Session Start: Tue Jun 10 15:32:43 1997
* Logging #usgard to: [#usgard.log]
<EDiSON> sorry
<Diem> we should use the atomic clock
<Tybstar> heh
<EDiSON> dont you have to be an op to set that though
<Diem> EDiSON: it was a mock mode change anyway
<Diem> I just mocked a real one
* EDiSON knows
* Diem sets mode +b EDiSON!*@*.*
<Diem> die
<Diem> :)
<EDiSON> im dead
<_Will_> I think Andreas will show up in about 15 min himself to talk to us beta 
testers and people who worked dirrectly programming the OS, and other prgms for 
it. At that point for 15 min this channel might be made invite only, not sure at 
the moment
<Diem> ok
<EDiSON> then everyone has to leave, correct?
<Tybstar> heheh
<Irrumator> yes
<Diem> kick us, i don't care: as long as we get USGARD at 4 PM
*** Irrumator changes topic to "Usgard will be released in 25 minutes and ANDREAS 
WILL BE HERE TODAY!!!! = )"
<Diem> go og ggogoog
<_Will_> you'll get it don't worry. he's been working the on the internet VERY 
recently, trust me. My screen shot from my new version has already been put up 
:)
<Diem> what's his email address, will?
<Diem> I want to finger him
<Diem> will?
<EDiSON> what exactly does fingering do?
<Diem> what's ess' email address?
<_Will_> you can't I don't think
<Diem> It let's me see if he's on
<_Will_> It ain't unix 
<_Will_> ...
<Irrumator> he ain't on until he has to be.
<Diem> it worked on an NT box
<Irrumator> it's like 5 bucks per minute
<Diem> i did it on InTeL
<Diem> will: what's your address?
<Diem> wstokes@?
<_Will_> my address? wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu
<Diem> ok
<_Will_> I'm fingering him right now but I don't think it'll work
<Diem> bingo
<Diem> If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding this machine, 
<Diem> please send e-mail to:  dashelp@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu or call 
<Diem> 312-702-0135.  
<Diem> Login       Name               TTY         Idle    When    Where
<Diem> wstokes  William Stokes       *pts/11           Tue 13:37  
SLIP4B-06.DIALIN.UIC
<Diem> -
<_Will_> nope it don't work. he aint on unix
<Diem> finger me
<Diem> steven@enter.net
<_Will_> hehe
<Diem> hmm
<_Will_> didn't work for you either
<Diem> not working
<Diem> oh well
<_Will_> he is on a differnt type of server not equivalent to unix....
<Diem> I know
<Diem> like NT
<_Will_> like a aol setup
<_Will_> yes
<Diem> eww
<Irrumator> aol?
<_Will_> just an example, he AIN"T on aol, especially in Austria
<_Will_> hehe
<EDiSON> 20 minutes
<Irrumator> I can't even program a vcr and I'm on aol
*** Irrumator changes topic to "Usgard will be released in 20 minutes and ANDREAS 
WILL BE HERE TODAY!!!! = )"
<_Will_> acutlaly he could be on AOL, Austria On Line
<_Will_> hehe
<Ima> LOL
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<Irrumator> what will be Andi's nick?
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<EDiSON> probalby Andi
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<EDiSON> who is usgard
<Skidd077> Andi's nick is usually Mr.Ess
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<Mr_Kelley> here's the man
<Flumpelr> Hi guys
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<Scooby1> hmm
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<Scooby1> hopefully he comes today?
<Flumpelr> Waiting for Usgard?
<Scooby1> it looks good!
<Irrumator> hey Andi
<Scooby1> i am a little confused though, what happened to link play in tetris? :-(
<Flumpelr> Hello, this is Andreas
<Flumpelr> Just a little stupid name...
<Scooby1> andi?
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<Scooby1> ok...
<Scooby1> i see...
<Irrumator> no I opped a random person
<Ima> I saw u on here earlier
<Phalynx> there is link play in tetris
<Andi> Right.
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<Tom> i gotz my real name now
<Andi> I'm here, guys!!!
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<Andi> Gugug. How are you?
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*** usgard sets mode: +o MelTsai 
<Allah> andi: is that really you?
<Irrumator> excellent
<Andi> Yes, Andreas.
<Allah> cool
<MelTsai> hey andi
<Allah> this is bryan rabeler
<Tom> will, home much faster is megarcrs?
<_Will_> hey Andres, did you get my new e-mail
<Andi> Irrumator: how are you
<_Will_> how much? ask Andreas.... :)
<helmasur> figure the pattern //////\/////////////\///////////////////\/////////////
//////////////////\////////////////////////////////////////////////\
<Andi> So.
<Irrumator> very good
<Andi> I'll start transfering the libraries
<MelTsai> Much faster probably
<Diem> Andi!! We LOVE YOU!
<Diem> :)
<Tom> yeah that's andi, i just pinged and whoised him
<Ima> start with the actual zip please :)
<Andi> Yes, the coder of Usgard 'do bin i, guyz'!
* Diem cerimoniously clears his calc's mem
<Tom> it identifies him as! : ess.andrea@rasm02.feldkirch.computerhaus.at
* Ima saw Andi in here in the morning
<MelTsai> gestern haben wir auf deutsch ein bisschen sprechen :)
<Andi> Thanks.
<_Will_> hey Andreas, are we going to make this invite only just before we release 
it at 3:00?
<Tom> only problem with me is because my grahp link is on com3 and uses same port 
address as 1, i have to sign off net to get things on!
<Irrumator> uhh that's 4:00.
