First comment! This looks really good. I've used Ion and I'm not a real big fan.

This shell seems very interesting. Even though this is a great shell, we cant blow off Joe's shell. I mean I bet half the code from Ice is from Joe's Ion. We cant just discard Joe's Ion. Remember the little people. They make the world go round

Sorry, but I really don't see how I could have used Joe's code seen that he didn't even release it.

I couldn't help. This looks nice, maybe better than ION, but it is a bit bigger. Hrm, are folders worth it? I think so, it is much smaller than most '86 shells. But why no power down? Generally I don't like shells that crash when someone that doesn't know anything does something stupid!! I'll hafta try it anyway. Thanks for making another shell for all of us ungratefull '83+ owners, and us die-hard '83ers too!! p.s. I got the post above the 2nd one!

Ron!
IMO:
"Pokemon is japan's way of getting back at us for nuking them."

never mind about that p.s., I guess I wasn't fast enough at hitting the reload button. Oh well. Joe did a great thing, he made the first '83+ shell, and that wont ever be forgotten, and it didn't even crash as much as most 1st shells. Ever heard of crASH? That's all. Besides, most calculator platforms have more than 1 or even 2 shells written for them, it gives people what we in America like to call, "Freedom of Choice." :) No offense intended towards our Chinese visitors of course!

LOL to your Pokémon comment; I'd say it's worse than any nuke! Anyway, I think it is definitely worth the few extra bytes to get the folders. Also, it is amazing how much smaller these are than 86 shells are! Generally those are ~5000 bytes. They do have more features though.

Bryan

FYI-Program grouping on the 86 adds about 4-20 bytes, not complicated at all. I added it to my shell and it was about the same size. All it has to do is check the one grouping byte when searching the vat.

Ok, why in god's name does this only support unarchived progs? Maybe i am missing something but nothing worked at first then i unarchived one program and that one program worked only...weird

Ice doesn't support archived programs for the simple fact that I am missing information about the Ti-83 plus archive routines.

Just an idea:

Ask Joe for some tips/info

He was a part of the SDK Beta testers, right?
Matt H.

Just an idea:

Ask Joe for some tips/info


Matt H.

Please find some way of checking into allowing your shell to run archived programs... thats what made ION so wonderful... so many games/progs not enough RAM, but with Archive, its a whole new story... other than that, FOLDERS ARE THE BOMB!

Let me know when a 600 byte shell is released for the TI83, and it DOESN'T break the TI-OS like ANOVA microshell. Also let me know when a 600 byte shell comes out on 83+...

It seems a little excessive to have folder groupings on a calc with only 32k of ram (~27k that's actually usable). I know I've never had more than one screen worth of asm progs in Ion before.

Maybe when these shells support archived progs there'll be a point...

Hmmm, you have a good point:

~27K RAM

Each game: ~3K

27/3=9; Ice/Ion screen displays up to 8 progs...but keep in mind many games are over 3K. Maybe if the 83 had a shell that displayed 2 columns of games instead of 1.

At any rate, I know folders are an essential for the 86, with its 96K RAM. My YAS "games" folder has only 1 blank space left, and I still have over 10K RAM free!

Archive capabilities would be nice, but it's up to the discretion of the programer....remember the Ahmed incident? Anyways, most of my programs are archived, I am still using Ion, and until something better comes out, I will switch. I have about 50 games on my calculator, under Ion, with about 17k of ram left, and 35k of archive space left. ( 6 pages of games on Ion is a lot of games! Think about the capacity Ice could hold if it had archive.)

Ion (v1.0 and 1.1) support archived programs, that's one of the reasons I like it so much. I have three screens of games (about 24 games) and still about 94K of archeive mem. left and about 10K of RAM. I think folders are good for any shell, but not at the expense of using archived programs. I think the creator of Ice really should release a version that is able to read archived games. Until then I probably won't use it.

yea if ice supported archived programs id be there but scence ti dont im sticking with ion so i can have all 24 of my games

Right now I am sticking with ION... it is way better, with the exception of it not having folders... If ICE would cooperate in some manner so that Joe could help with archived progs and keeping folders, this would be the sweetes sheel for 83/83+... Also, dont run ICE if you still want to run ION, it crashes the whole OS and clears your RAM... that's why it is good to keep groups of archived progs that you want to save... check out my program that finally got released for BASIC Math Progs... Its the INTEREST TUTORIAL... Thanks!

I used this shell on my ti-83 and it won't run my ION breakout. Why?

that is because ICE is stupid, and won't run archived programs, if it ever did, ICE would be the BEST %$^$# shell there was for the 83+!!!!! (unless of course ION got changed to allow us to scroll to the LEFT and RIGHT instead of only to the right while looking at programs)

If you've not yet done so, you might want to check out the updated version of Ion (v1.2) that just got uploaded a few days ago. This new version lets you scroll to both sides (left and right) and fixes a few other problems.