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List ZShell Digest wrote:
>
> List ZShell Digest Tuesday, June 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 108
>
> Index of topics in this issue:
>
> LZ: SF Expander Software
> RE: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> Re: LZ: SF Expander Software
> Re: LZ: linking probs
> Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> RE: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> RE: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> Re: LZ: A "Shell-Developers" E-Mailing List
> LZ: Super Nova
> Re: LZ: Shells
> Re: LZ: Shells
> Re: LZ: A "Shell-Developers" E-Mailing List
> LZ: Shell Anarchy!
> Re: LZ: A "Shell-Developers" E-Mailing List
> Re: LZ: Shells
> Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> Re: LZ: linking probs
> LZ: Hiding zshell programs
> Re: LZ: Shells
>
> See the end of the mail for information about the list!
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:08:36 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Antman79@aol.com
> Subject: LZ: SF Expander Software
>
> Hey Mel,
> Tell me where I can find the source for the SF Expander. I'm good with that
> kind of stuff and would like to take a try at it.
> - -Grant
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 22:49:33 UT
> From: "Jeff Tyrrill" <Jeff_Tyrrill@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
>
> A feature I'd like is an interrupt handler. It would make it easy for people
> to right TSRs and for people to have several on their calc. But more
> importantly, I'd like to see a feature where a user can press ON _anytime_,
> out of CShell, in TI-OS, while running a BASIC program, while running an ASM
> program, etc. the calc would shut off, and ask for a password when it came on.
> Will this be implemented?
> ________________
>
> Jeff Tyrrill's TI Calculator Site: Contains programming tips, undocumented
> discoveries and tips for power users, and comparisons of the different
> calculator models.
> http://tyrrill-ticalc.home.ml.org/
>
> TI-Files member: The premiere TI site on the web, with reviews of games and
> more.
> http://ti-files.home.ml.org/
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org On Behalf Of Michael Wyman
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 1997 2:06 PM
> To: list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org
> Subject: Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
>
> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Henry Zektser wrote:
>
> > ok gents, out right now, what is best (I want built in security, and all)
> > also, contrast and stuff MUST be built in
> > an SDK file would be prefered (txt explaining every function)
> > thanks
> > henry
>
> The next version of CShell to come out (after the version Keith
> optimized) will have built in security. That will, in fact, be the main
> _new_ feature... Options we know _FOR SURE_ will be (all optional!):
>
> Requiring login
> Requiring logout (keeps people from messing up your calc!)
> Lock all programs (if you want to require login to play any programs...)
> Lock with PowerDown (so if you turn your calc off people can't get in...)
>
> Possible for next version (though likely in later versions for sure!):
>
> Ability to selectively lock programs (so if you only want people to be
> unable to access certain programs, to maybe allow them to play games...)
>
> We might add more on, but I can't really tell for certain...
>
> Oh!! We _WILL_ keep a small version of CShell out even after the one with
> all the security features gets released... The version we keep will
> probably be the one Keith and I release very shortly!
>
> ~Michael
>
> Cogito, ergo sum. Sum, ergo edo. Cogito, ergo doleo. Cogito sumere
> potum alterum.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 23:03:01 GMT
> From: tsaimelv@pilot.msu.edu (Mel Tsai)
> Subject: Re: LZ: SF Expander Software
>
> >Hey Mel,
> >Tell me where I can find the source for the SF Expander. I'm good with that
> >kind of stuff and would like to take a try at it.
>
> I'm not releasing the source, for a number of reasons. Soon Usgard
> will have built-in expander functions that you can play with.