* Diem doesn't have to sign off to put stuff on
<Irrumator> ;)
<Andi> He, guys - did take a look at Usgard.html
<_Will_> i'm in chicago, 3:00 here :)
<Andi> Hallo Mel, entschuldigung dass ich gestern nicht konnte
<Diem> Chicago's cool
<Tom> i looked at it, thoroughly
<_Will_> Andreas, you didn't update the programmers guide :(
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<Diem> ESS is god
<MelTsai> ja es war schade, aber machts nichts :)
<Allah> no
<Tom> du nichst spreche deutsch in diese chatroom!
<Andi> I updated the programmers guide a little little bit
<Irrumator> where's corndog
* Allah is god :)
<Andi> How do I make a log
<Tom> darnet!
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<Tom> i may take german but i don't like it
<Diem> no way allah :)
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<Tom> make a log?!?
<Andi> Uh. There are VERY much people
<Allah> loggin ON
<Allah> logging on
<Tom> this is not a lot of people believe it or not
* Irrumator knows only latin and english
<Cubic> hm
<Irrumator> we had more yesterday
<Tom> anyone have kali? been on stl1 at 11:00 est? at least 40-60 people
<arantius> yeah, there aren't too many.  let's see how many there are in 15 mins
<Diem> Andi: does USGARD multitask?
<Tom> probably more
* helmasur knows ways to curse in french(he knows other stuff
<Diem> it looks like it does
<helmasur> too)
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<Tom> multitasking? you guys ask too much...
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<Diem> seriously
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<Andi> USGARD doesn't multitask :-(
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<Allah> andi: i belive yuor HTML code for the library section is bad
<Haydn> It's a Z80...
<Diem> okay - wouldn't hurt to ask Andi... hhe
<Allah> it has displib at the top of the table
<Andi> But it supports TSR - multiple TSRs.
<Haydn> Why do you want it to multitask..
<Allah> andi: i belive yuor HTML code for the library section is bad
<Tom> andi, games come in zip file?
<Phalynx> how can usgard multitask...it is 8 bit processor
<Andi> I didn't transfer all the stuff... yet
<Allah> the HTML itself is bad
<Tom> brett is a an aoler...
<Allah> i know zips are missing
<Synth> wow..more people in here than in #calc-ti :)
<Andi> Now - I gonna start upload the ZIPs
<Irrumator> I'm gonna do 32 bit multitasking on an 8 bit processor
<Allah> hm...
<MelTsai> processor type is irrelevant to multitasking
<Tom> cool
<Tom> andi, as in usgard.zip!?
<Irrumator> damn knowitall. ;)
<Allah> hehe
<_Will_> andreas, don't upload the new version of Mega Racers YET!!!!!!
<Andi> Usgard.ZIP is being uploaded NOW - it's 160K
<Diem> where's yarin
<Tom> why not will?!?
<Allah> hm....
<Allah> okay
<Allah> great
<NghtStrdr> Someone should make a 3D library.
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<Andi> Will:Huh which new one?
<Irrumator> And Allah is off.
<helmasur> uploaded to where?
<Allah> allah is off? :)
<Tybstar> re
<_Will_> I have a new versions that fixes a few bugs that really suck
<Tybstar> doh
<Irrumator> must get it onto ticalc.org first
<MelTsai> Andi you need to finish that text-display library
<Tybstar> i missed it
<Tom> will?!? why bloody not?!?
<Diem> yes!
<_Will_> u1.2
<Andi> 3D librar?
<Tom> i see...
<_Will_> should I dcc it to you Andi?
<Andi> Mel: TXTVIEW? What's wrong with it
<NghtStrdr> Yes.
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<Andi> Yes, Will, please
<Tom> i like the custom menu thing...
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<Daed> ANDI!!!!!!!!!!!
<_Will_> sure two sec
<Daed> Hey, what's up!!!
<MelTsai> no I mean the library that displays numbers on screen, better than 
UNPACK_HL
<NghtStrdr> A 3D library would be helpful for a new game I am working on.
<Irrumator> hey daed
<Andi> Sam, would you rename yourself to Sam
<_Will_> and i have news about supernova for you Andi :) good news for you :0
<_Will_> brb
<Andi> Oops
<Diem> When's USGARD gonna be uploaded?
<Diem> eh, andi?
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<Tom> he is doing it now he said...
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<Diem> oic
<aardvark> Wow it's full!
<Allah> the server is going slower than hell
<Diem> hey San Davies
* Tom slaps Irrumator around a bit with a large trout
<Irrumator> why?
<Tom> this is full?
<Andi> I'm uploading USGARD right now.
<Diem> is there gonna be a Daedalus for USGARD?>
<Tom> just trying it out man
<Tom> ...
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<SamD> I can only stay for a while -- I've got a piano lesson..
<Tom> daedulus might speed up i summise...
<Ima> need a highdspeed ImaTowns mirror? :)
<Tybstar> Ima:  are you giving away pages now?
<Allah> imatowns mirror?
<Ima> Nope, Tyb
<Andi> Piano lesson, Sam?
<JaunBob> is usgard out yet
<Tom> i downloading it!
<Tybstar> oh
<aardvark> Where?
<Andi> Ui...
<Allah> is there a mirror andi?
<aardvark> Where?
<aardvark> Where?
<aardvark> Where?
<arantius> you better not download it till it's all there!!!
<JackTrade> can we get usgard yet??
<Allah> hehehe :)_
<Tom> it incomplete...
<Tom> damn
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<Tybstar> hehe
<Allah> lol
<Tom> he still uploading aren't you andi?
<SamD> Yes, Andi
<Diem> amazing size of the shells
<Andi> Sam, what's with DEBUG?
<aardvark> How big is it?
