This is y i hate Flash apps for the 89, unless u want a not so good one u have to pay for it or now its get the demo, i think i payed $150 buks for my calc and it said i would be getting free flash upgrades and programs, well damit, i want the free and i want them now!

thats my 2 cents

Is it possible for peaons like us to be able to program Flash Apps?? If so, how???

PsySpy the Chosen

You'll have to wait for the release of the TI-89/TI-92 Plus SDK. I'm guessing that the SDK will allow you to create flash apps that run on the SDK's emulator, but in order to test them on your calc or have them signed, you'll need to purchase an SDK license.

Wow....thats really dumb.......i think that anyone should be able to progam the flash apps......i'd like to see what nick could do if he prog'd them

PsySpy the Chosen

OH MY *GOD*.
(rolls eyes in over-dramatic way)

Why does everyone think that, if I did some activity I'm not likely to do, I would do it better than anyone else. It's almost like that if I decided to join the American Olympic Luge team that I would be the greatest damned Luge player in all existence.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE.

I'm a good writer. I'd like to think I'm a good news editor. That does *NOT* mean I would be a good coder in the assembly language, or any other language, or any other activity for that matter.

Please have the common sense to distinguish my writing prowess from my programming ineptitude.

--BlueCalx

Finally, someone who hates Nick as much as I do! That conniving weasel still owes me seven bucks from that tape he bought at that Misfits concert. I want my money, dammit!

Love, Stu

I love the Misfits! Go Danzig go.

I have this bad feeling that is discussion is going to be the same exact thing as the one for ME-Pro was about the price of programs. Why doesn't everyone just read that discussion and not bother to do the same thing here?

You do get free Flash updates and programs. Those are your AMS updates and things like Finance, List/Statistics Editor (that was a good thing, for the List editing--I don't use the other), and language localizations.

So we gat the ASM's that allow us to use less and less AMS progs with each update and a whole pile of crapy APPS for free. The only thing good we get is TI-CABRI®. I guess thats what we get for beleiving TI's advertisments.
Ryan.

Why have two free geometry apps to use instead of the old one- they should replace it in AMS

Not everyone gets these apps for free. (Now all these 89 novices are going to run around trying to find cabri and gsp for free)

I wrote yapt, a periodic table for the ti89. It is far better than the flash app 83+ periodic table. My dorm mate just got it free for his 83+ so I have looked at it a bit.

Anyways, people like you like to complain about paying for apps but when a programer such as myself makes something better and requests help in debugging I get no response.

The entire purpose for an initial release is to find bugs, but with such a program as yapt you are only going to find bugs in data either by accident or by actively searching them out. So I had the idea to ask for help to actively search them out. As of this posting yapt has been downloaded 243 times. But nobody has volunteered or even thanked me. I really like my program but I will not program for ingrates.

We are capable of writing our own apps but we still have to help each other. Whether or not they execute from flash rom is of limited importance.


-Samuel

Actually...the part of the SDK making programs run from the FLASH ROM is really cool...it brings the 64k limit to 700k.
Ryan.

There is no real 64kB limit for apps running from RAM. Its easy to overcome this limit.

Your comment points out a very major problem with the TI community. People write some very amazing programs, but no one ever bothers to thank them, offer suggestions, etc. If you like a program, email the author and tell them that you like it. Offer a suggestion or two if you have them. If you find a bug, tell them. You may think it's pointless, but that one email from someone saying how much they love the game you wrote could really mean something.

You have a point there. Had I never received any email for any programs I have written for TI's, I would have quit programming them long ago.

Thanks everyone who has supported my cause, you have given me a gift that is irreplacable.

-JrJinfinity
http://redrival.com/jrjinfinity

Hey guys, I don't know about you, but for many programs I get on my calc and I like, I email the programmer and comment on the program (good comments) and I also try to help if there are things I can do like testing or ideas... I thinkwe should make it a custom to email back programmers for their good work after coding a program, which they do in their spare time, I don't know I do it usually, I think other ppl should too... I don't do chemistry and I can't really help you there Samuel, but I think that the TI community should help each other more, cause if not, then who we got?

::Ariel::

Why does TI charge $$ for Flash apps?

Flash apps are damn hard to program, and it takes a lot of time and money to write and test them. TI has to pay the programmers somehow.

Actually, many Flash applications are not made by TI at all, but are written by third-party developers. TI merely links the them as a reseller for your convenience.

The difficulty of programming any given flash app can vary greatly depending on what specific tasks that app does, but I'd say that writing a TIOS-like flash app is typically easier that writing a similar program with TI-GCC. Exceptions occur when you move from mathematical applications to games or to other programs that utilize certain TIGCCLIB features.

Rather than explain why Flash Apps are usually for sale, it's easier to explain why they're _not_ for free. Probably most prevalent is the fact that TI charges for certain app development materials and to sign apps, and it's very unlikely that an amateur programmer would pay to create free applications.

We're left with the apps being developed by second- or third-party developers. These developers want to profit off of their programs. This results in many high-calibur programs which we would not normally find, but they're all commercial. Were apps not for sale, it's very, very unlikely that we would ever see anything that comes even remotely close to EE*Pro, ME*Pro, EE200, etc.

As the above post said, TI isn't the developer of these programs, it's the reseller. It's very likely that TI receives commission of some sort with the sale of every flash app. Furthermore, flash apps can only be sold commercially though TI, as commercial apps must be signed by TI.

Just remember, we're better off with commercial engineering programs than no engineering programs.

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