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Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Posted by Nick on 10 December 1999, 01:10 GMT

AMS v2.03I found that TI released AMS 2.03, wrote a small blurb on ticalc.org as all of you have probably noticed, and then went to download the software. I snagged the whole thing in about 30 seconds on my ISDN line (at 14.6K/s).
The .exe file downloaded, I ran it and saw the WinZip installer we all know and love. I found it interesting that TI didn't put this in an auto-installing .exe, but a file with extension .89u that my TI-Graph Link software didn't support.
So, after I had installed the graph link software (v0.23), things worked fine. I upgraded the calc and it loaded surprisingly faster than when I experimented with version 2.01 of the AMS.
Now's where it gets fun.
My calculator was one of the first TI-89's produced, so naturally I have hardware version 1.00. I typed getConfg() at the home screen (My first command, yipee) and I noticed that TI has still not fixed the problem with the free archive RAM. Go to Zephyr Productions for more info about that one. I don't think this is fixable on calcs with HW v1.00, but TI hasn't said otherwise.
Running an ASM program caused an address error - as expected - and I had to pull out the lithium battery. This is a Bad Thing(TM). I'm guessing that the grayscale problems still exist as well.
Now for the intended features. I went to CATALOG and noticed the help menu. Expecting a short blurb a'la the TI-89 manual under each function, TI decided to instead repeat the exact same thing that shows up in the status bar when you move to select a function.
The user-defined functions in CATALOG are very nice. I like those. That's one of the better features I saw.
The serial number for the calculator is displayed in a much larger font (above). I thought that warranted a mention... but I don't see the reason why they did it, aside from clarity.
Some stuff in VAR-LINK that I thought interesting were the collapsible menus, the flash application management, and the contents of the folders you could get by pressing F6. Aside from that, no big deal to be made there.
Whether or not there's a limit on assembly programs remains a mystery to me. Anyone who would like to perform tests (with screenshots, please *g*) please email me as soon as possible.
Finally, there's language localization programs released by TI, supporting French, Italian, Spanish, German and Portugese. For more info, click here. Once again, click here to download AMS v2.03 for the 89.

 


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Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Patrick Wilson  Account Info
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'Tis cool

All the more reason to get an 89, eh Nick?

     10 December 1999, 01:21 GMT


Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
yosweetlady  Account Info

Anybody else pissed as hell that they can't use the additional memory? I was really looking forward to being able to put all of the streetfighters on my calculator. I'm not even going to upgrade to this version unless someone gives me a real reason. I'll see if the programs get maimed to work with it or not first.

     10 December 1999, 02:49 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Charles Yong  Account Info

Heh, streetfighters on ams v2.03? Try to get a 9k version of PONG to work first. Extra memory is useless, nothing to put in it that works.

     10 December 1999, 03:01 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
yosweetlady  Account Info

well, I assumed that the code could be cracked fairly quickly so that the old games would work. It's really horrible that asm can't be larger than 8k. By the way, Has that been confirmed? Ti's site previuosly said that AMS version 2.00 would be released in fall and that it WOULD EXPAND THE USER-DATA ARCHIVE TO 702K OF MEMORY, AS WELL AS THE 188K OF USER-AVAILABLE RAM. Isn't that illegel for them to claim, since it doesn't do that on my hardware version 1 calculator? I'm mad, and I'm gonna send them hundreds of e-mails about that.

     10 December 1999, 03:20 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Reno  Account Info

actually, if you click on an info link about the 89, you can see that they state that "some calculators" won't achieve full use of the archives

     10 December 1999, 03:28 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
yosweetlady  Account Info

I think It's pretty certain that those "some calculators" are the ones with hardware version 1, as was the case with AMS 2.01.

     10 December 1999, 03:35 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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Damn. My TI-89 HW1 calculator can only use about 50% of the user archive? That sucks...

     10 December 1999, 04:00 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
YodaToad  Account Info

Actually i tested the archive mem last night and it seems like somewhere around 200k is unusable... Around 25% not used... still what we can use is good enough for me..

     10 December 1999, 16:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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I thought HW1 can only use ~384k of the total ~700k user archive? Seems closer to 50% than 25%...

