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TI Announces TI-84 Plus, SE; TI-89 Titanium
Posted by Michael on 7 January 2004, 22:25 GMT

TI-84 Plus Silver EditionTI has announced two new calculators for release in the spring: the TI-84 Plus and TI-84 Plus Silver Edition. Both are fully compatible with the TI-83 Plus and TI-83 Plus Silver Edition. Both have new physical styles, an integrated USB port for computer connectivity, an internal clock, and an available kickstand.

The TI-84 Plus features 480 KB of flash memory, 24 KB of user RAM, and a 15 MHz clock speed, while the TI-84 Plus Silver Edition has 1.5 MB of flash memory, available interchangeable faceplates, and is also 15 MHz. If you haven't already guessed, the Silver Edition, like its 83+ counterpart, is silver in color.


TI-89 TitaniumFor the summer of 2004, the high-end calculator line gets a metallic lift with the TI-89 Titanium. In addition to tripling the memory to 2.7 MB of flash, it also features a built-in USB port for computer connectivity as well as the kickstand slidecase (I'm not sure if this is included or an add-on, I think it's purchased separately). All three calculators feature high-contrast LCDs and are compatible with TI's projection devices (like ViewScreen).

Update: According to this press release, the 84+ will retail at $109.99 and the 84+ SE at $129.99. It seems that these are intended 83+/83+ SE replacements. The TI-89 Titanium press release quotes a street price of $149.99.

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Way Cool!
houou249 Account Info
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I think everyone is looking forward to Christmas '04!

Reply to this comment    7 January 2004, 22:34 GMT

OMFG!
Ti-89_Coder Account Info

Wow... This simply boggles the mind; that Ti-89 Titanium looks almost as good as the (fake) V400, and much, much better than any other calc out there.

Reply to this comment    7 January 2004, 23:45 GMT

Re: OMFG!
Bill_pike Account Info

Will the new Ti-89 technology AMS be bacwards compatable. Also, have any math features been added any competent programer couldn't easly add.

Reply to this comment    7 January 2004, 23:53 GMT


Re: OMFG!
nateman145  Account Info

I think I just crapped my pants in excitement

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 00:01 GMT


Re: Re: OMFG!
W Hibdon  Account Info

Umm, why? There is no promise of a new AMS. Though I would be very excited.

-W-

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 00:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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It's still exciting!

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 01:23 GMT

Re: OMFG!
BlackThunder  Account Info
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Uh... Other than the USB link, this one's not much better than a Voyage 200. In fact, it's not better at all.

I think we should be thinking of porting Xpand to the TI-89 Titanium.

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 00:39 GMT

Well... it does make a pretty paperweight...
Ti-89_Coder Account Info

Here's what makes the new Ti-89TI 10x better than the V200...

"It's the most powerful TI graphing handheld allowed for use on the AP Calculus, AP Statistics, AP Physics, AP Chemistry, PSAT/NMSQT, SAT® I , SAT II Math IC & IIC exams."

... Unlike the V200, which is BANNED on most standardized tests.

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 01:39 GMT

Re: Well... it does make a pretty paperweight...
sancho  Account Info
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true man, I´ve got a v200 and in most of my test my teachers dont let me use it but if I get out a ti89 they dont say a word!!

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 02:52 GMT


Re: Well... it does make a pretty paperweight...
BlackThunder  Account Info
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Well, that's because the teachers are stupid, and don't ban TI-89s. I mean, in terms of math capability, I cannot think of ONE way the V200 is better than a TI-89. I mean, why whould someone ban it? Because it looks like it's the kind of calculator cheaters use?! Ugh! *goes off in TI-92/V200 not allowed in tests rant*

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 02:45 GMT


Re: Re: Well... it does make a pretty paperweight...
jrock7286  Account Info

It's because requirements for the SAT's and ACT's are that you can't have a calculator with a QWERTY keyboard. So the SAT/ACT regulations are good enough for them...

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 03:45 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Well... it does make a pretty paperweight...
BlackThunder  Account Info
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Okay, then. *goes off in how QWERTY keyboards are any different other than letting you type faster rant*

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 20:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Well... it does make a pretty paperweight...
Ryan Geris  Account Info

The reason they ban QWERTY keyboards is that they think it means its a computer.

Reply to this comment    7 July 2004, 21:30 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Well... it does make a pretty paperweight...
cainfft008  Account Info

A USB port means that u could theoretically use a Usb keyboard....which is in the "QWERTY" Format.

