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nice poll
usaar33  Account Info

finally, a poll that will actually be close...
personally I voted no: the point of a test is too test your math skills not your calculator skillz :)

Reply to this comment    27 February 2000, 21:50 GMT

Re: nice poll
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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And, of course, there's a difference between "skills" and "skillz." :)

--BlueCalx

Reply to this comment    27 February 2000, 21:57 GMT

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usaar33  Account Info

well, Nick you got skillz and skills :)

Reply to this comment    28 February 2000, 01:25 GMT


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Axycer Account Info

:)

Reply to this comment    1 March 2000, 05:34 GMT


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Cassady Roop  Account Info
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Such as spelling skills and zbellleen skillz

Reply to this comment    3 March 2000, 00:04 GMT


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usaar33  Account Info

Mi zbellleen skilz R peter tan al ov U!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply to this comment    3 March 2000, 01:41 GMT

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TheWog Account Info
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Agreed...although I really expected it to be a lot further in the 'yes' direction. I'm terrible at math, but since I don't "Get" most of the stuff beyond relatively simple algebra, a calc doesn't help me much.

Reply to this comment    27 February 2000, 22:07 GMT


Re: nice poll
jdtennis83

I disagree. Any regular moron can sit and take pencil to paper and figure out an algebra problem. Standardized tests shouldn't test this, but instead they should test a student's reasoning abilities. After all, reasoning is a lot more important in the real world cause if you don't know how to even begin solving a problem or work through it then nothing can help you, not even an expensive calculator. So I think before we point the finger at the calculators we should take a look at our testing practices. I will admit, however, that a calculator's power can be abused and measures should be taken so as not to let people slip through the cracks in the system without learning the basics.

Reply to this comment    27 February 2000, 22:47 GMT


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The_Professor  Account Info
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What they should do is divide tests into sections, where in one part you can't use a calc (or maybe just not a graphing calc) and the other they should let you use any calc (or supply 89's to be fair) and give problems that even the calc can't compleatly solve (like rationalizing denominators (with variables, on the 89), or problems with logrithms (other than ln) that want a symolic answer, and lots of word problems. Or they could make someone take a test on everything the calc can do before they allow it to be used (by that person) on tests.

Reply to this comment    28 February 2000, 03:25 GMT

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TheMadTickler

Two Problems

1. Where will the money come from to buy every student a 89 for the test?

2 It won't help them if they don't have any previous exposure to a graphing calculator before the test.

Reply to this comment    29 February 2000, 03:28 GMT

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usaar33  Account Info

1. where will they get the money?
1. You don't need it for every student, have one class take it at a time (or 1 student). If you still don't have enough money, just increase Bill Gate's taxes by a couple hundred million :)

2. Have the teachers have graphing calculators in the class (so all students use it)

Reply to this comment    2 March 2000, 03:17 GMT


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net-cat
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1. Where will the money come from to buy every student a 89 for the test?

Good Point. If my school applied for well-fare, they'ed probably get it.

2 It won't help them if they don't have any previous exposure to a graphing calculator before the test.

Most students (in my school, at least), couldn't give a darn about graphing calculators. (Cant tell the Diff between a TI-92+ and a TI-2550 (circa 1970's))

My math teacher tried to teach the math classes how to program the 82's and now they all hate her.

Reply to this comment    3 March 2000, 08:14 GMT

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ikecam  Account Info
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That idea makes no sense: you wish to provide a calculator only on problems for which the calculator is uselsess. Hmmm...

Reply to this comment    2 March 2000, 00:48 GMT


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usaar33  Account Info

if you could read, Isaac, you'd see the post said can't completely solve, not useless. (in other words, you need the calculator, but also math knowledge)

Reply to this comment    2 March 2000, 03:19 GMT


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Daniel Bishop  Account Info

Let's see: a non-calculator section followed by a calculators-allowed section that still requires thinking. Good idea, but the College Board thought of it first (AP Calculus)

Reply to this comment    18 April 2000, 03:16 GMT

Re: Do you think calculators with computer algebra systems should be allowed on standardized tests?
lexlugger
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Ever since I stopped using my TI-89 (link port broken) and used my TI-86 I noticed a great increase in my math grades. That's probably due to the fact that I have to do alot more thinking when I don't have a CAS.

Reply to this comment    27 February 2000, 22:22 GMT


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yosweetlady  Account Info

I don't know how to divide, and I'm in precalc with my ti-89. I'm sure glad I get to use it on tests, but it's really not fair that, on problems where you're supposed to solve an equation for a variable, I can just enter it and get the answer. I voted no.

Reply to this comment    28 February 2000, 01:31 GMT

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DWedit  Account Info
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If they ban CAS, why not just ban BASIC as well?

Beginners All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code...

Reply to this comment    27 February 2000, 23:00 GMT


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Laura Thompson  Account Info

I made a program in BASIC that basically did 95% of the test for me, I defended it by saying that I had to know how to do it to program it. My math teacher agreed with me. It's a shortcut and a time saver, this is the 00's man! :)

Reply to this comment    29 February 2000, 04:36 GMT


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Philip Ringsmuth  Account Info
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Exactly. It's simple to write programs in BASIC that can help out like that. I slapped together a simple program on the 89 that gives you sine, cosine, tangent, secant, cosecant, and cotangent of any number. It works great since the calc doesn't have the cot, sec, and csc functions built in.

-Fil

Reply to this comment    29 February 2000, 05:11 GMT

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aoejedi  Account Info
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If I remember correctly:

sin^(-1)=csc
cos^(-1)=sec
tan^(-1)=cot

Reply to this comment    29 February 2000, 06:01 GMT

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meingts Account Info

You have to be careful with the notation. sin^-1(x) is different from 1/sin(x).

Reply to this comment    1 March 2000, 02:52 GMT


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Laura Thompson  Account Info

You're missing the point, if he made the program he had to know how to enter cot sec csc stuff in.

Reply to this comment    1 March 2000, 23:11 GMT


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Daniel Bishop  Account Info

Why do you need a program just to find a reciprocal?

Reply to this comment    18 April 2000, 03:18 GMT

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