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New York Times Article
Posted by Andy on 2 September 1999, 21:20 GMT

The New York Times ran an article today about the effects of graphing calculators on education. The reporter contacted staff member Kirk Meyer a few months back about his take on the issue, which was not directly voiced in the article. However, several top quality programs that he pointed out are listed as well as a reference to our site. The article is available to be read online.

 


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Re: New York Times Article
ajorians  Account Info

Ticalc.org seems to be in more and more newspapers.

     2 September 1999, 21:55 GMT

Re: New York Times Article
ajorians  Account Info

I think there are a lot more games than mentioned, Right? I didn't know "kids" craked the assembly code on the calculators. Where was I? When was this?

     2 September 1999, 22:02 GMT


Re: Re: New York Times Article
Kirk Meyer  Account Info
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There are a lot more. However these are the ones that she was particularly interested, high quality games from other platforms.

Dan Eble first hacked the TI-85 when he was a "kid" I guess you would say which got the whole assembly thing going. I'm sure he'll be able to tell you about it :)

     2 September 1999, 22:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
David Phillips  Account Info
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Actually, David Boozer was the first one to hack the TI-85 to execute assembly language. I believe that Dan Eble read his paper and was the first one to write a shell to run assembly language programs.

The file is in the ticalc.org archives in the text directory. Quite interesting to read, and should make any assembly programmer appreciate the abundance of information that is available to him/her.

     5 September 1999, 05:06 GMT

Re: New York Times Article
ComputerWiz  Account Info
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I dont think the kids who are making toes sat programs are gonna make any money what do you guys think?

     2 September 1999, 23:17 GMT

Re: Re: New York Times Article
dleet  Account Info
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Not a chance- theyre only taking advantage of others' insecurity/inexperience. Go to the site above (their "free trial program"), and you can see it is nothing more than a doped-down version of TI's own equation solver. Go figure.

     4 September 1999, 02:34 GMT


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sinfoid  Account Info

I think that it is rediculous how all of these people at ticalc and other places put a lot of time and effort into making all these great programs and this great site for free, but then two spoiled brats from a private school in NJ whip up a couple of math programs and put a 35 dollar price tag on them and all of a sudden its news

     8 September 1999, 00:48 GMT


Re: Re: New York Times Article
DWedit  Account Info
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Hays: here's your chance... Steal the SAT programs and sell them with doorways 2k.

     5 September 1999, 17:00 GMT

Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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<joke>
Stop provoking them :)
</joke>

--BlueCalx

     5 September 1999, 17:30 GMT


Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
ComputerWiz  Account Info
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LMAO i think thats a good idea hays why dont you do the TI community some good this time

     5 September 1999, 22:39 GMT

Re: New York Times Article
ToddEStan  Account Info


Did I read that right? $35 for a set of programs for the 83 that help on the SAT? I wonder what's so great there that isn't available free here? No wonder he hasn't had many takers.

Todd

     2 September 1999, 23:48 GMT

Re: Re: New York Times Article
Sam Heald  Account Info
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Look at their original statement:

The brothers are charging $35 for the programs and guarantee that a student's score will rise by 160 points or more.

Now:

The brothers charge only $25 dollars for "their" programs. Their guarantee has also dropped 70 points (now at 90).

Now look at their fine print:
Score Raising Programs Incorporated does not warrant the accuracy, or completeness of the information, text, links, and other items contained on this server or any other server.

*This guarantee ensures that if your score is below a 600, and does not raise 90 points, SRP will give you tutorial lessons on how to use the programs better at no cost.


Great, so in the event that "their" junk doesn't work, they'll give you a free lesson just in time to receive a letter from college saying "Sorry, we can not accept you." Credibility? I think not. Did they actually write the programs or did they pirate them? Who knows, but I am definitely not paying $25 to find out.

     3 September 1999, 00:20 GMT

Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Elias Cotton  Account Info

well there goes my idea just to give them a hard time i was going to do it then immediately ask for my money back cause they cant raise my math score one point...hehe

     3 September 1999, 05:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Tony  Account Info

And you know something else that is really pathetic? They added themselves to ticalc.org's "links" list of other ti sites! Any ticalc member reading this, i'd suggest you delete them ASAP.