Reply to this comment    10 July 2004, 22:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Well... it does make a pretty paperweight...
Tacvek  Account Info

Well a calculator with a dvorak keyboard should be allowed. Right? We will petition TI for a Dvorak V200. ;)

Reply to this comment    13 January 2004, 23:31 GMT


~!@#$%^&*()_+
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

I thought the 89Ti had no USB-that was just the 84+ and 84+SE. But the equivalence does make it as good, which it hasn't been up to now. It's also usable on tests and is portable. BTW, the 89 case is better designed than the V200 case, and the QC is better in the 89 assembly division (I found a loose-actually, detached-screw in mine when it first came).

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 21:43 GMT


Re: ~!@#$%^&*()_+
W Hibdon  Account Info

I like the 92/92+ case the best in the way of gaming. It is those function keys that line the side og the case that do it for me. That is why I am glad that the 89 has come out, because I don't think the V200 would be too easy to game with; seeeing that you have to grip it unevenly.

-W-

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 00:10 GMT


Re: Re: ~!@#$%^&*()_+
davedjy Account Info

WHO GIVES A @$%#^$#$ ABOUT GAMING ON YOUR *%^&#$@ CALCULATOR ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!

Reply to this comment    10 May 2004, 02:05 GMT

Re: OMFG!
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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*still drooling*

This is really great... and everything is compatible too! *checking out TI site*

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 01:22 GMT


Re: Re: OMFG!
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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"everything is compatible too!"

Note the wise words of the famous Patrick Davidson, as spoken on #tcpa but a few minutes ago:

<PatrickD> never underestimate the ability of TI to develop unexpected compatibility issues

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 09:55 GMT

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burntfuse  Account Info

Even if it has some problems, compatibility between models is nice to have - I'm tired of not being able to run programs for my 86 on my 83+, etc.

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 21:41 GMT

Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Haha! You may have a point there... ;-)

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 00:52 GMT


Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
BullFrog  Account Info
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Found at the end of TI's graphing calculator comparison chart.

"8 TI-83, TI-83 Plus and TI-83 Plus Silver Edition books are compatible with the TI-83 Plus family and the TI-84 Plus family of handhelds."

"9 TI-89, TI-92, and TI-92 Plus books are compatible with the TI-89, TI-89 Titanium, and Voyage™ 200."

"Web Page" takes you right to the document.

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 17:40 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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That's only about textbook instruction compatibility (note how it says "books"). It just means the interface is the same, it doesn't even promise TI-BASIC compatibility.

TI also sometimes mentions "program compatibility", but that's TI-BASIC only. Assembly programs are not guaranteed at all to be compatible. And sometimes it isn't even (entirely) TI's fault they aren't.

Now, judging from the product description, I don't see any reason why TI-89 assembly programs wouldn't run on the TI-89 Titanium, but that doesn't mean there isn't one that isn't in the product description. Possible problems include hardware changes (execution protection changes, screen hardware changes etc.), AMS version changes (breaking hacks used in assembly programs, particularly in older ones) and "unexpected changes" ;-) (as Patrick Davidson says, that's TI's speciality).

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 05:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
BlackThunder  Account Info
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Well, since textbooks have an appendix of all the BASIC functions/instructions/ops and their descriptions.... yeah, I think that BASIC programs are compatible. I think it'll be just as compatible with the regular TI-89 as the V200 is compatible w/ the 92+.

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 20:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
Harry Wheildon  Account Info

Where is the comparison chart?

Reply to this comment    10 May 2004, 18:41 GMT


Re: OMFG!
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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I don't mean to troll, but I would suggest that the HP-49G+ is the best calculator out there. It has a CAS, has a ton of memory, supports RPN, has a slot for Sandisk memory cards (!), and it's pretty pretty nice nice. Of course, there are hardly any games for it, and I'd prefer my 89 any day, but as a calculator, the 49G+ is better.

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 09:01 GMT

Re: Re: OMFG!
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Oh yes, and the 75MHz processor. I think that with the Sandisk slot and the fast processor, one could make a Linux distro. If only I could get a huge amount of money to buy all these calculators... I need to win the lottery or something.

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 09:28 GMT


Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
generationxyu  Account Info

With 2.7 MB of flash, the TI-89 Titanium looks like it could easily run Linux. There are distros that fit onto a floppy and run on hardware *much* less capable than the original 89, even HW1.

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 23:56 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
Cullen Logan  Account Info
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Just because a linux distro will fit on a floppy when it is written in x86 does not mean that it will be the some size when cross-compiled for Motorola processor. But you might be able to fit it. Just don't think that the size on a floppy means that it will.

