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TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Posted by Michael on 10 September 2004, 02:20 GMT

It's been four months since we added the TI-84 Plus section to our file archives. In retrospect, this was not the best decision. One major developing problem was uninformed 84 Plus users who looked for programs for their calculator and were confused by finding only a few. Bearing in mind that the actual differences between even the 83+ and 84+ SE, the extremes of the series in capabilities, are very minimal, we have merged the two directories together to create the TI-83/84 Plus directory.

We hope that this change will lead to less confusion among new users and also will prevent the duplication of files in both directory structures. If a program requiring the 84+ is uploaded, it would be best to make a note of it in the program description. The only one such far that I'm aware of is Timerize.

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Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
takuanitromars36 Account Info

Good. Now my friends who are calculator newbies won't complain to me as much that there aren't any games for their calculator.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 02:26 GMT


Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I think this was a smart move. We don't need any more newbies complaining!

Reply to this comment    11 September 2004, 00:24 GMT

Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
takuanitromars36 Account Info

Yes, the move was hella legit.

Reply to this comment    11 September 2004, 05:07 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
takuanitromars36 Account Info

Sorry for using slang. The above statement in formal English is as follows:

Yes, the move is extremely commendable.

Reply to this comment    11 September 2004, 05:14 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
LonePhoenix  Account Info
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i dont think this is really smart. first of all, the archives are so freakin crowded that 1) it takes forever to load, and 2) it takes forever just to scroll past A, which puts the programs starting at A at an advantage since they get more downloads. The last thing we need is a merge where there's even more files to sort through and compatibility problems, however slight, may come up.

Reply to this comment    12 September 2004, 07:55 GMT

Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Nikky Southerland  Account Info
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yeah, I saw the heading's changed eariler today....I wondered what was up.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 02:27 GMT


Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Brian Gordon  Account Info
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me too.
so jealous of the timerize author's free news plug o_0

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 11:26 GMT

Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Jason Malinowski  Account Info

Is there a reason it's not going to be "TI-83 Plus / TI-84 Plus"? Right now a newbie might think that the TI-83/TI-84+ means a regular 83.

It still shows two seperate directories on the root listing, although they both link to the same actual directory. Is this intended?

Also, the page at http://www.ticalc.org/pub/83plus/ still says 83+ (doesn't say anything about the 84+)

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 02:42 GMT

Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Benjamin Moody  Account Info

File info also has the old directory descriptions.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 05:03 GMT

Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Morgan Davies  Account Info
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I wasn't told exactly what to name them....however everything that you mentioned I did on purpose. I called it "83/84 Plus" becasue that was the shortest. In my mind its not a big deal. If I get a lot of people complaining about it or people begin to upload '83' files into this directory (A LOT) then we might consider changing it. But still its not a big issue at the moment.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 05:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Timmc Account Info
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You'd have to be pretty special to not notice "83" above "83/84 Plus" and then expect the "83" to be duplicated inside the "84 Plus" directory. *for any n00bs reading, this is not the case*
Hopefully this change will deter users from porting other programmers basic games from the 83+ to 84+.
"Guess The Number (84 Plus Editon)" OMG!OMG!OMG!

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 06:52 GMT


Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
benryves  Account Info
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*checks directory structure*
Thank goodness, it hasn't changed for my files! I'd have to update the friggin database on my site otherwise...

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 10:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Timmc Account Info
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You mean you hotlink files from this site?

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 14:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
benryves  Account Info
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*shhhhhhh!*
Actually, yes I do.
The download links say "Download from www.ticalc.org" next to them. That way I can log statistics and make sure that the files are always the most up to date.
Observe by clicking the web page button above. (note - site is not yet finished)

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 14:31 GMT

Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Lewk Of Serthic  Account Info
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Good. Now to be really fair you should make a titianium section. There are REAL compatibility issues there.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 02:55 GMT

Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
takuanitromars36 Account Info

Aye, aye.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 03:54 GMT

Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
TheCalcGenius  Account Info
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Definitely, considering I've crashed my calculator 9 times within 5 weeks mainly with ASM and C programs...and thankfully super start was there to recover the archives on crashes #2-9.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 04:06 GMT


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CajunLuke Account Info

Mine's crashed at least once per day for the last week and a half. Specifics follow (please help):

My Voyage 200 is having problems running ASM programs. Monster makes a blue screen ("of death"), and Space Dementia I makes a black bar across the top. I am running 2.09, clock on, APPs Desktop off, running isl, and I have Xpanded my calculator. Can anyone help? I have already reloaded the AMS, but the problem is recurrent.

Reply to this comment    13 September 2004, 20:51 GMT

TI-89Ti Section
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

Agreed.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 04:07 GMT

Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Nikky Southerland  Account Info
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er, "titianium"?
I know of a TI-89 titanium...but no TI-89titianium

I guess thats why there's no TI89 titianium section....

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 04:33 GMT

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W Hibdon  Account Info
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*glares*

-W-

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 05:28 GMT


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Lewk Of Serthic  Account Info
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Spelling Nazi.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 20:50 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
CajunLuke Account Info

just as long as he's not a bathroom Nazi

Reply to this comment    13 September 2004, 20:54 GMT

Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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Sure, but all new programs are going to be compatible and there is no way authors are going to upload them to all FOUR directories. I'd just keep picking the 89 one arbitrarily. So the Titanium directory wouldn't be of much use.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 05:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
PpHd  Account Info
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Not sure. You still can target only the ti-89 (called TI-89 classic inside tigcc) due to limitation of the Titanium. And old programs (except Kernel Programs) are not compatible, except if you use GhostBuster + HW3-Patch.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 06:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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You can drop the "except kernel programs"...
* You need the HW3Patch to be able to even install a kernel (except TitaniK, but you don't like that one, so...).
* You still need to patch them. PreOs 0.70 does it automatically and without asking the user, but it is still patching them. And your patcher doesn't even fix all the compatibility problems GhostBuster fixes, only a very small subset.

Reply to this comment    11 September 2004, 00:04 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
PpHd  Account Info
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Cf news about PreOS 0.70 for more details.

Reply to this comment    13 September 2004, 08:07 GMT


Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
PpHd  Account Info
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Specially since it is a different calculator!
If you read the Product Id of the 68k calculators, you will get:
TI-92+: 1
TI-89 : 3
V200 : 8
Titanium: 9
So it is clear, that the Titanium is not a ti-89 calculator but another one.

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 06:56 GMT

Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
AndySoft  Account Info
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The same holds true for the 83+, 83+SE, 84+, and 84+SE. (At least between the 83+/SE and 84+?SE.)

Reply to this comment    10 September 2004, 12:55 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TI-83 Plus & TI-84 Plus Directories Merged
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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As far as TIGCC is concerned, the Titanium is just a TI-89 HW3.

Rationale: There will be no other TI-89 HW3 (TI has discontinued production of the "classic" 89), so it's a unique identifier (we have a HW_VERSION pseudoconstant even in _nostub mode for quite some time now), and we can't give a non-0 value to CALCULATOR on an 89-family calculator because this would break source compatibility with the tons of programs writing CALCULATOR?foo:bar. Also, the keyboard layout is practically the same between the 89 and the Titanium (the Titanium keyboard has just been distorted by a curve freak, but other than that it's the same), so there is no reason for the typical game or utility to conditionalize on Titanium or not. Launchers or shells will indeed need to conditionalize on HW3, but they should conditionalize on the hardware version, not on the calculator model, in order to accomodate for future HW3 V200-family models.

Reply to this comment    11 September 2004, 00:12 GMT

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