Let me try to clarify that... {5,2,3,1,1,5,3,6} -> List1 List1(4) - > Lpos4 listname(itemnumber) Now, Lpos4 should equal 1 since it is the 4th item in the list. The smae works with matricies. matrixname(row,column) --Zack AKA MysticWolf