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Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Posted by Magnus on 25 October 1999, 14:24 GMT

As any regular visitor to our site knows, there have recently been a lot of controversy about the comments on our newsboard. In accordance with our site policy, we have deleted comments that we have considered to be in violation of the guidelines or completely off topic. This has rewarded us with everything from "thank you"-notices to being called communists. It has also taken up a lot of valuable time from our staff members.

It was clear that something had to be done about the situation. As we saw it, we had three alternatives. We have tried the first one, are right now trying the second one, and would like to avoid the third one if possible.

The first one was to disable the posting permissions for the people who posted most off-topic or abusive articles (which accounts were affected is not relevant here). Naturally, this was done after multiple warnings to the persons in question. This was done a couple of weeks ago, the result of which each person can evaluate for themselves. The trial was in force around Oct 9th to Oct 19th.

The second one is the one we are trying now. For this two week period, we will no longer delete off-topic posts. We will let any kind of discussion go on. We will still delete articles that are clearly out to disrupt the page layout (such as 10 pages of blank lines), or that can be considered illegal or highly inappropriate (such as pornography links or anything like that). Apart from that, anything goes. Please note that there is no change in our policy as to what we will answer in this. We will still not answer off-topic posts. If you want to get in touch with the staff, use e-mail.
This trial will run from the posting of this article for two weeks, and will close on Nov 7th.

The third option, which we would like to avoid but will have to fall back to unless the situation is resolved, is to turn off the commenting on our news articles. News would continue to be posted, but the user commenting would be disabled. Discussions would be referred to the mailinglists where appropriate. While we think that this would remove value from our site, there is a limit to how much we can provide as a free service, and we have been pushing close to that limit.

Once the current trial is over, on Nov 7th, a survey will be posted, in which we will ask you, our visitors, which way you think we should handle the situation. The survey will be open for one week. This survey will be purely suggestional - we will make the decision based on the result of that survey and based on what we think at that time ourselves. The survey is not decision-binding. However, we can guarantee that the result of the survey (as well as the result of the trial in whole) will have great influence on the decision.

We have been accused (by certain parties, as far as we have noticed it is not a general concern, but we would still like to address it here) of not listening to the voice of our community. We feel that this has not been the case before, and certainly will not be in this case. But as usual, we ask you to send your constructive comments to our staff directly at news@ticalc.org (assuming it is about our news system). We do not constantly monitor our comment board for site suggestions. We do, however, keep all mail we receive to the appropriate mailing addresses, and we take into consideration every idea that is proposed to us.

We regret that the situation has gone as far as it has. Any other suggestions on how to deal with it are very welcome - drop us a mail anytime.

 


The comments below are written by ticalc.org visitors. Their views are not necessarily those of ticalc.org, and ticalc.org takes no responsibility for their content.


Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Jacob Guilbeau  Account Info

well, i think the editors of ticalc.org are missing the point.

this messageboard will never, ever become a mature one. as the people who run this site are no doubt in college, most of the people who access this site are in high school. you have to remember that these people take pleasure in making smart-ass comments. one smart-ass comment every now and then is allright, but you can tell who the real immature ones are by repeatedly using the same smart-ass comment over and over and over again. i think the system you had before with the deletion of inappropriate posts is a fine system to use. it's not communism and it doesn't violate your freedom of speech and anyone smart enough and mature enough to realize that will be the ones who don't post obscene and lewd comments just because they can. like a previous post said, you are a guest. it's about time you started acting like one.

jake

     25 October 1999, 18:26 GMT


Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Actually a good percent of the ticalc.org staff a still in high school. I know for a fact that Nick, Phil, and Eric are still in H.S.

Deleting "smart-ass" comments is one thing, but deleting comments that you simply don't agree with because of a personal problem is another thing. The problem was ticalc.org was deleting comments that really shouldn't have been deleted, and people were getting upset.

And frankly, I wonder whether you even know what communism or free speech is. Based on your writing style, have you passed 5th grade?

     25 October 1999, 18:38 GMT

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Jacob Guilbeau  Account Info

it is understandable that i need to work on my writing style, but no..i am not in fifth grade. i am, in fact, a freshman in college. right now i am in the computer lab waiting for my class to start and i thought i would put in my 2 cents worth.

the college comparision was made because i have obviously no knowledge of the ticalc staff. it was just a guess.

jake

     25 October 1999, 18:54 GMT

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Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Ok, well perhaps you should do a little research on the staff. :)

Are you really a freshmen in college? How did you graduate from high school without learning how to write?

     25 October 1999, 18:59 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Jacob Guilbeau  Account Info

Actually, I recieved an A in English based upon my essay writing skills. I just don't feel it necessary to make a big deal about spell checking or grammatical checking for the message board posts. If, however, my grammer did indeed make it seem like I am a fifth grader, I will try to appear to me more educated, hense the capitalizations.

Jake

     25 October 1999, 19:08 GMT


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Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Yes, your grammer did make you seem like a 5th grader. Thanks for improving. :)

     25 October 1999, 19:12 GMT


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Jacob Guilbeau  Account Info

Not a problem. I do believe, however, that we are contributing to the very problem that has plagued this messageboard and has caused the ticalc.org staff to take action. I suggest we start talking more about what can be done to fix this issue. Man, I hate feeling like a hypocrit.

Jake

     25 October 1999, 19:18 GMT

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barich Account Info

For those of you who are educated college people, grammar is spelled g r a m m a r. Not grammer. And I am a freshman in HS, not college.

     25 October 1999, 22:31 GMT

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án(_)s Account Info

boy you respond to these comments a lot. are you a fith grader?