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<Diem> nobody download 'til 4 EST
<Tom> debug?
<Diem> it should give andi enough time
<aardvark> (Usgard)
<Tom> i see.
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<Tom> i guess i can wait..
<JackTrade> where do we download it??
<arantius> yes, wait till four.  only 7 min's
<arantius> the link is: http://andi.ganymed.org/bin/usg/usgard.zip
<Phalynx> NOOOOOOO!
<MelTsai> 5 minutes :)
<Phalynx> my calc ran out of batteries!
<SamD> I'm Really sorry, Andi
<arantius> now only 5.5 mins
<Tom> andi done?!?
<SamD> I was studying for exams
<RyanK> haha
<SamD> I'll write the loader, etc. Tonight
<Phalynx> i have no more...damn
<aardvark> 3 hours 4 mins. :-)
<Diem> We all love andi
<Tybstar> heheh
<Andi> What 5 minutes guys.
<Andi> Sam, doesn't matter.
<SamD> It still won't have everything, but it'll still be useful
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<Tom> but is first download done?!?
<MelTsai> andi when will you start studying for the Abi?
<Andi> Usgard.ZIP should be up NOW!
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<arantius> downloading now then!
<Andi> For the Abi? Two years left, Mel
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<MelTsai> ahh
<Allah> okay
<MelTsai> didn't know that :)
<RyanK> This place is jumping
<Tom> is downloading it...
<Tybstar> i'll say
<Tom> andi, are the games in there? the zip?
<Allah> it says 162K
<Tybstar> more ppl than #calc-ti :)
<BrettCGI> quick question: do the pictures (on andi's page) lead to the file or a 
copy of the picture?
<JackTrade> where do we download it??
<Diem> andi.ganymed.org/usgard.html
<Allah> http://andi.ganymed.org/usgard.html
<Tom> http://andi.ganymed.org/
<arantius> http://andi.ganymed.org/bin/usg/usgard.zip
<Tom> http://andi.ganymed.org/usgard.html
<Allah> it will be on ticalc.org in 120 seconds :)
<RyanK> http://tifiles.com
<Allah> tifiles suck
<helmasur> ready yet?
<arantius> yes
<SamD> Oops... I just noticed that the "D" in SD is cut off in CustCust :)
<helmasur> duh
<RyanK> heh
<Allah> andi: is there a mirror of your server?
<SamD> I'll come out with v1.1, and It'll have a function to fill in all the string 
files in order onto the custom menu...
* Tom is going to try it out! brb!
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<SamD> Sound good?
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<Andi> Right, SAM, but it doesn't matter.
<RyanK> I might as well d/l it.
<Allah> is there a mirror of th e URL above?
<RyanK> brb.
<Andi> Yes, Sam.
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<Andi> Oh god.
<SamD> how long will this go on?
<helmasur> damn only 1.0k/sec.
<homer> hey mel..how is the new version of the expander driver going??
<MelTsai> homer:  it's almost done!
<MelTsai> I think I'll finish it tonight
<Diem> Andi: does the luxury shell provide file management?
<homer> that is great!!!!
<Andi> Is everything on GANYMED?
<MelTsai> do you have an expander homer?
<JaunBob> could you dcc it to me 
<NghtStrdr> I heard that you were working on an improved IR link...
* Diem is leeching
<Andi> Luxury shell? File managment? There are three folders - predefined
<MelTsai> NghtStrdr:  me?
<JaunBob> it doesn't seem to be downloading, cause your page has a major lag
<Diem> andi: is that the same as the explorer shell?
<arantius> new expander software, yes!!
<MelTsai> after the expander driver I'll start the Usgard expander library, and then 
after that I'll finish up the RF wireless calculator link
* Diem is closer east, and downloaded everything in a min or so
<Andi> Explorer shell is again sth. different.
<Andi> Has anybody downloaded Usgard so far?
<Diem> I did
<Diem> I am linking RIGHT now
<ldspartan> I'm almost done
<SamD> Oh, Andi -- did you fix Explore to show itself?
<helmasur> i'll dcc it if someone wants
<BrettCGI> yea
<SamD> (so you can set it as a shell?)
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<Allah> its going slower than ....
<Tybstar> heh
<JaunBob> to me please
<JaunBob> dcc to me
<helmasur> how wants it by dcc
<Andi> Yes, I think I fixed Explore.
<ldspartan> [helmasur] I tried Supernova Beta, it crashed allot
<Tybstar> Andi:  is your page on your own macbine?
<Andi> Does the ZIP work?!?
<MelTsai> Andi: is the version you uploaded the same as you posted to the beta 
testers today?
<JaunBob> could you dcc it to me
<ldspartan> don't think so
<Diem> Andi: CustCust is not downloading!
<Allah> andi: what is your emaiL?
<Allah> andi: what is your emaiL?
<_Will_> hey everybody, the Mega Racers in the zip is already outdated
<helmasur> anyone else want it by dcc
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<RyanK> nutz
<Allah> shit
<RyanK> dcc me
<Allah> i need usgard.zip now
<MelTsai> allah:  ess.andreas@computerhaus.at
<Allah> thanks mel
<Andi> Yes, it's same, Mel?
<Andi> My page is NOT on my machine, it's on my friends
<Andi> My e-mail is ess.andreas@computerhaus.at
<Andi> Ohoh...
<Diem> Andi
<Diem> is everything on the page in usgard.zip?
<MelTsai> If it's the same thing I can DCC the file to people
<arantius> mel: DCC it to me, and I'll put it up on another page, lessen the 
load...