>
> - -Mel
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> - -The TI-Memory Expansion Homepage
> - -http://www.egr.msu.edu/~tsaimelv/expander.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 19:13:42 -0300
> From: marco@magenta.com
> Subject: Re: LZ: linking probs
>
> > Will Stokes wrote:
> >
> >> he can't transmit stuff either way. he knows something is goin
> >> gthough
> >> becuase if he send to the calc. it will (that calc.) gets an error
> >> message. but he can't seem to send anything. something like error 35
> >> or
> >> something comes up.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Damien wrote:
> >>
> >> > Will Stokes wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > i know this isn't exactly for this list so I'm not listing my
> >> entire
> >> > >
> >> > > problem. I have a friend who is having probems using the $4 link
> >> and
> >> > > the
> >> > > guy who dezigned it didn't respond to e-mail. does anybody
> >> > > knowledgeable
> >> > > or know anybody knowledgeable see this e-mail I'm posting? if so
> >>
> >> > > PLEASE
> >> > > e-mail me IMMEDIATELY! Please, the faster the better. We (my
> >> friend
> >> > > and I)
> >> > > can't figure out what is wrong but have good info on the error
> >> > > messages.
> >> > > respond ASAP please.
> >> >
> >> > What sort of problems is he having?
> >> >
> >>
> >
> > Are you sure you have everything connected right, nothing
> > shorting/connecting properly? I made one of those links and it took me
> > a while to see that I had a diode the wrong way round ( we are talking
> > about the serial link, right?) Also, is he using the correct software
> > for it, I had to try a few different ones to get it to work right. If
> > he can't get it to work (and no-one else suggests anything) try
> > building the parallel link. Its much easier to make, and Link85xp
> > works great with it.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Damien
>
> $4 link -- that's the parallel link, correct? Is your friend under
> win95? Uh-huh. I had the problem, took me about 4 months to figure it
> out (I'm not sure if this is what is affecting him or not...) But go
> into control panel > printers > (insert default printer here) >
> properties > port settings and turn off spool MS-DOS printjobs.
>
> If your cable is made properly and the little test proggie says it's
> okay, then that should be your problem.
>
> good luck,
>
> - --Paul
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:18:55 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Will Stokes <wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
> Subject: Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
>
> how about an option to lock modifying a game by using an interrupt. that
> way if you don't want people to change highscores etc. they have to enter
> a password that they don't know. just a thought.
>
> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Michael Wyman wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Henry Zektser wrote:
> >
> > > ok gents, out right now, what is best (I want built in security, and all)
> > > also, contrast and stuff MUST be built in
> > > an SDK file would be prefered (txt explaining every function)
> > > thanks
> > > henry
> >
> > The next version of CShell to come out (after the version Keith
> > optimized) will have built in security. That will, in fact, be the main
> > _new_ feature... Options we know _FOR SURE_ will be (all optional!):
> >
> > Requiring login
> > Requiring logout (keeps people from messing up your calc!)
> > Lock all programs (if you want to require login to play any programs...)
> > Lock with PowerDown (so if you turn your calc off people can't get in...)
> >
> > Possible for next version (though likely in later versions for sure!):
> >
> > Ability to selectively lock programs (so if you only want people to be
> > unable to access certain programs, to maybe allow them to play games...)
> >
> > We might add more on, but I can't really tell for certain...
> >
> > Oh!! We _WILL_ keep a small version of CShell out even after the one with
> > all the security features gets released... The version we keep will
> > probably be the one Keith and I release very shortly!
> >
> > ~Michael
> >
> > Cogito, ergo sum. Sum, ergo edo. Cogito, ergo doleo. Cogito sumere
> > potum alterum.
> >
>
> Biya,
> Will Stokes
> 8^)
> _____________________________________________________
> / /|
> /____________________________________________________/ |
> | | |
> | Will Stokes | |
> | wstokes@geocities.com | |
> | wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu | |
> | | |
> | My Personal Homepage | |
> | http://www.uic.edu/~hhstokes/will.htm | |
> | | |
> | The TI-85 Calculator Center | |
> | (the website I maintain and update very often) | |
> | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/7360/ | |
> | | /
> |____________________________________________________|/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:23:02 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Will Stokes <wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
> Subject: RE: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
>
> don't make it ON! how could we quit certain ti-basic programs!!!!!!!!