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 00:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
generationxyu  Account Info

Well, i had in mind uClinux, which was designed for the Motorola Dragonball... essentially the M68000 with a serial I/O controller. So I/O stuff would have to be mangled in order to work.

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 00:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
Neil Hodges  Account Info
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Do you mean the Dragonball that's in the Sony Clie SJ-22? Cool! I'm already dual-booting with WinXP and Red Hat Linux 8, and could always try another distro.

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 08:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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ucLinux is for CPUs without an MMU. If your CPU runs Windows XP and Red Hat Linux, it DOES have an MMU, so ucLinux is not the right thing for you.

And besides, I think you are confusing something, because Dragonball CPUs are Motorola 68xxx family CPUs. Neither Windows XP nor Red Hat Linux support them.

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 05:49 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
BullFrog  Account Info
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With an SD card, the 49g+ could easily have 256 MB of memory. Including the 75 MHz processor, imagine what could be done with that.

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 17:31 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
BullFrog  Account Info
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And the HP 49g+ IS a nice calculator. I have one. :-)

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 17:35 GMT


~!@#$%^&*()_+
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

If the OS was written by competent people, then yes.

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 00:49 GMT

Re: ~!@#$%^&*()_+
BlackThunder  Account Info
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You know, the TIOS isn't exactly written by competent people, either, if you put it that way....

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 20:50 GMT


Re: ~!@#$%^&*()_+
Matt Mullins  Account Info

The HP's operating system <b>WAS</b> written by competent people. You can't say the same for the TI's.

-MrM

Reply to this comment    11 January 2004, 22:46 GMT


Re: Re: ~!@#$%^&*()_+
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

I've used the HP-49G and I hated it not because of the hardware but because the OS was so sloppy that it couldn't take advantage of a 75 MHZ proc etc.

Reply to this comment    13 January 2004, 03:18 GMT


Re: Re: Re: ~!@#$%^&*()_+
Joesph17  Account Info
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the 49g didn't have a 75mhz CPU - it had a 4 MHz saturn

Reply to this comment    14 January 2004, 00:01 GMT


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burntfuse  Account Info

You mean a Saturn DSP?????

Reply to this comment    14 January 2004, 22:58 GMT

Re: Re: OMFG!
KermMartian Account Info
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Don't forget the built-in USB port and touchscreen!

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 15:51 GMT

Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
S67  Account Info
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The only calculator that I have with a touch screen is the Sharp EL-9600. it is a piece of junk, though.

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 17:07 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
KermMartian Account Info
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The CalcPAD has a touchscreen, though - see
calcpad.org

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 21:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
nicklaszlo Account Info
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I don't think that site exists at the moment.

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 22:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
bordoni nils  Account Info
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Casio has recently released its Classpad 300 with touchscreen, thus no keyboard. I wonder how you can program with a virtual keyboard.... but it's a casio...

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 21:30 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
BlackThunder  Account Info
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ClassPad 300 was released a LONG time ago, I saw that comparison about a year ago. And it DOES have a simple keyboard, with 0~9, ops, and an on/off button, but not much else.

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 20:52 GMT


Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
cainfft008  Account Info

Think about it...a USB port...hmmm...A USB Keyboard...cool...I dont know about the touchscreen though.

Reply to this comment    10 July 2004, 22:41 GMT


Re: Re: OMFG!
Bill_pike Account Info

The HP-49g+ is _T_H_E_ most powerful calculator for professionals and higher level students. The CAS has an implementation of the RISCH algorithm, which much more powerful than the Derive based, table look up system in the TI-89. Also, will the TI-89 calculate 999^999 exactly. Finally, The HP-49g+ has near infinite memory with the built in SD card slot.

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 21:10 GMT

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burntfuse  Account Info

That thing's almost a PDA-why's everyone getting so excited about the TI-89 titanium when they could get one of these?

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 21:42 GMT

Re: ¤
W Hibdon  Account Info

Because the 89 is the most powerful of the TI & calcs with games. The HP49g+ does not have that many. Not many at all.

-W-

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 00:14 GMT


Re: Re: ¤
BullFrog  Account Info
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Just because there aren't a lot of games for it doesn't mean it's a bad calculator. There aren't many high school students that go buy one just to make games.

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 17:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: ¤
Joey Gannon  Account Info
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Right... that was my point. The 49G+ is a much better calculator math-wise, but I'd prefer my 89 any day because I care about the games.

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 00:13 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: ¤
jrock7286  Account Info

My reason for wanting the 89Ti is that I like to PROGRAM. Although RPN programming on my HP-49g (not +) has really brought me into a new light (that sounded cheesy).

