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Dammit Serial, you're causing HTML mail again.  I'm not saying you are
necessarily the only one, but this is a clear cut example of the HTML
mail. Maybe it was an accident or something like that, but I have never
seen so much HTML mail on a mailing list.  We need a moderator.

Alan

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> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:08:42 -0800
> From: "Serial" <Serial@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: A89: Re: Assembly-89 Digest V1 #864
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> RE: A89: Re: Assembly-89 Digest V1 #864You cant be angry at them for 
> it,
> it's fair competition. You can take action if it is an identical 
> model
> though. But you cant patent broad ideas like those people who try to 
> patent
> general things or intangables like words or motor vehicles.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: owner-assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org
> [mailto:owner-assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org]On Behalf Of Mark Scott
>   Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 6:08 PM
>   To: 'assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org'
>   Subject: RE: A89: Re: Assembly-89 Digest V1 #864
> 
> 
>   If I had an object duplicator, I'd sell it to the companies 
> building
> lawnmowers, and patent it.  Then I'd be pissed if someone started
> duplicating my duplicator.
> 
>   Mark E. Scott Jr.
>   mscott@databasecity.com
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Alan C Johnson [mailto:benjamin99@juno.com]
>   Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 9:22 PM
>   To: assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org
>   Subject: A89: Re: Assembly-89 Digest V1 #864
> 
> 
> 
>   I don't expect this to change anyone's mind, but I just want to 
> make a
>   few points.
> 
>   You're still wrong.  Althogh MS would be stupid to put the Windows 
> source
>   on the web, that doesn't in any way take away their rights to do 
> as they
>   wish with it.  Software does not become public domain until the 
> author
>   makes it public domain, no matter what the company does with it.  
> They
>   could burn a set of CD's containing the Windows source and put 
> them on a
>   platter in front of MS headquarters, but until they decide to let 
> people
>   have them, it is illegal to take them.  Just because people like 
> you
>   would abuse a situation like this doesn't make it legal or right.  
> You
>   can rationalize it as much as you want, but it doesn't change the 
> facts.
> 
>   On a slightly separate note, Microsoft would not go bankrupt, 
> either,
>   just because there are far more people willing to do the right 
> thing and
>   buy Windows than go hunt it down on warez sites.  Think about it:  
> Do you
>   think the average man would go hunting for hours to go find a 
> working,
>   virus free copy?  I don't think so.  Despite the way they got in 
> the
>   position they are in, the right thing to do is buy the software 
> they
>   worked for years on instead of stealing it.  Besides, they will 
> get
>   what's coming to them when the government desides what to do about 
> their
>   monopoly tactics.
> 
>   Finally, earlier today, I read a message about a lawnmower 
> analogy.  It
>   said something about taking a lawnmower just because it doesn't 
> have a
>   sign saying not to take it.  Well imagine you have an "object
>   duplicator".  Would it be right to sneak into a lawnmower 
> manufacturor's
>   headquaters and copy yourself a lawnmower?  No, because if you 
> need a
>   lawnmower, that's one less lawnmower sold by the company.
> 
>   -Alan
> 
>   > ------------------------------
>   >
>   > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:45:14 -0800
>   > From: "Serial" <Serial@earthlink.net>
>   > Subject: Re: A89: Me distributing roms.
>   >
>   > The source to a program is a whole other animal. It's the source
>   > that can
>   > become public domain after a product is deemed outsold and not 
> going
>   > to make
>   > any money by the company. The sources are way way different than 
> the
>   > exe.
>   > However the idea is the same, if adobe put the source on their 
> site
>   > it's now
>   > a GNU product. They may make money off cd's from business still 
> but
>   > not
>   > likely. the doom source was released because it made id no money 
> so
>   > for no
>   > gain of their own they basically helped inspiring first person
>   > shooter game
>   > writters. I mean think of this.. if the source to windows 2000
>   > and/or 98 got
>   > out microsoft would likely go bankrupt overnight, this is the 
> reason
>   > it is
>   > not on the internet but rather on Mr. Super Computer in an 
> isolated
>   > room
>   > beind a shitload of steel and codes.
>   >
>   > - ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Olle Hedman <oh@hem.passagen.se>
>   > To: <assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org>
>   > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 8:08 AM
>   > Subject: Re: A89: Me distributing roms.
