 seconds later>
Me: 3.1415926535...!!!
Brother: You, my friend, are a nerd...
Me: Thanks!

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 19:27 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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LOL! I did mine in my room with Sound Recorder and my cheap microphone... it didn't come out as well as last years. In fact, it's hard to tell that it's pi at all. It just sounds like a lot of fuzzy noise. Oh well. :)

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 00:44 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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It was more than that, but I just estimated it to "over 160." Though it's not really much. I would have done a lot more, had I not been so busy the two weeks before pi day (the USAMTS round 4 problems were due on pi day as well). I was going to bring a paper with 500-some digits of pi on it for my spring break trip, but I forgot it at home :'(

At our school, there was a contest, for whoever could write down 100 digits of pi, they'd get their name in a drawing for a pie. The bad thing was, everybody cheated and copied them down off the internet, so I doubt I won. :-\ I proved to her that I had mine memorized, though :)

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 00:34 GMT

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Ivan Papusha  Account Info
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Are you the only one that remembered? Come on, TICALC.ORG staff, you have to apologize, even my little webpage talks about PI day. At least put up another topic. You had one for every year you've been up (I think)!

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 00:10 GMT

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AndySoft  Account Info
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I was sleeping at both 1:59:26 AM and PM EST. Anyway, I know a lot more than the 17 from last year:

3.1415926535897932384626 43383279502884197169399

:D (That should be 45.)

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 01:42 GMT


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KermMartian Account Info
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I only remembered
3.1415926535897932346 :(

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 15:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Um... you're missing an 8.

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 00:45 GMT


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jrock7286  Account Info

I was going to mention that a while ago, but I thought he might fix it...I was wrong...

Reply to this comment    17 March 2004, 23:24 GMT


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Bill_pike Account Info

From Memory:

3.14159265358 9793238462 64338327 950288419716 939937 5105820974 9445923078164062860 899862803482 534211706 7982148086 51328

114 digits.

I recited it in every class today.

Reply to this comment    15 March 2004, 21:22 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Good job... I think you missed a digit, though (probably just a typo, since everything else is right).

9445923078164062860
94459230781640628620

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 00:51 GMT

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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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But that's cool... I only recited it to a few teachers between classes because they wanted to hear. I wonder if next year, when pi day is on a school day, if the teachers will let me recite them during class at 1:59:26. I hope so... and if not, I'll do it anyway ;-)

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 00:54 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
Bill_pike Account Info

I made a mistake in the flash cards I use to study a while back. I still make that mistake.

Reply to this comment    17 March 2004, 02:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

And if people dislike it?

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 19:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
Ayial  Account Info

that's right! if someone dislikes it it's gunna be their one vote that sends it down the toilet. and what if noone cares to rate your file? it gets the boot too because no ratings! the only way this is going to work is if we create subfolders. subfolders causes programmers who make specialty programs for a specific area of mathematics to really shine in their field. their file just doens't fall into some mass of archived files only to hope that someone will rate it and it won't get deleted. if you don't like a file you downloaded, so what! just delete it and move on.

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 04:34 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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One vote won't effect anything if it has an adequate number of votes (as all programs should).

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 17:52 GMT


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ti_is_good_++  Account Info

The point is that specialty files wouldn't have a lot of votes because not a lot of people could use the file, and some would indeed think that it was junk.

Reply to this comment    18 March 2004, 18:21 GMT

Re: Re: File Rating System
Matthew Marshall  Account Info
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So what if it is called junk? If it is a specialty program, there probably will not be many of them out there, and if I wanted it I would download it regardless of the rating.

MWM

Reply to this comment    14 March 2004, 21:08 GMT


Re: Re: File Rating System
Ayial  Account Info

that's right!!!!! i've been saying this the whole time. this is nooot the way to go! rating files will only cause good files that people thiiiink are bad but actually are not! programers who have good files but may feel intimidated will not upload! people with agendas against someone will intentionally rate low! people will get their friends to vote for their own files, which will make the statistics wrong! this is noooot going to work!!!!!!

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 04:21 GMT


Re: Re: Re: File Rating System
Ayial  Account Info

sorry for all the exclamation points, got a little carried away. i'm actually a mellow person. : )

Reply to this comment    16 March 2004, 04:40 GMT

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