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Olivier Sangala Updates Numerous Games
Posted by Michael on 7 July 2004, 04:25 GMT

[Memory] You may have noticed an unusually large number of TI-89 assembly games uploaded on July 6th. Olivier Sangala has updated many of his simple yet intriguing programs. Memory is similar to the classic board game where you uncover letters one at a time and try to form pairs. There are also the classics Yahtzee and MasterMind, in which you use logic to guess a secret code. You can find several other games on Olivier's author page.

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Re: Olivier Sangala Updates Numerous Games
Tzazak Account Info

These look awesome! I guess I'll have to go get mastermind now. I looked at all the games last night, but somehow I missed Mastermind.

Reply to this comment    7 July 2004, 12:24 GMT

Re: Olivier Sangala Updates Numerous Games
darkhydra21 Account Info

I did notice that...the only one I downloaded was Minesweeper, though. I can also say that they are some of the few that actually work on the TI-89 Titanium (with AMS 3.00 and HW3, which goes without say), so that's a point in my favor.

Reply to this comment    7 July 2004, 20:21 GMT


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Tzazak Account Info

I thought everything was supposed to work with Ti89Ti, but obviously it doesn't. I didn't pay much attention, though, because I just got an 89.

Reply to this comment    7 July 2004, 21:03 GMT


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ExtendeD  Account Info
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With HW3Patch, GhostBuster, ttstart-titanium and TitaniK/Iceberg (all available with the link above), most TI-89 programs should work on TI-89 Titanium.
If you find one that doesn't, please report the problem on that board (TICT message board), we will see what's wrong.

Reply to this comment    7 July 2004, 21:23 GMT

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darkhydra21 Account Info

I had some problems wit the TitaniK and Iceberg, but the HW3 Patch works fine - I already had that installed on the calc.

It seems to me that TI should be trying to get around these problems. They put 2.7 megabytes of Flash ROM into the Titaniums, and even if you put all the Apps they currently have out for the Titanium on it, it wouldn't nearly fill up all that ROM. Wouldn't that mean that TI is trying to advocate programming your own files to use? And if so, why do they constantly make OS versions that must be patched? It just doesn't make sense to me. Of course, I could be wrong...

Hopefully, future OS versions will clear up some of the issues with program compatiblity.

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 00:00 GMT

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Coolv  Account Info

I doubt that.

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 00:53 GMT


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ExtendeD  Account Info

TI don't care about compatibility issues for assembly programs. It is not the first time an OS/HW version breaks everything, and it won't be the last.

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 08:50 GMT


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darkhydra21 Account Info

That's true, but none of the other calculators had a problem with every other program listed in the archives.

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 20:22 GMT


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Coolv  Account Info

Those programs were made for the TI-89.

Reply to this comment    12 July 2004, 00:35 GMT

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W Hibdon  Account Info
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All I have to say is WOW. TI really screwed us over on this update. that is quite a lot just to get a coupple programs to work.

-W-

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 05:21 GMT


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ExtendeD  Account Info

This could have been worse.
- Patch *one time* your OS with HW3Patch
- Install Iceberg instead of PreOS
- Keep ttstart-titanium on your calc and always use it instead of the standard ttstart or the custom launchers
- Patch with GhostBuster the programs than are not (yet) ported
It isn't more annoying than using a V200 with "Voyage 200 Executables Patcher".

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 08:48 GMT

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W Hibdon  Account Info
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And with all these, will ID work? Please tell me yes.

-W-

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 17:04 GMT


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ExtendeD  Account Info

It should work, but I don't know anyone who has tested this yet.
Anyway only HW3Patch will be necessary after I have updated it.

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 20:58 GMT


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W Hibdon  Account Info
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Yes! So long as I don't have to give that program up, I will be making the switch later this year.

-W-

Reply to this comment    9 July 2004, 03:04 GMT


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darkhydra21 Account Info

I couldn't get Iceberg of TitaniK installed on my Titanium. Which files and/or libraries are required? When I ran TitaniK, the program executed and printed "Done" with no apparent changes to my calculator. Iceberg gave me a message about some variable being "wrong" (I can't exactly remember).

The HW3 patch does clear up several problems and allows a lot more of the nostub programs to run.

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 20:25 GMT


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darkhydra21 Account Info

Sorry. That should be "Iceberg OR TitaniK".