>   >
>   >
>   > >
>   > > yeah. whatever. I am just waiting if there will be any 
> response
>   > from TI.
>   > > I have not got any mail yet, but they have been visiting me 
> again.
>   > > Either they don't care, or they are teaming up their laywers 
> ;)
>   > > The only change I have done so far, is that I no longer 
> distribute
>   > the
>   > newest
>   > > rom version. If anyone wants that, they can just as well 
> download
>   > it from
>   > TI.
>   > >
>   > > file://Olle
>   > >
>   > > Scott Dial wrote:
>   > > > Isn't this one of those situations where the software 
> becomes
>   > public
>   > > > domain or something like that. I thought when software was 
> no
>   > longer in
>   > > > production that it becomes public domain after certain 
> amount of
>   > time.
>   > > > Whatever...
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>   > ------------------------------
>   >
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
> class=3D090070702-18012000>You=20
> cant be angry at them for it, it's fair competition. You can take 
> action =
> if it=20
> is an identical model though. But you cant patent broad ideas like 
> those =
> people=20
> who try to patent general things or intangables like words or 
> motor=20
> vehicles.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>   <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
> face=3DTahoma=20
>   size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
>   owner-assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org=20
>   [mailto:owner-assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org]<B>On Behalf Of 
> </B>Mark=20
>   Scott<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 17, 2000 6:08 
> PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
>   'assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: A89: Re: =
> Assembly-89=20
>   Digest V1 #864<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>If I had an object duplicator, I'd sell it to 
> the =
> companies=20
>   building lawnmowers, and patent it.&nbsp; Then I'd be pissed if =
> someone=20
>   started duplicating my duplicator.&nbsp; </FONT></P>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>Mark E. Scott Jr.</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>mscott@databasecity.com</FONT> </P>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>From: Alan=20
>   C Johnson [<A href=3D"mailto:benjamin99@juno.com"=20
>   target=3D_blank>mailto:benjamin99@juno.com</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>Sent:=20
>   Friday, January 14, 2000 9:22 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>To:=20
>   assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Subject: 
> A89: =
> Re:=20
>   Assembly-89 Digest V1 #864</FONT> </P><BR>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>I don't expect this to change anyone's mind, but 
> I =
> just want=20
>   to make a</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>few points.</FONT> </P>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>You're still wrong.&nbsp; Althogh MS would be 
> stupid =
> to put=20
>   the Windows source</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>on the web, that 
> doesn't =
> in any way=20
>   take away their rights to do as they</FONT> <BR><FONT 
> size=3D2>wish =
> with=20
>   it.&nbsp; Software does not become public domain until the =
> author</FONT>=20
>   <BR><FONT size=3D2>makes it public domain, no matter what the 
> company =
> does with=20
>   it.&nbsp; They</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>could burn a set of CD's 
> =
> containing the=20
>   Windows source and put them on a</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>platter 
> in =
> front of=20
>   MS headquarters, but until they decide to let people</FONT> 
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>have them, it is illegal to take them.&nbsp; Just because 
> =
> people like=20
>   you</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>would abuse a situation like this =
> doesn't make it=20
>   legal or right.&nbsp; You</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>can 
> rationalize it =
> as much=20
>   as you want, but it doesn't change the facts.</FONT> </P>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>On a slightly separate note, Microsoft would not 
> go =
> bankrupt,=20
>   either,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>just because there are far more 
> =
> people willing=20
>   to do the right thing and</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>buy Windows 
> than =
> go hunt it=20
>   down on warez sites.&nbsp; Think about it:&nbsp; Do you</FONT> =
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>think the average man would go hunting for hours to go 
> find a =
> 
>   working,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>virus free copy?&nbsp; I don't 
> =
> think=20
>   so.&nbsp; Despite the way they got in the</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>position=20
>   they are in, the right thing to do is buy the software they</FONT> 
> =
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>worked for years on instead of stealing it.&nbsp; 
> Besides, =
> they will=20
>   get</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>what's coming to them when the =
> government desides=20
>   what to do about their</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>monopoly =
> tactics.</FONT> </P>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>Finally, earlier today, I read a message about a 
> =
> lawnmower=20
>   analogy.&nbsp; It</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>said something about =
> taking a=20
>   lawnmower just because it doesn't have a</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>sign saying=20
>   not to take it.&nbsp; Well imagine you have an "object</FONT> =
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>duplicator".&nbsp; Would it be right to sneak into a =