<helmasur> I dcc to whoever wants
<Andi> No mel, it's only nearly the same - i modified USGARD.H
<SamD> what, Andi?
<RyanK> where's corndog
<arantius> I can't even get the whole thing from andi's page
<MelTsai> ahh
<Andi> Where's Yarin?
<MelTsai> so I don't have the latest then...
<SamD> The docs aren't all filled in
<_Will_> dunno
<Andi> What Sam? On the page - I'm having problems with FTP right now.
<MelTsai> so much to do, so little time :)
<Skidd077> Andi: Yarin has diareha
<arantius> helmasur:dcc it to me please
<Tybstar> i'm getting a good transfer rate..in a little bit i'll be able to dcc
<Tybstar> ok then..maybe not
<RyanK> good question
<arantius> thanks!!
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<Tybstar> n/m
<SamD> Oh, ok
<Andi> What does Yarin?
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<_Will_> Andi, how do you want to distribute the new version of Mega Racers?
<helmasur> NE1 else want it via dcc
<ldspartan> I'll take it.
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<MelTsai> there we go :)
<Yarin> hey ppl
<arantius> hi yarin!!!
<Tybstar> hi yarin
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<Andi> hI jIMMY
<Phalynx> geez...pj is fast!
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<arantius> how's work on sqrxz?
<_Will_> perfect timing :)
<Dan1son> hi
<Yarin> a few minutes late :(
<Andi> Yarin, what's a 'Regenerkemibüro'?
<arantius> 85 or 92 version
<EDiSON> i would
<RyanK> hey Yarin
<SamD> yarin!!
<_Will_> wait to you try out Mega Racers Phalynx
<Yarin> andi: what!?
<ldspartan> [helmasur] never mind
<JaunBob> thanks helmasur
<Phalynx> ok
<Phalynx> cool
<Yarin> aran: i haven't worked on any version for some time
<SamD> I'll be back I gotta go play piano :)
<Andi> Forget it, Yarin. How's Sqrxz 0.5?
<Dan1son> woohoo it's out!
<Tybstar> bye
<SamD> see ya
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<helmasur> If I ever get arount to writing an asm game I won't convert it 2 8 diff 
shells!
<Phalynx> so many options...i dont know what to put on and take off
<Dan1son> hi andi
<RyanK> bye will
<arantius> yarin:that's too bad, thats an AWESOME game
<Skidd077> ANDI: is it true a version of USGARD is coming out for the TI-92?????
<Andi> Have fun, Sam
<Phalynx> only so much memory you know
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<JackTrade> WOW!
<Andi> Ui. (once again)
<aardvark> How much memory does usgard use on the ti85?
<Andi> USGARD for the 92?
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<Yarin> There will be a new sqrxz version for Usgard in the middle of june. Less 
than a week in other words
<RyanK> netsplit
<helmasur> NE1 want me to dcc them us?
<EDiSON> too many people trying to get it, the system is getting clogged
<Andi> At the time, Usgard needs 2.4K, but soon 2.1K
<aardvark> How much memory does usgard use on the ti85? (minimum)
<_Will_> ;)
<aardvark> cool.
<EDiSON> nice!
<arantius> awesome!  new sqrxz!
<Diem> why is this a beta what I put on there?
<Skidd077> so ti's true!!!
<Andi> Oh cool Yarin.
<RyanK> 2.8k at the moment
<Diem> Yarin rocks
<JackTrade> great job, andi
<EDiSON> <Andi> Does the zip have all the files on your page?
<MelTsai> there's no plans for TI-92 Usgard....
<NghtStrdr> lets put this thing on the calc.
<arantius> who said there was?
<Andi> 2.4, Ryan
<JackTrade> plainjump just jammed my calc up!!
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<RyanK> +.4 for the shell
<MelTsai> someone did...
<helmasur> NE1 w/asm knowledgeb wanna help me write a symbolic calculus prog
<Dan1son> that's not good
<_Will_> what!@!@!!!!
<RyanK> simple shell that is
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<helmasur> mel someone did wa?
<_Will_> what JackTrade?!!!
<Andi> Yarin, I think I fixed USGCAP
<Diem> you can put programs in there too!
<RyanK> calculus in z80 asm?
<RyanK> good luck, and may god have mercy on your soul
<Diem> yeah
<helmasur> A prog which does symb differentiation, and if I have enough tiem sym 
Integreation
<Ima> the Usgard d/l is slow
<Diem> Not for me
<Diem> I put it on already
<Allah> this is usgard 0.9 beta right?
<Allah> this is usgard 0.9 beta right?
<Allah> this is usgard 0.9 beta right?
<helmasur> symbolic differentiation ain't that hard, it's the integration that 
scares me
<Diem> Andi: is this .9 beta?
<helmasur> Ima want it via dcc
<RyanK> yeah.
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<RyanK> add a,9
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<RyanK> sub c
<RyanK> srl a
<RyanK> good luck
<MelTsai> oh gawd, no more symbolic manipulation talk, just drop that right now 
before someone gets hurt :)
<aardvark> 1,500 people in one day!
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s/usgard.zip"
<Andi> 0.9b because .3K are going to be reduced
<Allah> woops
<aardvark> (Usgard's webpage)
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<RyanK> where's austin
<Diem> ok
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<helmasur> I don't know Z80 asm, so I could just write the instructions, not the 
actual prog, that's Y I need help
<Dan1son> that is cool andi
<Diem> Andi: why don't I have that really cool USGARD logo on my vers?
<Dan1son> exployer rox
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<Diem> USGShell rocks
<Andi> What version do you use, Diem?
<RyanK> hey waffy
<aardvark> I'm downloading it.