     10 December 1999, 18:56 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Stephen Account Info

Is there a way I can find out what hardware version I have? if I have 1, what's the cheapest way to upgrade to 2? Make my own parts and put 4MB ROM and 1MB RAM in it with a 480x256-pixel 256-grayscale display? I have a 92+ currently with 1.01 so I can play games. I'm not permanently upgrading until I can run the ASM games on 2.03 or newer.

     10 December 1999, 09:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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You can find out your hardware version by looking at the about screen that shows which AMS version you have. If the words "Hardware version v2.00" do not show up, then you have HW1.

But since your TI-92 Plus is AMS 1.01, it must be HW1.

     10 December 1999, 15:27 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Stephen Account Info

then is there a chance that any programmer might be able to write a work-around so I can use the full 702kB?

Also, I have a couple ideas for fake news items (considering I haven't seen any in a while)

     12 December 1999, 05:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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Most likely not, TI will need to fix that problem.

But you can use the full 700kb of memory, you just can't use all of it for data archive. More than half of it must be used for Flash ROM apps ONLY.

     12 December 1999, 08:57 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Jonathan Kaus  Account Info
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If you bought your TI-92+ as a TI-92+ and not as a TI-92 with a plus module upgrade, then I am pretty sure that you have Hardware Version 2. If you have AMS1.01, then perhaps this .01 is to support HW2.
IF I am correct, this is what is up:
AMS1.00 on TI-89 HW1s and TI-92 /w plus module (??)
AMS1.01 on TI-92+ HW2s (?) no TI-89s (??)
AMS1.05 on TI-89 HW2s and can upgrade HW1s and HW2s
AMS2.01 the prerelease thing that "wasn't made by TI." can upgrade HW1 and HW2
AMS2.03 the actual TI release of AMS2. On New TI-89 HW2s and TI-92+ HW2s (presumably) can upgrade all HW1 and HW2s

Somebody please correct me if Im wrong.

     13 December 1999, 18:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Stephen Account Info

I got the 92, then got the plus module later

     15 December 1999, 10:28 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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They lied. It's not illegal.

     10 December 1999, 04:01 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
yosweetlady  Account Info

are you sure it's not illegal? Their post is false advertising for their product. Anyone want to confirm that it actually is the hardware version 1 calculators that don't get the memory, and not just a couple of freak ones?

     10 December 1999, 04:09 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
h4X0r  Account Info
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I have 2 HW 1.00, and 1 HW 2.00 calc, the 1.00 calcs only have the 384k of archive whereas the HW 2 calc has 650K of archive. Of course the HW 2 calc cant play ASM games (the Kernel 0.6 doesn't work) and the grayscale does not work either. TI really pulled a fast one on use "early adopters" of TI-89's by screwing with our memory, and not letting us access that sweet 720k of FlashROM they promised.

     10 December 1999, 04:29 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Charles Yong  Account Info

Not only did they pull a fast one on the early buyers, but they pulled an even faster one on the new buyers since they can't play games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(

     10 December 1999, 04:33 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Jack Lin  Account Info

My calculator seems to have 720K. At least, the memory section says so. Can't run any ASM games. Basic games work fine--of course.

     10 December 1999, 04:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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Your's is probably hardware v2.00...

     10 December 1999, 08:12 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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It's not really TI's fault that their new OS doesn't run "our" games, which are basically a hack of their OS/ROM.

     10 December 1999, 04:56 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Nick Chaves  Account Info
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How are they a hack...85 asm programs are a hack...but 83,86,89 have built-in asm support.

     10 December 1999, 07:20 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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But assembly programs on the TI-89 don't exactly use TI's method. Same thing on the TI-83. It's not a "hack" like the TI-85, but its different than using TI's method, such as the Asm( function on the TI-86.

     10 December 1999, 08:14 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Munkies  Account Info

actually, if you read the BASIC art of ASHELL, it says "ASM(:::::::::" in it, which is basically, repeat, basically the same as typing ASM(. it just uses a shell to do it in, which makes it easier to navigate to find the program you want to run.
And besides that, TI didn't specify a "method" to run ASM program on the 89 except folder\filename().