> lawnmower=20
>   manufacturor's</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>headquaters and copy 
> yourself =
> a=20
>   lawnmower?&nbsp; No, because if you need a</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>lawnmower,=20
>   that's one less lawnmower sold by the company.</FONT> </P>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>-Alan</FONT> </P>
>   <P><FONT size=3D2>&gt; ------------------------------</FONT> 
> <BR><FONT =
> 
>   size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Date: Fri, 14 Jan 
> 2000 =
> 15:45:14=20
>   -0800</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; From: "Serial"=20
>   &lt;Serial@earthlink.net&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; 
> Subject: =
> Re: A89: Me=20
>   distributing roms.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT 
> =
> size=3D2>&gt;=20
>   The source to a program is a whole other animal. It's the =
> source</FONT>=20
>   <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; that can</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; 
> become =
> public=20
>   domain after a product is deemed outsold and not going</FONT> =
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>&gt; to make</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; any money by 
> the =
> company. The=20
>   sources are way way different than the</FONT> <BR><FONT 
> size=3D2>&gt;=20
>   exe.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; However the idea is the same, 
> if =
> adobe put=20
>   the source on their site</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; it's =
> now</FONT>=20
>   <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; a GNU product. They may make money off 
> cd's =
> from=20
>   business still but</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; not</FONT> 
> <BR><FONT =
> 
>   size=3D2>&gt; likely. the doom source was released because it made 
> id =
> no money=20
>   so</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; for no</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>&gt; gain of=20
>   their own they basically helped inspiring first person</FONT> =
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>&gt; shooter game</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; 
> writters. I =
> mean think=20
>   of this.. if the source to windows 2000</FONT> <BR><FONT 
> size=3D2>&gt; =
> and/or 98=20
>   got</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; out microsoft would likely go =
> bankrupt=20
>   overnight, this is the reason</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; it =
> is</FONT>=20
>   <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; not on the internet but rather on Mr. 
> Super =
> Computer in=20
>   an isolated</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; room</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>&gt;=20
>   beind a shitload of steel and codes.</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>&gt;</FONT>=20
>   <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; - ----- Original Message -----</FONT> =
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>&gt; From: Olle Hedman &lt;oh@hem.passagen.se&gt;</FONT> 
> =
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>&gt; To: &lt;assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org&gt;</FONT> =
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>&gt; Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 8:08 AM</FONT> 
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: A89: Me distributing roms.</FONT> 
> <BR><FONT =
> 
>   size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>&gt;=20
>   &gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; yeah. whatever. I am just 
> =
> waiting if=20
>   there will be any response</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; from =
> TI.</FONT>=20
>   <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; I have not got any mail yet, but they 
> =
> have been=20
>   visiting me again.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Either they 
> =
> don't care,=20
>   or they are teaming up their laywers ;)</FONT> <BR><FONT 
> size=3D2>&gt; =
> &gt; The=20
>   only change I have done so far, is that I no longer 
> distribute</FONT>=20
>   <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =
> newest</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>&gt; &gt; rom version. If anyone wants that, they can 
> just as =
> well=20
>   download</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; it from</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>&gt;=20
>   TI.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT 
> size=3D2>&gt; =
> &gt; <A=20
>   href=3D"file://Olle" target=3D_blank>file://Olle</A></FONT> 
> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>&gt;=20
>   &gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; Scott Dial wrote:</FONT> 
> =
> <BR><FONT=20
>   size=3D2>&gt; &gt; &gt; Isn't this one of those situations where 
> the =
> software=20
>   becomes</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; public</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>&gt; &gt;=20
>   &gt; domain or something like that. I thought when software was =
> no</FONT>=20
>   <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; longer in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; 
> &gt; =
> &gt;=20
>   production that it becomes public domain after certain amount =
> of</FONT>=20
>   <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; time.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; 
> &gt; =
> 
>   Whatever...</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT =
> size=3D2>&gt;=20
>   &gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT 
> size=3D2>&gt;=20
>   ------------------------------</FONT> <BR><FONT 
> size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> =
> <BR><FONT=20
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