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<Diem> Andi: .9b
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<fled> usg is dumb..
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<Diem> Andi: the USGshell
<Diem> Is explorer better?
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<helmasur> NE1 w/asm knowledge wanna help me write a symbolic calculus prog
<aardvark> Bye will
<Will_17> I lost my connection :(
<Dan1son> whoa I almost stopped the game by using that slow down thing
<MelTsai> I could mirror usgard at my site too if someone wants...
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<Andi> Well, everyone has to choose his favourite shell.
<Yarin> helm: do you have the source to Derive...?
<Will__> and my opps :(
<helmasur> Yarin : ?
<aardvark> "<helmasur> NE1 w/asm knowledge wanna help me write a symbolic calculus 
prog"- Do it!! 
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<Art> i just joined, where has it been posted?
<Will__> thanx :)
<Allah> Usgard 0.9 Beta @ http://www.ticalc.org/pub/85/asm/shells/usgard.zip
<RyanK> n/p
<arantius> hey, usgard mirror at: http://www.erols.com/arantius/
<helmasur> I can provide the instruction, but I don't know Z80 and basic would be 
way to slow
<Andi> WELL DO YOU LIKE USGARD?
<Yarin> helmasur: a symbolc calculus program isn't exactly easy to write... it 
would help quite a lot to have the algorithms
<fled> what was so terribly wrong with oshell that we need some bloatomatic win95 
wannabe shell?
<Will__> I do!!! :)
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* Allah hasn't tried it yet
<Diem> HELLZYEAH!
<Dan1son> what was all in the zip it's loaded
<Diem> HELLZYEAH!
<Diem> HELLZYEAH!
<RyanK> USGARD KICKS ASS
<Dan1son> IT ROX ANDI
<Will__> has anybody here tried out the new version of Mega Racers?
<Diem> Andi: good job
<Will__> its REALLY FAST!!!
<helmasur> Yarin That's what I can do, I need an asm coder
<arantius> I don't know!!  Only two com ports, taken by modem and mouse, gotta hang 
up to look at it, and I don't wanna!
<Diem> Will: not yet
<Allah> send the new ver of mega racers to ticalc.org :)
<RyanK> shut up fled
<Dan1son> where's a game with grayscale for it?
<MelTsai> helmasur:  you should just forget about a symbolic manipulation program.  
You'll have a brain hemmorrage before you finish ti
<MelTsai> it
<RyanK> you don't know what your talking about
<Yarin> helm: do you know the algorithms?
<helmasur> Yeop
<Andi> Yarin: However, Dines Justesen wants to write a FP library for Usgard
<Yarin> andi: Floating Point numbers?
<helmasur> for differentiatin, it's easy
<Yarin> he should do that...
<Yarin> that would rule
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<helmasur> I need a coder
<aardvark> Everybody go to #usgard if you're not already there.
<DavePiper> Does USGARD have (startup/shutdown/plugin) strings?
<Allah> this is #usgard
<Andi> Yes, Yarin.
<Will__> you guys want screensaves too?
<MelTsai> yeah we need a FP library badly...  and also a number 
display library that does blank padding like D_HL_DECI
<RyanK> hey, andi, what do you want me to do w/ that zcplib
<Yarin> like, the hard part with a symbolic program is to convert 
the input to data
<Andi> Now, DavePiper, SN fan >:-)
<aardvark> Woops wrong place (Everybody go to #usgard if you're 
not already there.)
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<Andi> I mean no.
<Andi> Well, actually, USGSHELL has startup code
<Andi> And INTERRUPTS ARE MUCH BETTER THAN PLUGINS!
<RyanK> damn right
<aardvark> I tried to send it to another channel (Everybody go to 
#usgard if you're not already there.)
<helmasur> naw, just read keys on the calc like : (, ), x, ^,m 
numbers, cos, sin, tan, don't let em use alpha
<Allah> andi: what is your email addy again?
<Blister> uhh hi
<Will__> sorry, but SuperNova locked my calc running a test program that came with 
it. not good :|
<MelTsai> ess.andreas@computerhaus.at
<Allah> thanks
<MelTsai> still had that one in the buffer :)
<Allah> :)
<Andi> Usgard will read keys like the calc - as soon as we hacked the ROM.
<Blister> what is this big hype about usgard?
<MelTsai> yeah will, SN constantly locks my calculator
<Yarin> helm: yes, but if you have a string, for example "5.684x(5x^(e^2x))+7y". 
convert that to some useful data
<ldspartan> Same here, I had the same thing happen to me with SuperNova
<helmasur> every math op can be written like a binary tree, so from there it's easy
<DavePiper> No with plugins they check for certain keys during execution, such as if 
you want a contrast changer you put the contrast file on your calcuatory and any 
where in super nova you can change the contrast including games!
<RyanK> go to #supernova for the dirt on SN
<aselle> You know what I want tto see for the 85
-ldspartan:#usgard- DCC Send filelist.txt (207.116.37.104)
<aselle> I want to see a 3d grapher written in asm...
<helmasur> idspart whats that
<MelTsai> helm:  regardless, what you're attempting to do will be gigantic.  
<helmasur> Yarin, you know asm?
<helmasur> brb
<aselle> helmasur: I'd have to say yes to that one ;)
<Art> can someone DCC me the file, since TICALC isn't showing up for me?
<MelTsai> hehe
<Andi> 3d grapher, aselle?!?
<Will__> what kinda q is that helmasur?
<ldspartan> when I ran the test program that came with SuperNova, My calc hung.
<MelTsai> no he doesn't :)
<Diem> hmmmm
<aselle> Andi: like the Ti92's...
<RyanK> is the pope catholic?
