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Ice v0.91
Posted by Nick on 24 December 1999, 06:21 GMT

IceSolignac Julien of Cygnus X-1 Technologies has released a wonderful new shell for the 83 and 83 Plus called Ice. This shell is compatible with all Ion games, so there shouldn't be any worries there. This shell does include a nifty new feature, though: folders! It also takes up very little memory (938 or 960 bytes for the 83 and 83 Plus, respectively). You should check this interesting new shell soon!

 


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Re: Ice v0.91
BryanK  Account Info
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First comment! This looks really good. I've used Ion and I'm not a real big fan.

     24 December 1999, 06:28 GMT


Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Dave Roberto  Account Info

This shell seems very interesting. Even though this is a great shell, we cant blow off Joe's shell. I mean I bet half the code from Ice is from Joe's Ion. We cant just discard Joe's Ion. Remember the little people. They make the world go round

     24 December 1999, 06:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Julien Solignac  Account Info
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Sorry, but I really don't see how I could have used Joe's code seen that he didn't even release it.

     24 December 1999, 15:59 GMT

Re: Ice v0.91
Ron!  Account Info
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I couldn't help. This looks nice, maybe better than ION, but it is a bit bigger. Hrm, are folders worth it? I think so, it is much smaller than most '86 shells. But why no power down? Generally I don't like shells that crash when someone that doesn't know anything does something stupid!! I'll hafta try it anyway. Thanks for making another shell for all of us ungratefull '83+ owners, and us die-hard '83ers too!! p.s. I got the post above the 2nd one!

Ron!
IMO:
"Pokemon is japan's way of getting back at us for nuking them."

     24 December 1999, 06:31 GMT

Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Ron!  Account Info
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never mind about that p.s., I guess I wasn't fast enough at hitting the reload button. Oh well. Joe did a great thing, he made the first '83+ shell, and that wont ever be forgotten, and it didn't even crash as much as most 1st shells. Ever heard of crASH? That's all. Besides, most calculator platforms have more than 1 or even 2 shells written for them, it gives people what we in America like to call, "Freedom of Choice." :) No offense intended towards our Chinese visitors of course!

     24 December 1999, 06:39 GMT


Re: Re: Ice v0.91
BryanK  Account Info
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LOL to your Pokémon comment; I'd say it's worse than any nuke! Anyway, I think it is definitely worth the few extra bytes to get the folders. Also, it is amazing how much smaller these are than 86 shells are! Generally those are ~5000 bytes. They do have more features though.

Bryan

     24 December 1999, 06:45 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
brentes
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FYI-Program grouping on the 86 adds about 4-20 bytes, not complicated at all. I added it to my shell and it was about the same size. All it has to do is check the one grouping byte when searching the vat.

     24 December 1999, 07:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Lucas Creagan  Account Info

Ok, why in god's name does this only support unarchived progs? Maybe i am missing something but nothing worked at first then i unarchived one program and that one program worked only...weird

     24 December 1999, 08:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Julien Solignac  Account Info
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Ice doesn't support archived programs for the simple fact that I am missing information about the Ti-83 plus archive routines.

     24 December 1999, 16:01 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Matthew Hernandez  Account Info
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Just an idea:

Ask Joe for some tips/info

He was a part of the SDK Beta testers, right?
Matt H.

     24 December 1999, 18:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Matthew Hernandez  Account Info
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Just an idea:

Ask Joe for some tips/info


Matt H.

     24 December 1999, 18:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
VaultMaster  Account Info
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Please find some way of checking into allowing your shell to run archived programs... thats what made ION so wonderful... so many games/progs not enough RAM, but with Archive, its a whole new story... other than that, FOLDERS ARE THE BOMB!

     24 December 1999, 22:25 GMT

Re: Ice v0.91
DWedit  Account Info
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Let me know when a 600 byte shell is released for the TI83, and it DOESN'T break the TI-OS like ANOVA microshell. Also let me know when a 600 byte shell comes out on 83+...

     24 December 1999, 16:45 GMT

Re: Ice v0.91
Jonah Cohen  Account Info
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It seems a little excessive to have folder groupings on a calc with only 32k of ram (~27k that's actually usable). I know I've never had more than one screen worth of asm progs in Ion before.

Maybe when these shells support archived progs there'll be a point...

     24 December 1999, 17:40 GMT

Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Alapanamo  Account Info

Hmmm, you have a good point:

~27K RAM

Each game: ~3K

27/3=9; Ice/Ion screen displays up to 8 progs...but keep in mind many games are over 3K. Maybe if the 83 had a shell that displayed 2 columns of games instead of 1.

At any rate, I know folders are an essential for the 86, with its 96K RAM. My YAS "games" folder has only 1 blank space left, and I still have over 10K RAM free!

     24 December 1999, 19:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Aggies07

Archive capabilities would be nice, but it's up to the discretion of the programer....remember the Ahmed incident? Anyways, most of my programs are archived, I am still using Ion, and until something better comes out, I will switch. I have about 50 games on my calculator, under Ion, with about 17k of ram left, and 35k of archive space left. ( 6 pages of games on Ion is a lot of games! Think about the capacity Ice could hold if it had archive.)

     27 December 1999, 00:10 GMT


Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Safari  Account Info
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Ion (v1.0 and 1.1) support archived programs, that's one of the reasons I like it so much. I have three screens of games (about 24 games) and still about 94K of archeive mem. left and about 10K of RAM. I think folders are good for any shell, but not at the expense of using archived programs. I think the creator of Ice really should release a version that is able to read archived games. Until then I probably won't use it.

     24 December 1999, 20:15 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
ComputerWiz  Account Info
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yea if ice supported archived programs id be there but scence ti dont im sticking with ion so i can have all 24 of my games

     24 December 1999, 21:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
VaultMaster  Account Info
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Right now I am sticking with ION... it is way better, with the exception of it not having folders... If ICE would cooperate in some manner so that Joe could help with archived progs and keeping folders, this would be the sweetes sheel for 83/83+... Also, dont run ICE if you still want to run ION, it crashes the whole OS and clears your RAM... that's why it is good to keep groups of archived progs that you want to save... check out my program that finally got released for BASIC Math Progs... Its the INTEREST TUTORIAL... Thanks!

     24 December 1999, 22:37 GMT

Re: Ice v0.91
xX_ZoMBiE_Xx  Account Info
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I used this shell on my ti-83 and it won't run my ION breakout. Why?

     24 December 1999, 22:31 GMT


Re: Re: Ice v0.91
LORD_Thanatos  Account Info

that is because ICE is stupid, and won't run archived programs, if it ever did, ICE would be the BEST %$^$# shell there was for the 83+!!!!! (unless of course ION got changed to allow us to scroll to the LEFT and RIGHT instead of only to the right while looking at programs)

     25 December 1999, 00:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Ice v0.91
Safari  Account Info
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If you've not yet done so, you might want to check out the updated version of Ion (v1.2) that just got uploaded a few days ago. This new version lets you scroll to both sides (left and right) and fixes a few other problems.

     25 December 1999, 05:02 GMT

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