>
> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Jeff Tyrrill wrote:
>
> > A feature I'd like is an interrupt handler. It would make it easy for people
> > to right TSRs and for people to have several on their calc. But more
> > importantly, I'd like to see a feature where a user can press ON _anytime_,
> > out of CShell, in TI-OS, while running a BASIC program, while running an ASM
> > program, etc. the calc would shut off, and ask for a password when it came on.
> > Will this be implemented?
> > ________________
> >
> > Jeff Tyrrill's TI Calculator Site: Contains programming tips, undocumented
> > discoveries and tips for power users, and comparisons of the different
> > calculator models.
> > http://tyrrill-ticalc.home.ml.org/
> >
> > TI-Files member: The premiere TI site on the web, with reviews of games and
> > more.
> > http://ti-files.home.ml.org/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org On Behalf Of Michael Wyman
> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 1997 2:06 PM
> > To: list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org
> > Subject: Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Henry Zektser wrote:
> >
> > > ok gents, out right now, what is best (I want built in security, and all)
> > > also, contrast and stuff MUST be built in
> > > an SDK file would be prefered (txt explaining every function)
> > > thanks
> > > henry
> >
> > The next version of CShell to come out (after the version Keith
> > optimized) will have built in security. That will, in fact, be the main
> > _new_ feature... Options we know _FOR SURE_ will be (all optional!):
> >
> > Requiring login
> > Requiring logout (keeps people from messing up your calc!)
> > Lock all programs (if you want to require login to play any programs...)
> > Lock with PowerDown (so if you turn your calc off people can't get in...)
> >
> > Possible for next version (though likely in later versions for sure!):
> >
> > Ability to selectively lock programs (so if you only want people to be
> > unable to access certain programs, to maybe allow them to play games...)
> >
> > We might add more on, but I can't really tell for certain...
> >
> > Oh!! We _WILL_ keep a small version of CShell out even after the one with
> > all the security features gets released... The version we keep will
> > probably be the one Keith and I release very shortly!
> >
> > ~Michael
> >
> > Cogito, ergo sum. Sum, ergo edo. Cogito, ergo doleo. Cogito sumere
> > potum alterum.
> >
>
> Biya,
> Will Stokes
> 8^)
> _____________________________________________________
> / /|
> /____________________________________________________/ |
> | | |
> | Will Stokes | |
> | wstokes@geocities.com | |
> | wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu | |
> | | |
> | My Personal Homepage | |
> | http://www.uic.edu/~hhstokes/will.htm | |
> | | |
> | The TI-85 Calculator Center | |
> | (the website I maintain and update very often) | |
> | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/7360/ | |
> | | /
> |____________________________________________________|/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 00:47:18 UT
> From: "Jeff Tyrrill" <Jeff_Tyrrill@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
>
> I think ON would be fine. The convenience would far outweigh the
> disadvantages. You wouldn't even half to press 2nd-ON to turn off the calc. To
> quit TI-BASIC programs, we could press ON-comma or some other key.
>
> I just thought of another complication. The interrupt handler would have to
> somehow disable the APD and use its own APD for the password protection to
> work with APD. And, the custom APD routine would have to know to not shut off
> when a BASIC or ASM program is running.
>
> It would probably be best not to build this feature into the shell. But an
> interrupt handler should definitely make it into the shell so this type of
> thing could be easily added.
> ________________
>
> Jeff Tyrrill's TI Calculator Site: Contains programming tips, undocumented
> discoveries and tips for power users, and comparisons of the different
> calculator models.
> http://tyrrill-ticalc.home.ml.org/
>
> TI-Files member: The premiere TI site on the web, with reviews of games and
> more.