     12 December 1999, 01:37 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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Exactly, TI has not specified a way to run 89 assembly programs yet. That's what their SDK is for, which isn't out yet. :)

     12 December 1999, 08:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
SPUI  Account Info

So what's the Exec( command for?

     13 December 1999, 02:30 GMT

oh shut up
stevieb  Account Info
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they did NOT sell the calculator as a game machine
they did NOT sell the calculator on the fact that one year later you will be able to upgrade and get more achive memory.
the calculator does everything it said it would when you bought it, so stop your whining.

     10 December 1999, 23:07 GMT


Re: (infinity) Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Ron!  Account Info
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That's funny, because I returned my HW 1.00 '89 so I could get 2.00. I'm more interested in the calculators future than the current games, and besides, it was built for math wasn't it? It'll just take time. Maybe I'll catch on to m68k faster than z80. Has anyone clock tested the HW 2 calcs? I betcha they really do run @ 12MHz. The m68k can run faster than what TI set them at originally, the z80 could have run @ 14MHz but TI chose to run it slower. Oh well, that's all for now.

Ron!

     11 December 1999, 04:52 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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I don't think it falls under the false advertising thing. This claim wasn't printed on the boxes for the HW1 TI-89's or anything like that. TI simply said that the new AMS would have twice as much memory or whatever. Perhaps they came to some unexpected road-blocks and that prevented them from "fixing" the HW1 calculators. Who knows. The point is, they claimed this fact _before_ AMS 2.x was released. That's totally different. You can claim anything about your product before its released, because you can't get people to buy a false product before its out. But when it actually gets released, then its different I believe.

     10 December 1999, 04:35 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
yosweetlady  Account Info

good. In that case, I'm now selling sponges at my website for a low-low price of $39.95. Within a month, I will release a chemical compound, free of charge, to the owners of these sponges. This compound will react with the sponge and transform it into gold. Act now, supplies are limited.
(please, no comments from freshmen in chemistry telling me that I can't turn something into gold.)

     10 December 1999, 07:01 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
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Hehe, yes, I see your point. But AFAIK, that isn't illegal to do. But I'm no expert in such laws, so I could be wrong.

     10 December 1999, 08:17 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Krach42  Account Info
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You know the funniest thing? You _CAN_ say that. It turns out that you only have to make proper claims about the stuff people are actually buying; the things that you give away as promotions don't have to actually ever be met.

My parents once paid, I think, for a membership to a gym. They paid twice as much for a one year membership, but got 4 free years... After the year, the place went out of bussiness, and my parents couldn't do anything, because the extra 4 years were promotional.

What TI decides to release to us for free is their own choice... It could physically break our calcs for all it matters... with in realms of normal law... (Neglecting to tell us that all HW1 calcs will blow up using the software is negligence and illegal, but not saying that their software will do something, but it doesn't)

     10 December 1999, 10:13 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Malluck  Account Info
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Hey Guys, look at this. From what I understand I have a version 1HW calculator (it shows no info on the hardware version in the about screen), yet once I loaded AMS 2.03 I have 702K of archivable memory. This shouldn't be happing right? I upgraded from 1.00 to 1.05 to now 2.03. So maybe I fooled it into thinking it was HW 2. The thing is once I throw so much stuff into memory, *poof* it reports as it should for a HW1 calc. Go figure....

     10 December 1999, 20:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
Nick Chaves  Account Info
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The memory screen says so, but do getconfg() or whatever that function is (I'm not looking at my calculator right now). That's where it tells you how much actual memory there is. Or so I here - I tried out 2.01 and wasn't too impressed so I'm waiting until I get a reason to upgrade (no games is a huge negative for me).

Nick Chaves

     12 December 1999, 02:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
mattc2345  Account Info

I doubt that any assembly programs are going to work on 2.03 for a while anyway.

I hope that one guy (sorry I forgot your name) who wrote that program that changes assembly programs from 1.00 to 1.05 will make it compatable with this so people can get assembly working.

     10 December 1999, 03:11 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Texas Instruments Releases AMS v2.03
David Hart  Account Info
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I'm trying... :)

Not sure whether it will be easily possible with this new ROM, at least not without DoorsOS/PlusShell being altered.

     11 December 1999, 15:46 GMT

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