<DavePiper> I have locked up the calculator once with Super Nova it was when I 
loaded two shells on my calcuatory.
<aselle> It would be tough... but I think it would be cool...
<helmasur> would NE1 who knows asm wanna help
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<Yarin> if i just could get the source to a derive program (maybe porting the ROM 
code on the 92?) it would be easy
<helmasur> I am already outta school and I need sometin to do
<aselle> helmasur what were you going to work...
<MelTsai> but remember yarin, the derive algorythms probably take up 400-500K of 
the ROM module, too impractical even with the expander.
<Andi> Aselle, I have no TI-92.
<Will__> one more day for me!!! :)
* Ima just installed the big USGard backup on his 85
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<arantius> art: just read back, go to http://www.erols.com/arantius/
<Mr_Mr> hello
<Yarin> mel: are you sure!? i don't think that...
<MelTsai> well the ROM is 1 meg in size... what else is it filled with?
<aselle> Andi:neither do I...
<Yarin> not 500k... maybe 100k
<arantius> mel: it's a gui, DUH
<helmasur> but we are calculator people, the best at optomization!
<Yarin> the geometry program i guess takes quite much
<aardvark> Usgard programmer(s)- please send me all info on the abilitys and 
shortcuts etc. of usgard. We may add a "compile to Usgard" option to HAL 
(depending upon usgard's popularity).
<MelTsai> no arantius, that stuff doesn't take all that much MEM
<helmasur> might have to be an 86 prog
<Yarin> and the 92 ROM code has been written i C. Could be optimized I guess
<aselle> andi: look for graph3d if you ahve time... it is a tibasic prog that does 
kinda like the 92 but it is too slow
<Art> forget it
<arantius> mel: really, look at win95, IT COMES ON A CD!
<Andi> PEOPLE, listen ZTetris and Megaracers aren't the most current ones.
<Andi> Hello?
<MelTsai> The actual GUI functions of win95 don't take up that much memory, it's 
all the thousands of other things
<helmasur> Yarin, will you help me?
<ldspartan> ok, where are the recent ones?  on your page, Andi?
<aselle> mel: the API is quite big...
<Will__> I'm listing to you Andi =)
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<Yarin> mel: probably a lot of code that is never called :)
<aselle> and that is the GUI
<ldspartan> like Hover!
<Yarin> hel: nah. i'll work on Sqrxz instead
<MelTsai> My new expander driver software uses a pseudo-GUI and it's not any bigger 
than my driver without it!
<arantius> where can we get the most current then?
<aselle> what really takes a lot of memory is all those delay loops microsoft puts 
in to slow down their software to make intel happy
<Andi> All testing Usgard?
<ldspartan> [MelTsai] for USGard or not?
<MelTsai> right the API is just filled with unused stuff
<Yarin> aselle: hehe :)
<Andi> I'll upload them, soon.
<arantius> yarin: good Idea, sqrxz is way cooler!
<aselle> meltsai a lot of it is used ;)
<MelTsai> No the next ESF driver will not be Usgard specific
<helmasur> Will any1 help???????????????
<Will__> I want a sqrxz beta
<Will__> !
<MelTsai> but the one after that will be
<aardvark> Usgard programmer(s)- please send me all info on the abilitys and 
shortcuts etc. of usgard. We may add a "compile to Usgard" option to HAL 
(depending upon usgard's popularity).
<aardvark> Usgard programmer(s)- please send me all info on the abilitys and 
shortcuts etc. of usgard. We may add a "compile to Usgard" option to HAL 
(depending upon usgard's popularity).
<ldspartan> ok
<aselle> yarin: Either that or they just write the code in visual basic...
<Yarin> should be quite much smaller in Usgard also... compressed, external levels
<Dan1son> andi: is there anything out that uses the grayscale libraries?
<ldspartan> [aardvark] turn that timer down a little
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<aselle> yarin: we want sqrxz ;)
<MelTsai> Andi:  what codes did you use in String85 to signify a Usgard executable 
string?  Zshell uses 00 FE I think
<arantius> we want sqrxz!
<Andi> Dan1Son: QView - but I gonna make XC-1701
<helmasur> well?
<Yarin> aselle: :) except that they would have to write Win95 on VB for Win3.1 (or 
WinNT), and I don't think an OS can be made on VB
<Andi> MelTsai: 00 FA -> "ZShell too old"
<Yarin> mel: there is a table in the zip file...
<Dan1son> Andi: cool what about mcmik?
<JakTrades> anyone have any cool backgroung pics??
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<JakTrades> anyone have any cool background pics??
<Andi> MCmik - only for registered ones, I think.
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<aselle> yarin: it's just a joke yarin
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<helmasur> Will ne1 help me cumon
<Will__> I know a cool way to make SMALL back pics
<Will__> :) 
<arantius> helmasur: obviously not!
<Will__> like 7 bytes
<Will__> hehe
<Will__> really
<arantius> will: and that would be...
<aselle> andi: so are you going to be a regular on IRC now ;)?
<Will__> make a simple one line program called say "
<Will__> h"
<MelTsai> Oh oops, Zshell uses 00 FD not 00 FE
<Will__> then use that as the background
<Andi> ASelle: no I think... the Telephone charges... $6/hour
<Will__> try it out :)
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<Diem> Andi: what does wavlib do? sound?
<Will__> yuck!!!! I've never payed for internet :)I'm lucky
<Ima> is qview in the start button?
<Andi> DIem: yes, like playwav.
<Diem> i see
<MelTsai> me neither Will :)
<Will__> hehe
<Andi> Now, QView is started from explore, when selectin a pic.