> http://ti-files.home.ml.org/
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org On Behalf Of Will Stokes
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 1997 5:23 PM
> To: list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org
> Subject: RE: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
>
> don't make it ON! how could we quit certain ti-basic programs!!!!!!!!
>
> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Jeff Tyrrill wrote:
>
> > A feature I'd like is an interrupt handler. It would make it easy for people
>
> > to right TSRs and for people to have several on their calc. But more
> > importantly, I'd like to see a feature where a user can press ON _anytime_,
> > out of CShell, in TI-OS, while running a BASIC program, while running an ASM
>
> > program, etc. the calc would shut off, and ask for a password when it came
> on.
> > Will this be implemented?
> > ________________
> >
> > Jeff Tyrrill's TI Calculator Site: Contains programming tips, undocumented
> > discoveries and tips for power users, and comparisons of the different
> > calculator models.
> > http://tyrrill-ticalc.home.ml.org/
> >
> > TI-Files member: The premiere TI site on the web, with reviews of games and
> > more.
> > http://ti-files.home.ml.org/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org On Behalf Of Michael Wyman
> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 1997 2:06 PM
> > To: list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org
> > Subject: Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Henry Zektser wrote:
> >
> > > ok gents, out right now, what is best (I want built in security, and all)
> > > also, contrast and stuff MUST be built in
> > > an SDK file would be prefered (txt explaining every function)
> > > thanks
> > > henry
> >
> > The next version of CShell to come out (after the version Keith
> > optimized) will have built in security. That will, in fact, be the main
> > _new_ feature... Options we know _FOR SURE_ will be (all optional!):
> >
> > Requiring login
> > Requiring logout (keeps people from messing up your calc!)
> > Lock all programs (if you want to require login to play any programs...)
> > Lock with PowerDown (so if you turn your calc off people can't get in...)
> >
> > Possible for next version (though likely in later versions for sure!):
> >
> > Ability to selectively lock programs (so if you only want people to be
> > unable to access certain programs, to maybe allow them to play games...)
> >
> > We might add more on, but I can't really tell for certain...
> >
> > Oh!! We _WILL_ keep a small version of CShell out even after the one with
> > all the security features gets released... The version we keep will
> > probably be the one Keith and I release very shortly!
> >
> > ~Michael
> >
> > Cogito, ergo sum. Sum, ergo edo. Cogito, ergo doleo. Cogito sumere
> > potum alterum.
> >
>
> Biya,
> Will Stokes
> 8^)
> _____________________________________________________
> / /|
> /____________________________________________________/ |
> | | |
> | Will Stokes | |
> | wstokes@geocities.com | |
> | wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu | |
> | | |
> | My Personal Homepage | |
> | http://www.uic.edu/~hhstokes/will.htm | |
> | | |
> | The TI-85 Calculator Center | |
> | (the website I maintain and update very often) | |
> | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/7360/ | |
> | | /
> |____________________________________________________|/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 21:18:56 EDT
> From: nxt@juno.com (n X t)
> Subject: Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
>
> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:18:55 -0500 (CDT) Will Stokes
> <wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu> writes:
> >how about an option to lock modifying a game by using an interrupt.
> >that
> >way if you don't want people to change highscores etc. they have to
> >enter
> >a password that they don't know. just a thought.
>
> first of all this will be on the TI85 calculator.. second how do you
> MODIFY a ZSHELL game on the CALCULATOR and make it ASK for a PASSWORD..
> you can't do that..
>
> yeah you can run a hex editor.. but there's no way for the PROGRAM to
> know "WOW THIS GUY HAS A HEX EDITOR AND TRYING TO MODIFY STUFF.. LET ME
> ASK HIM FOR THE PASSWORD"
> - ---
> - -nXt
> nxt@geocities.com http://nxt.home.ml.org <-- Web Page
> nxt@juno.com http://nxtpage.home.ml.org <-- Online
> Pager
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:23:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Drmortimer@aol.com
> Subject: Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
>
> Goddamn it, we're talking about a calculator that's SUPPOSEDLY (heh) out of
> reach of babies at all times! PW protection is pretty pointless on a calc,
> because you can remove the friggin' Lithium battery and use the calc. If
> someone seems to want to use the calc, they're pretty stupid and probably
> don't even know how do hit CUSTOM F1 to hit CShell (or whatever shell :) )
> anyway. This is just my $ 0.02.