     5 September 1999, 03:59 GMT

Re: Re: New York Times Article
Kirk Meyer  Account Info
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Yeah I'd have to agree. But you'd be surprised how many people will pay money to up their SAT scores. Consider the bunches of test-prep books and software already sold.

I think the point in the article was to illustrate that such things do exist, and I think that some of them could definitely help your math score in certain cases. Of course, I could also write them myself if I had to.

     3 September 1999, 00:23 GMT


Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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For a lot of people, test-prep materials work very well. I know a lot of people (me included) whose SAT scores were raised by taking practice tests and such to know the material better. Oh well, I don't care now as it's over with and I'll never have to deal with filling in the little mind-numbing bubbles again.
::breathes a sigh of relief::

--BlueCalx

     3 September 1999, 03:38 GMT

Re: Re: New York Times Article
C Bauer  Account Info
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grghaaaaaaa!!!!...you can't charge for Ti calc programs!...it goes against the unwritten rules of assembly and basic programming...these are just calculators!!! You make a program for others to use and get the satisfaction of know you program is on "millions" of calcs across the world...when you charge for something that takes up less room than solitaire...thats just dumb. Especially if its an SAT program that "garauntees" improvement...give me a break...gees.

     4 September 1999, 07:42 GMT

Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
jeepfuncj7 Account Info

I have to agree. I was going to email those two and tell them how pathetic they really are. I still may. I wrote several programs in high school to help with certain classes and AP tests. My AP Physics and AP Calculus programs are here on this site. I distributed these programs free of charge to anybody that wanted them, not just my friends or people in my AP classes, but anyone who asked me. I was even offered money for my work by several students after they took the tests and found how much my programs helped them with the equations. I never took any. These programs helped me too, and that's the reason I wrote them, not for money. Although, if a friend wants a program written and they ask me to do it, I do it for free even if I can't use it for anything.
Oh yeah, btw, I didn't practice at all for my SAT tests. I took it in 10th and 11th grades and my math score went up 40 points. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe cause I learned more in an extra year of math? I used a scientific both times too because my classmates bugged me for days before the test about how I was going to cheat by using a program to get all the answers.
And a guarantee that your scores will increase because of their program? They should be in the Enquirer, not the Times.

     5 September 1999, 05:23 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Jim Patterson  Account Info

I couldn't agree more. I think they are nuts for trying to sell crap. I also write my own basic math & science programs and in the process of publishing them on this site, for FREE. (What a concept).

     8 September 1999, 01:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Nicholas Skapura  Account Info
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I agree, I have written numerous programs for my Ti-85 for all of my math and science classes. I have distributed all my programs to fellow students as well as on the internet and have never charged money for them. I have even written around 5 or 6 games for people and I never play games. I still didn't charge money for them. I did it because I like to write software and for the satisfaction of knowing my programs are being used by tons of people.

     8 September 1999, 16:39 GMT


Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Stuart Bergstrom  Account Info

Actually, I believe it is actually in violation of _written_ rules of programming . . . doesn't TI prohibit charging for programs?

     5 September 1999, 07:03 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Elias Cotton  Account Info

can they(ti) do that i mean they are just charging for services rendered right? i mean i wouldnt want to be ti's lawyer in this case even though id love to see these kids fall...should crack the site and send free progs to all who are go there and subscribe to them.. hehe

     5 September 1999, 07:24 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Kirk Meyer  Account Info
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Umm... I don't recall that. However it is generally understood in the TI community that you don't charge for games simply because people don't want to pay for them. Some people tried with TI-85's especially to charge like $1 per program. They made a bit of money, but nothing great. Now with this program... I hate to say it, but there are people willing to pay for it... they have obviously sold at least a few, enough to register a domain...

     6 September 1999, 00:20 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

That means there's two suckers out there; if my memory serves me right, it costs $50 to register a domain. Something like that.

--BlueCalx

     7 September 1999, 01:36 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: New York Times Article
Olathe  Account Info
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No, TI does not prohibit charging for programs.

     17 September 1999, 00:55 GMT


Re: Re: New York Times Article
tom me

That is truly hilarious. What can you expect from a couple aolamers. Anybody could probably punch in the basic code in a class period. Their site looks like shit too.

     5 September 1999, 22:25 GMT

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