<Will__> we're lucky
<Will__> then
<aselle> andi: that stinks...
<Ima> thanx andi
<aselle> andi: telephones are 5 cents per call (until the stupid phone companies 
change that)
<Irrumator> but your paying 20000 for college
<helmasur> O     O
<helmasur>     ^
<helmasur>   ____
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<Will__> no college is free too
<Will__> heheh
<arantius> helmasur, shut up!
<Ima> i need lib 5 :)
<Ima> brb
<aselle> Will__ why is that?
<Andi> New ZTetris version being uploaded now.
<MelTsai> with scholarships I pay like $3000 per year
<aselle> will __ daddy own a college?
<aselle> meltsai where do you go?
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<MelTsai> michigan state university
<Will__> no, ever hear of scholerships?
<ldspartan> [Andi] is the new tetris link play?
<arantius> ZTetris uploaded where?
<Will__> look at Mel's e-mail, msu....duh :) j/k
<aselle> meltsai Cool I live in wisconsin
<MelTsai> cheeseland :)
<Irrumator> w/ expanders mel goes for free
<aselle> will__ yes... But I thought they only gave them to smart people or people 
who were athletic
<Will__> Chicago kills both places@!!!!!!
<aselle> jk
<Will__> ehehe
<aselle> just kidding that is ;)
<JakTrades> is there APD?
<Andi> On my page, arantius.
<aardvark> Wow! Usgard is cool
<arantius> aselle: so will must be athletic :)
<Diem> andi: when does the APD work?
<Will__> I like to skate :) agressively
* MelTsai needs to finish up his ESF driver :)
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<Will__> yup
<Andi> New MR available now, too(bugfix?)
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<aselle> arantius that is what I figure... he must exercise while at his ocmputer... 
(I just don't know what)
<Lucca> um, is it out?
<aardvark> Usgard programmer(s)- please send me all info on the abilitys and 
shortcuts etc. of usgard. We may add a "compile to Usgard" option to HAL 
(depending upon usgard's popularity).
<aselle> andi: Should I recompile spacewar for usgarD?
<Will__> (neverending race!!! other code forgotten, oooops!!!) :)
<Andi> Yes, Lucca
<Lucca> .....ok
<Diem> there should be a linklib
<MelTsai> hey aardvark:  does HAL cross compile to the '83 ?
<Andi> Yes, aselle, but with the interrupt link library!
<Diem> for link play games
<arantius> recompile everything for usgard!
<aselle> diem: working on it...
<Diem> there is already one!
<aselle> diem: interrupt based...
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<Andi> Yes, recompile everything!!!
<aselle> diam: already one what?
<Diem> linklib
<Will__> EVERYBODY TRY OUT VERSION U1.2 OF MEGARACERS FOR USGARD!! :)
<Diem> nevermind
<Diem> will!
<Diem> awesome work
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pub/85/asm/shells/usgard"
<Will__> :)
<Dan1son> I tried 1.1
<Dan1son> it rox
<Allah> what the helL?
<Lucca> can someone send me usgard?
<Diem> it does?!
<Will__> 1.2 fixes a small bug,,,,,neverending race
<Allah> aselle?
<arantius> lucca: http://www.erols.com/arantius/
<aselle> Diem: where?
<aselle> Allah yeah
<Allah> recompile?
<Will__> I'll get version U1.3 out in two days. 
<Allah> what?
<Diem> aselle: nevermind - i was just confused - keep working on linklib
<aselle> dogh
<Lucca> hmm, whats that url at the top?
<aselle> I'm going to go work
<Andi> Get it at http://andi.ganymed.org/usgard.html
<aselle> Andi: nice talking to you good job on Usgard
<Andi> (and increase my counter :-)
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rd.zip"
<Will__> andi-r u going to put those html docs i gave you up?
<Diem> when will USGARD 1.0 be out?
<aselle> I gotta run
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<Allah> andi: type this:  /msg usgard pass <your new pw here>
<Andi> USGARD 1.0 - as soon we find a better way for InpSt(and smaller)
<Diem> what would happen when I delete the explorer string?
<aardvark> Does http://andi.ganymed.org/bin/usg/usgard.zip contain all of the files 
listed on http://andi.ganymed.org/usgard.html?
<Irrumator> later aselle
<JakTrades> I can't get the background to change!!  HELP!!
<aardvark> Does http://andi.ganymed.org/bin/usg/usgard.zip contain all of the files 
listed on http://andi.ganymed.org/usgard.html?
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<Will__> not that hard to do
<Blister> Hey people... what is Ess's URL?
<Irrumator> smoke is coming from my linkport
<Andi> No, Usgard.ZIP doesn't contain everything, but nearly everything.
<Irrumator> damn betas
<Irrumator> ;)
<Andi> http://andi.ganymed.org/usgard.html
<Yarin> andi: what is it missing?
<Blister> thanx
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/usgard.zip"
<Andi> Has somebody ROM 3.0A? 5.0? 6.0?
<Mr_Mr> Andi: Usgard looks great! Keep it up..
<Will__> brb
<Andi> Thanx.
<Dan1son> yeah it rox
<Blister> oh wait
* Blister is dumb... I just realized that Andi = Andreas =)
<Irrumator> anyone seen corndog
<Blister> hehehe
<JakTrades> is there APD??
<Dan1son> one thing that's confusing is you can't tell what progs go with what :)
<Andi> Dan1son, is it on the TI-files, too?
<Dan1son> no not yet 
<Dan1son> I'm to busy messin with it
<Dan1son> :)
<Allah> hm..
<Allah> what does this show :)
<Dan1son> that I like usgard
<aardvark> You should write an explore with a drive E: (Expander).