>
> - -The Doctor
>
> {--DO NOT visit my web page at http://members.aol.com/drmortimer--}
> This has been a PSA.
> IRC: DMortimer
>
> In a message dated 97-06-02 21:14:17 EDT, wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu
> (Will Stokes) writes:
>
> << don't make it ON! how could we quit certain ti-basic programs!!!!!!!!
>
> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Jeff Tyrrill wrote:
>
> > A feature I'd like is an interrupt handler. It would make it easy for
> people
> > to right TSRs and for people to have several on their calc. But more
> > importantly, I'd like to see a feature where a user can press ON
> _anytime_,
> > out of CShell, in TI-OS, while running a BASIC program, while running an
> ASM
> > program, etc. the calc would shut off, and ask for a password when it came
> on.
> > Will this be implemented?
> > ________________
> >
> > Jeff Tyrrill's TI Calculator Site: Contains programming tips, undocumented
>
> > discoveries and tips for power users, and comparisons of the different
> > calculator models.
> > http://tyrrill-ticalc.home.ml.org/
> >
> > TI-Files member: The premiere TI site on the web, with reviews of games
> and
> > more.
> > http://ti-files.home.ml.org/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org On Behalf Of Michael Wyman
> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 1997 2:06 PM
> > To: list-zshell@lists.ticalc.org
> > Subject: Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Henry Zektser wrote:
> >
> > > ok gents, out right now, what is best (I want built in security, and
> all)
> > > also, contrast and stuff MUST be built in
> > > an SDK file would be prefered (txt explaining every function)
> > > thanks
> > > henry
> >
> > The next version of CShell to come out (after the version Keith
> > optimized) will have built in security. That will, in fact, be the main
> > _new_ feature... Options we know _FOR SURE_ will be (all optional!):
> >
> > Requiring login
> > Requiring logout (keeps people from messing up your calc!)
> > Lock all programs (if you want to require login to play any programs...)
> > Lock with PowerDown (so if you turn your calc off people can't get in...)
> >
> > Possible for next version (though likely in later versions for sure!):
> >
> > Ability to selectively lock programs (so if you only want people to be
> > unable to access certain programs, to maybe allow them to play games...)
> >
> > We might add more on, but I can't really tell for certain...
> >
> > Oh!! We _WILL_ keep a small version of CShell out even after the one with
> > all the security features gets released... The version we keep will
> > probably be the one Keith and I release very shortly!
> >
> > ~Michael
> >
> > Cogito, ergo sum. Sum, ergo edo. Cogito, ergo doleo. Cogito sumere
> > potum alterum.
> >
>
> Biya,
> Will Stokes
> 8^) >>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:50:46 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Will Stokes <wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
> Subject: Re: LZ: ZShell, OS-85, C-Shell NT, OShell and all the rest
>
> you know how beginnings of files have a tag that says this string is a
> zshell string (or isn;t). I know zshell has it
> 's own string tag, regualr strings don't and thye don't show up in the
> menu thingy. if we incorporated into that string a statemetn of locked or
> unlocked you could do this? understnad? I KNOW it could be done.
>
> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, n X t wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2 Jun 1997 19:18:55 -0500 (CDT) Will Stokes
> > <wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu> writes:
> > >how about an option to lock modifying a game by using an interrupt.
> > >that
> > >way if you don't want people to change highscores etc. they have to
> > >enter
> > >a password that they don't know. just a thought.