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 03:50 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ¤
Bill_pike Account Info

You can use a basic like langague on the $( in algerbraic mode. Regardless of the mode, the 49 tokenizes all programs and run around the any TI (including the silver edition) with their speed.

Reply to this comment    11 January 2004, 14:47 GMT


programming
Toobasic  Account Info

The whole reason i got my 83+ was to basic program. Now I want the 84+ because im flush out of memmory, and some new commands would be cool. I dont have a clue how to program in ASM.

Reply to this comment    11 January 2004, 22:40 GMT


Re: programming
Toobasic  Account Info

*84+ Silver edition*

Reply to this comment    11 January 2004, 22:51 GMT


Re: ?
generationxyu  Account Info

As stated before, you'll never make a better joke than trying to use a PDA on the SAT.

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 00:31 GMT


Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Now, I know this may sound really stupid...

But who would ever want to calculate 999^999 exactly? I mean... it shows the calculator is powerful and all... but other than that...

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 01:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: OMFG!
Michael O'Brien  Account Info
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If someone wanted to see how well networked 89's would simulate supercomputers, then I think it would be very useful. Even moderate engineering calculations can produce vaules similarly large vaules that compare in magnitude to 999^999. Theoretically of course.

Reply to this comment    10 January 2004, 05:06 GMT


WOW!!!!!!!!!
KermMartian Account Info
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OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!
This is so incredibly super duper absolutely incredibly totally COOL!
*takes deep breath*
I... must... get.... one... of... these!
Featur-wise, both are so superior to all current 83-line calcs. So the rumors were true, after all!

Reply to this comment    8 January 2004, 13:32 GMT

Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!
molybdenum  Account Info

BASIC OSes will finally be practical!!! sorry, just I have no need for a launcher for non ASM apps, but then again I have no initiative to make anything useful.

Reply to this comment    9 January 2004, 06:49 GMT


Re: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!
Memwaster  Account Info

What's a "Basic OS".

Tell me

Here I am spending ages trying to replace the OS on the TI83+, spending heaps of time in ZDS, when I find out that you can program an OS in BASIC......

Reply to this comment    12 January 2004, 11:28 GMT


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burntfuse  Account Info

I think he meant BASIC shells....not a whole OS, just a prog that allows you to select other programs from a list and run them.

Oh no!!! More junky BASIC shells in the archives!!!

Reply to this comment    12 January 2004, 22:51 GMT

~!@#$%^&*()_+
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

It is entirely possible to make a BASIC shell (even just a file explorer) that beats even Einstein.

Reply to this comment    13 January 2004, 03:20 GMT


Re: ¤
Memwaster  Account Info

>>just a prog that allows you to select other programs >>from a list and run them.

Try hitting "prgm". WHen you fing the prog you want to run, press ENTER twice.

y make the process slower

Reply to this comment    16 January 2004, 05:53 GMT


~!@#$%^&*()_+
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

On AMS, you select from the VAR-LINK screen, as there is no PRGM button. Einstein, for instance is a graphical file explorer that sorts by file type, which has the disadvantages of not allowing arguments, having 2nd as the confirmation key, being available only in French, not having a way to associate files with executables, and not having file management utilities (which is what an OS is for).

Reply to this comment    16 January 2004, 23:56 GMT


Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!
Rob van Wijk  Account Info

Feature-wise, the difference between an 83+ and an 83+SE is a lot larger than the difference between 83+(SE) and 84+(SE).
I mean, what would make them that superior, the USB port? I'll believe that when people who actually used the new calcs say it's faster.
The clock then? No, not really, that's what a watch is for after all. I already think it rather silly when people look at their cell phone to check the time, imagine what people will think when you grap your calc because you want to now what time it is.
Ofcourse, if you wanna buy one, go right ahead, I'm just curious *why* you want one.

Reply to this comment    11 January 2004, 13:43 GMT

Re: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!
Andree Chea  Account Info

Firstly, the 84 Series looks cooler than the 83+ Series. And with the new feature, internal clock, will allow you to do wonders.
-Organizers and Calender APPS can display the daily schedules
-Timers will be more accurate
Although a PDA does this, what if you are a high school freshman and you don't have the money to buy a PDA? ;)

By the way, how much do these new calculators cost? Anyone know?

Reply to this comment    12 January 2004, 19:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!
pkzapped2  Account Info

They should cost the same as the 83+ series do now. At least, that is what I had read onthe news realease.

Reply to this comment    17 January 2004, 17:50 GMT


~!@#$%^&*()_+
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

For one, I look at my V200 to see what time it is.

Reply to this comment    13 January 2004, 03:21 GMT

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