     25 October 1999, 23:33 GMT


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án(_)s Account Info

boy you respond to these comments a lot. are you a fith grader?

     25 October 1999, 23:33 GMT

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Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

lol

     26 October 1999, 17:10 GMT


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Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

lol

     26 October 1999, 17:11 GMT

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darkness Account Info
(Web Page)

Rabeler, first of all, don't be so prejudice about stuff. Just because the guy isn't the best writer in the world doesn't mean that he can't be in college. Second, chill out on the replies. If I were to count your replies only, there would probably be about 30 or so. Third, no one is perfect, even the mighty Bryan Rabeler. He too gets shot down every once in a while. No, I'm not saying that I disagree with your views, I agree with many of them. There are parts of ticalc that I don't like, and parts that I do like. I notice that many times you are the most talkative person alive, but many times, you have nothing worthwhile to say. So, please, limit your comments to stuff that has to do with the board, as I don't like to see grammar and spelling mistakes being corrected. It makes the load time of this page so much longer, even on a network connection.

Glen

     26 October 1999, 14:42 GMT


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Paul Zeman  Account Info

Must you make a comment to every post, even if you have nothing constructive to say except to criticize writing style, grammar, or spelling? The fact of the matter is, that this IS NOT an English essay. It is a message board for calculators. Despite your inability, I can manage to understand what people are saying even with <GASP> spelling errors, or missed capitalization. Frankly, you are cluttering the board with garbage. Your repeated knit picking clearly demonstrates your immaturity, and makes me wonder how you yourself graduated the 5th grade.

     26 October 1999, 20:35 GMT


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Phil Genera  Account Info
(Web Page)

Just to make my opinion known, I don't believe in the sweeping generalization that people tend to make about the differences in maturity between different grade levels, with one exception. And that exception is the Freshman at Guilford High School. But oh well...
Just felt like making my opinion known :)
--
Phil

     25 October 1999, 21:09 GMT

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Nick Disabato  Account Info
(Web Page)

And you were in high school for two years while working at ticalc.org ;p

--BlueCalx

     25 October 1999, 23:18 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Yeah, I started mid-way through my sophomore year. So what?

     25 October 1999, 23:37 GMT


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Jason Curtis  Account Info

heh..hehe..."And frankly, I wonder whether you even know what communism or free speech is."
i already posted something on this....but, one more time wont hurt. Do YOU know what the difference between free speech and communism is? well, one's an economic system and the other isnt. you SHOULD HAVE learned that in...oh say...10th grade in world history. i better stop now before you question my writing style...

     26 October 1999, 01:35 GMT


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Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Dude, listen to me. :) When most people speak of communism, they are refering to Russia or China. They are not taking the definition of communism that strictly - i.e. - the "ideal communism", which will never exist.

     26 October 1999, 03:07 GMT


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levine  Account Info

When most people speak of communism, they refer to the governmental process in it's ideal form, and not a country.

Levine

     26 October 1999, 03:43 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newsboard Anarchy Trial
Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Fine. I meant the way communism was carried out in Russia, and not the "ideal communism".

     26 October 1999, 04:27 GMT


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Jason Curtis  Account Info

shut up. just shup up now when there might be one or two people that might still think you have any intelligence. gee russia and china. RUSSIA IS A DEMOCRACY!!! FREE-ENTERPRISE!!! China is Socialist! Communisim IS an economic system. the fact that communism is considered a form of government by most people is because most dont have a formal education in the field...like you. Communism can happen...it has happened before. You, Mr. Wizard, ARE thinking of totalitarianism. it is merely a coincidence that communist countries have a totalitarian form of government.

     26 October 1999, 07:35 GMT


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Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Listen dude, when people usually talked about the communist Russia, they do not mean the Russia of today. Russia, in the past few years, has undergone a revolution and overthrew communism. However, we are still refering to the old way they did things.

There has never been a truely communist country that has been successful.

China is communist. If you don't believe me, click my web page link at the top of this comment. Its linked to a CNN story. Now if you think CNN is wrong, then you can think whatever you want. :)

     26 October 1999, 16:14 GMT


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ikecam  Account Info

CNN is wrong. China has a larger number of private bussiness running in it. They have McDonald's and Nike, both of which are forein capitalist companies that would never be allowed to opperate in a Communist country. Like you said, there never has been a truly Communist country, so how could China be one?

Secondly (and this is not directed at you, Bryan), the concepts of free speech and Communism are completely unrelated; the fact that the former Soviet Union and China didn't have free speech says more about their political system than their economic one. Many 3rd world democracies are just as totalitarian and "unfree" as the so-called Communist ones were.

     27 October 1999, 23:05 GMT

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ikecam  Account Info

Sorry, I meant "capitalisms", not "democracies". Sometimes I type too fast.

     27 October 1999, 23:36 GMT


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Erich Oelschlegel  Account Info
(Web Page)

That's quite a typo! :)

~ferich

     28 October 1999, 07:45 GMT

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Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

A country can be communist without being 100% communist, or truely communist. China, I guess you could say, is kind of a mix between communism and capitalism.

And again, I'm not talking about any economic system. I'm talking about the political systems. And while communism may be a purely economic, the fact remains that most people refer to communism as the former Soviet Union, and other similar countries. And that's what I'm refering to. We don't need to turn this thread/comment board into a debate over different economic/political systems.

     28 October 1999, 17:29 GMT


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Bryan Rabeler  Account Info
(Web Page)

Oh, and by the way, I'm sure CNN isn't wrong. CNN doesn't say a country is communist when they aren't. :)

     28 October 1999, 17:31 GMT

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