<Allah> hehehe
<Mr_Mr> Irr: i saw him last night
<aardvark> You should write the explorer with a drive E: (Expander).
<Irrumator> today I meant
<Ima> what's the deafult code on SafeHold?
<Andi> aardvark - had it before, but since the expander library isn't finished yet.
<aardvark> oh
<Andi> ON.
<Blister> what the hell is supernova?
<Will__> something you don't want
<Andi> SN is a f*cking shell.
<Blister> <Flinn> Usgard sucks
<ldspartan> [MelTsai] What's the eta of the new Expander software?
<Blister> <Flinn> 1. It can't run the game that comes with it
<Blister> <Flinn> 2. That Rolodex program is trash
<Blister> <Flinn> 3. It crashed my cal
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<MelTsai> ldspartan:  probably tomorrow, tonight if I'm lucky
<Irrumator> check the topic in #supernova
<homer> using the simple shell i can't use custcust!
<MelTsai> I'm just finishing up the main functions now
<Andi> Blister: what ROM do you have?
<Dan1son> I can't load qview
<Dan1son> "don't run directly"
<arantius> what is custcust
<Irrumator> Flinn is an asshole
<ldspartan> That will be good, how much bigger will it be?
<Irrumator> is that kid Dan Walls?
<Will__> what the hell is blister talking about?
<Ima> Dan:U select a logo in exlorer
<ldspartan> [Andi] Flinn said that in #calc-ti
<Andi> You've to select a B/W picture or whatever, Dan1Son.
<homer> with custcust you can run programs from the custom menu
<Dan1son> oh that's what it is?
<Blister> andi: I don't have an 85
<Andi> CustCust customizes your custm menu!
<Dan1son> you can't just run it?
<Irrumator> yeah it is.
<MelTsai> ldspartan:  the new driver will be less than 1000 bytes bigger
<Irrumator> I hate that kid
<Dan1son> one thing you should add... the option to delete in explorer
<MelTsai> probably 3800 bytes total
<homer> can someone help.. why doesn't it work..
<ldspartan> good.
<Lucca> andi:what does that mean, customize yer custom menu? and why would u do 
that?
<MelTsai> but the functionality has been increased by 500% so you won't mind the 
extra size :)
<JakTrades> what woudl be an example of something you would put in "Startup"?
<Yarin> lucca: maybe to put your favoruite game in the custom slot?
<MelTsai> And the Usgard version should be smaller
<Will__> Mel, will it have automatic execution and deletion after playing?
<MelTsai> yes 
<Will__> :)
<Ima> that bombswep program cashed my calc
<ldspartan> [MelTsai] will it be able to asign directories to programs already on 
the expander?
<arantius> that's cool
<MelTsai> the features are listed in the "current news" section
* Blister would recommend there being an expander-enhanced and normal Usgard once 
the expander capability is ready
<Andi> Ima: what ROM do you have?
<Yarin> ima: eh.. how did you do that?
<MelTsai> no ldspartan, you should delete everything on your expander before you use 
the new software
<ldspartan> l
<Will__> I need to fix my expander :(
<ldspartan> I meant k
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<Ima> Yarin:I started it
<MelTsai> it should work fine without erasing the ESF's mem, but just to be safe you 
should delete everything
<Corndog> OP ME PLEASE!
<aardvark> I'm inpressed with Usgard.
<ldspartan> what's wrong with it Will?
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<Corndog> So it has been released?
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<Will__> my first oen broke
<Andi> Hi Austin.
<Dan1son> one thing you should add... the option to delete in explorer
<Corndog> And is Andi who I think he is? :)
<Andi> ROlodex crashed someone's calc.
<Will__> so I'm almost done with my second one
<Will__> one connection ain't working though :(
<MelTsai> just in time will :)
<Will__> no power to the circut
<Andi> Delete in the explorer using F1 or F2.
<Andi> Andi is who you think he is.
<Dan1son> oh you can? :)
<Corndog> Crap...  Usgard crashes me sometimes too... a control panel thing when I 
change contrast
<homer> andi.. i am having trouble using custcust with the simple shell..
<Dan1son> oh that is cool
<zarniwoop> what is custcust????
<Dan1son> copy?
<Dan1son> go look at his page
<Andi> Homer: I never tested custcust with the simple shell, I must admit. Do you 
have winlib on your calc?
<ldspartan> [MelTsai] Has there been any work done on the computer link software?
<homer> yeah..
<Will__> Anybody here try out Mega Racers?
<homer> is says:  eroor.  ou need lib:;     2
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<Irrumator> hey corndog
<Andi> That's explrlib?
<JakTrades> will, does it come with the zip??
<Yarin> will: yeah, it's cool :) but it's to fast. i mean, you drive faster than you 
should
<Will__> old version yet. v 1.2 is out though
<Will__> :)
<Andi> I gonna leave now... 
<homer> sorry.. it says error.  you need lib:;    2
<homer> and that is all it says..
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<Will__> hehe. when i finnish the two player moves it'lbe slower
<Ima> what's zpclib?
<Yarin> homer: then you miss a library...
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<Ima> u ned explorerlib, homer
<Will__> I'm going to leave too. 
<Will__> biya everybody!
<JakTrades> will, can you dcc me mega racers??
<Will__> sure
<Yarin> i think you ALL should read the documentation, ALL the doc-files, before 
asking any questions
<JakTrades> thanks
<Corndog> there goes Yarin with his docs...  ;)
<zarniwoop> yarin is right...
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<zarniwoop> well, I gotta go, because I have to unhook my modem to use my 
graphlink...
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