> >
> > first of all this will be on the TI85 calculator.. second how do you
> > MODIFY a ZSHELL game on the CALCULATOR and make it ASK for a PASSWORD..
> > you can't do that..
> >
> > yeah you can run a hex editor.. but there's no way for the PROGRAM to
> > know "WOW THIS GUY HAS A HEX EDITOR AND TRYING TO MODIFY STUFF.. LET ME
> > ASK HIM FOR THE PASSWORD"
> > ---
> > -nXt
> > nxt@geocities.com http://nxt.home.ml.org <-- Web Page
> > nxt@juno.com http://nxtpage.home.ml.org <-- Online
> > Pager
> >
>
> Biya,
> Will Stokes
> 8^)
> _____________________________________________________
> / /|
> /____________________________________________________/ |
> | | |
> | Will Stokes | |
> | wstokes@geocities.com | |
> | wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu | |
> | | |
> | My Personal Homepage | |
> | http://www.uic.edu/~hhstokes/will.htm | |
> | | |
> | The TI-85 Calculator Center | |
> | (the website I maintain and update very often) | |
> | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/7360/ | |
> | | /
> |____________________________________________________|/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:06:44 CDT
> From: jim.reardon@juno.com (Jim Reardon)
> Subject: Re: LZ: A "Shell-Developers" E-Mailing List
>
> I don't know, CShell is still my favorite but SuperNova has a VERY strong
> possibility of becoming a great shell. Oh yeah, and OS-85 sucks.
>
> Jim Reardon
> jim.reardon@juno.com
> Viva La Mexico
> http://pages.prodigy.net/eviljim/
> We all come into the world the same way - naked, screaming, covered in
> blood. But if you live your life right, that kind of thing doesn't have
> to end there.
>
> On Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:49:46 -0500 (CDT) Will Stokes
> <wstokes@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu> writes:
> >> I know it is too early to decide if I like it or not, but, well, it
> >just
> >> looks to fancy for me and I don't have enough memory as it is. So
> >when
> >> is Usgard going to come out? They keep pushing it back. You'd
> >think
> >> they're translating it from Japanese.
> >
> >
> >very soon. trust me, it's worth the wait.
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 22:05:22 CDT
> From: jim.reardon@juno.com (Jim Reardon)
> Subject: LZ: Super Nova
>
> I have the SDK version of Super Nova. The size is extremely good, not
> too much bigger than Zshell. There is a LOT of added functionality (and
> I don't know what I can and can not say, so I'll say nothing). Just
> poking around with it I decided I like it, although I had one or two
> "hey, I'm going to crash your calculator just because I'm evil" problems.
>
> Jim Reardon
> jim.reardon@juno.com
> Viva La Mexico
> http://pages.prodigy.net/eviljim/
> We all come into the world the same way - naked, screaming, covered in
> blood. But if you live your life right, that kind of thing doesn't have
> to end there.
>
> On Mon, 02 Jun 1997 15:36:09 -0400 Tony Lieuallen <arantius@erols.com>
> writes:
> >> Wait till you see SuperNova. I know that all you out there
> >> are
> >> are still waiting to see it. SuperNova is 97% complete at the
> >moment,
> >> you
> >> can expect to see major changes such as: Customizable interface.
> >You
> >> will
> >> be capable of making your own interface.
> >
> >Sure, but how big is it?
> >
> >--
> > ''~``
> > ( o o )
> > ____.oooO__(_)__Oooo.__________
> > / Tony Lieuallen \
> >[ arantius@erols.com ]
> >[ http://tiarc.home.ml.org }
> >[ .oooO http://gifs.home.ml.org]
> >[ ( ) Oooo. ]
> > \____\ (____( )_______________/
> > \_) ) /
> > (_/
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 00:18:10 -0700
> From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp, Crystal Baird, and Mark Sharp" <kyrie@telepath.com>
> Subject: Re: LZ: Shells
>
> Damien wrote:
> >
>
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