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 20:26 GMT


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ExtendeD  Account Info

Iceberg should display "Success!" in a dialog box, and you should be able to run kernel-dependent programs by typing their name in the home screen. I can't found which error message you are talking about.
TitaniK is a launcher that takes the program to run as a string parameter, but may fail to run more programs than Iceberg does.

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 20:57 GMT

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darkhydra21 Account Info

Wow, that's strange. Suddenly Iceberg is working. Thanks!

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 21:36 GMT


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darkhydra21 Account Info

I remember what it was now...I got an error message saying "Update auto-ints." I als receive this message upon running "iceberg()" again, so I mightve just run it twice accidentally.

Reply to this comment    8 July 2004, 21:40 GMT


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darkhydra21 Account Info

On another note, the HW3 patch seems to cause quite a bit of address errors. Is this a direct result of freeing up the I/O space for use?

Reply to this comment    9 July 2004, 01:30 GMT


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ExtendeD  Account Info

This rather comes from a buggy program, or from a program that has not been patched or has been badly patched by GhostBuster. This can also be due to programs using hacks not compatible with AMS 3.00.
Can you give more details on the programs making the calculator crash?

Reply to this comment    9 July 2004, 09:29 GMT


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darkhydra21 Account Info

The programs I am referring to worked perfectly fine before the HW3 patch, Iceberg, or Ghostbuster were used. They included several games (falldown, tetris, etc.) and a couple of the more extensive assembly math programs. After the HW3 patch was installed, these started giving address errors. Ghostbuster worked on some, but not all.

However, about the hacks not being compatible...
Is this because of syntax errors. I know there are parentheses issues between the TI-83+ and the TI-83 with things like sin( showing up as only sin on another calc. I don't know everything about an 89, but most shouldnt most of the calls or functions remain the same, even with a new AMS version? It's not like it was completely redesigned from the ground up. Was it?

Reply to this comment    9 July 2004, 19:26 GMT


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ExtendeD  Account Info

>The programs I am referring to worked perfectly fine before the HW3 patch, Iceberg, or Ghostbuster were used

Interesting. I really doubt the problem comes from HW3Patch. GhostBuster could have patched badly the programs. You can compare the original version and the patched version of the programs at issue. You can also uninstall Iceberg by reseting the calculator (2nd + ON + left + right) after having archived your important data, to see if it can be the source of the problem.

>Ghostbuster worked on some, but not all.

Not all the existing programs need to be patched. This does not always mean that GhostBuster fails to do its job.

>but most shouldnt most of the calls or functions remain the same, even with a new AMS version?

The differences between AMS 3.00 of Titanium calculators and the latest version of the one that exists for the standard TI-89 (AMS 2.09) are minor from an external point of view. The TI-Basic language and functions (used with the Program Editor Application of AMS) are compatible between standard TI-89, TI92 Plus, Voyage 200 and TI-89 Titanium, there are no compatibility issues.
I was talking about hacks used in assembly and C languages, to interact directly with AMS and its internal structure. The internal changes of AMS may interfer with some programs, but such programs that may fail to work on Titanium are in small numbers.

Reply to this comment    9 July 2004, 20:43 GMT


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ti_is_good_++  Account Info

Available for download?

I don't see a link to it there.

Reply to this comment    9 July 2004, 19:37 GMT


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darkhydra21 Account Info

You have to go to the thread "TitaniK and Iceberg - the TITANIum Kernels", then scroll down a bit. First it'll say something like "You can get Titanik here and the relevant libraries here" with the "here"s as a link. Further down, you can find links for Iceberg. The same goes for the HW3 patch and Ghostbuster.

Reply to this comment    9 July 2004, 20:07 GMT


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ti_is_good_++  Account Info

I can find everything but HW3Patch.

Reply to this comment    10 July 2004, 01:10 GMT


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darkhydra21 Account Info
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Go to www.calcgames.org (see link) and scroll down the left-side box until you find the section with "Recent Files" Find the HW3 patch there; it's where i originally found it. Of course, soon it won't be a recent programs...so download it fast.

Reply to this comment    10 July 2004, 08:43 GMT


HW3Patch
ti_is_good_++  Account Info

Thanks.

Reply to this comment    10 July 2004, 12:37 GMT

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